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Signs in the Sun, moon and Stars

25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.

This is where the third section begins, this is about the end of the age and the signs. These signs begin with signs in the sun, moon and stars. He is not referring to Haley’s comet, or a supernova, simply signs. When you drive down the road you see signs that tell you how far away your destination is. This is what we are seeing. In this blog I provide links to those who go through all the lunar eclipses, solar eclipses and signs in the stars pointing to the Day of the Lord. It seems similar to the “great signs in the heavens” used by false Christs to get followers. The difference between the two is that these signs are prophesied of in both the Old and New Testament. Haley’s comet and the supernova that were both used by these false Christs were also prophesied of in this chapter that they would be used by false Christs. Is it confusing? Not really, the simple solution is to read the word of God, a more sure word of prophesy, that has been confirmed, and that is a light to our path.

Climate Change

On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

What a great prophecy. If you were going to boil down Climate Change to the heart of the issue what do you get? You would think it would be about polar bears, or melting ice. But let’s be real, the nations are not in perplexity about melting ice or polar bears. This term perplexity indicates this big debate we have had for several decades over the science of Climate change and more importantly what if anything we should do about it. The one thing that is spurring us to action is the roaring and tossing of the sea. Increased hurricane activity, bigger hurricanes, more powerful hurricanes and more frequent hurricanes. Not only so but we have been repeatedly told that sea level is rising and how catastrophic that will be. It is strange that some of the biggest proponents of climate change own beach front property. Barack Obama has a $40 million dollar mansion on Martha’s Vineyard. It is almost as though they use the threat of Climate change to drive down the price of the property they want to buy. Still it is undeniable that the nations are in anguish and perplexity over Climate change. This is a sign that the Day of the Lord is upon us.

The Heavenly Bodies will be shaken

26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

There are two ways to look at this word, you can see it as referring to a meteor shower, or a supernova, or some other astronomical sign. In which case it would be a repeat of signs in the sun, moon and stars. Or you can see it as a repeat of great signs in the heavens. Another way to look at this verse is that every nation has angels, the shaking of the heavenly power structure is reflected and expressed on earth when you see the shaking of the earthly governments. Both of these are Biblically valid interpretations. For example, what happened in Afghanistan is the shaking of the power structure of the various nations. Cuomo resigning and Newsom being recalled is a shaking of the heavens. Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell have also caused the heavenly bodies to be shaken. The audit is causing the heavenly bodies to be shaken. All of these events are a fulfillment of this word and the Old Testament prophets go into great detail about these as well as other words from the Lord and the apostles. Many people are “fainting from terror” and are extremely apprehensive about what is taking place and what is coming. On the other hand I believe that what is coming is a meteor shower that will truly shake the heavenly bodies. Satan and the fallen angels will be cast to earth, literally. When that happens the Great Babylon will be burned with fire, stripped naked and devoured by the Beast, the united nations. I give links to about two hours of messages that show from the Bible that the “Great Babylon” refers to the US. There are other links that show that this meteor shower is approaching the earth and that all the leaders of the world know about it. The reason they are acting so weird is that they are fainting from terror and apprehensive about what is coming on the Earth.

Look Up! Your Redemption draws near

27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

At that time refers to the end of the tribulation. The entire seven year period is referred to as “the day of the Lord” and it concludes with the whole world seeing the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. However, when these things “begin to take place” believers should “stand up”. We need to take a stand, we need to stand up and proclaim that the Day of the Lord is at hand. We also need to lift up your heads. For two thousand years Christians did not look at the stars, we were warned about astrology, a form of divination. Astrology is witchcraft, it is sinful, and it is rebellion against God. We have a sure word of prophecy in the Bible, to go to others to divine the future is an insult to the Lord. However, at the end of the age there are signs in the heavens given to us by God. The prophecies mention them and we need to lift up our heads. Our redemption is drawing near both figuratively and literally. Right now I have posted links to bizarre sightings in the heavens of “two suns”. These sightings have taken place all over the world: they showed up on China’s news, Russia, India, the Middle East and the US. We have special satellites that view the sun and they have picked up very clear images of these objects. They are approaching the earth and “our redemption”, the redemption of our bodies, what we call the rapture, will take place at the same time a meteor shower from the tail of this object will be cast to earth. As best we can tell it will be at exactly the four year anniversary of the Revelation 12 sign (evening of September 23, 2021). Yes, it is coming “with great power” and there is nothing that the world can do about it. This object is so great in size that we are completely powerless to do anything about it. However, NASA and perhaps other nations have been working to “cloak” it in clouds and with other technology so that it does not send the earth into a panic and hysteria. We know that they know because of “predictive programming” things that have been encoded into the movies and TV. We know that they are in terror because of the panic they are expressing with this vaccine mandate. They are terrified that this event could knock us back to the stone age, not so bad for farmers, but terrifying to politicians.
 

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Fig Tree Parable

29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees.

Many people ignore the “all the trees” portion of this prophecy. Israel was not the only nation that was reformed after WWI. All of those nations are depicted by national trees whether we are talking about Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. This parable is all about the Middle East and of course Israel in 1948 being reformed as a nation.

30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

This prophecy is quite amazing, when you see this happen you know that the Day of the Lord is near, but in the analogy He calls it “summer”. Two big dates in Israel’s history, May 14, 1948 when the UN in an hour made them a new nation, these dry bones can live, it is considered one of the most amazing prophecies ever. The second big date is when Israel retook Jerusalem in the six day war. The prophecies in Daniel are all about Jerusalem. However, if we look at this chapter the age of the Gentiles begins when the temple is destroyed and they are able to trample it. The age will end when the Temple is rebuilt.

32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Some argue that “this generation” refers to the generation that was listening to Him at the time, others argue that “this generation” refers to the generation when Israel was reformed which puts a 70-80 year time frame on the completion of all things. I am going to argue that it is both. In this chapter the Lord spoke a word to those who were there that the Temple would be destroyed, that they would be arrested and give testimony before kings, etc. All of that was fulfilled. He also gave a prophecy concerning Israel being reformed (and all the trees) and that also has been fulfilled along with all these other prophecies about wars, climate change, the powers of heaven being shaken, and the approach of our redemption being something we can see if we look up.

Pray that you may be able to escape and to stand before the Son of Man

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

This is the key point. You don’t need to pray that you will know all the eschatology or that you will know all the prophecies or even that you will see the day approaching. What you need to pray for is that you may be able to escape and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man. Those are the two most important things. Will He say “well done thou good and faithful servant”?
 

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So are you going to vaccinate your pets as well? Though the cdc, which is propaganda says it’s a “low” chance pets can carry it, all the same they can. This is where I draw my line in the sand. You should get the new micro chip the DOD just came out with, it’s only used to let you know you have covid. Trust in the government, not god.
 

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It seems completely unreasonable to include children 19 and under as they have almost no risk at all from the virus and for most of them there isn't even a vaccine.

Also, now that it has been shown scientifically, that those who have survived the virus have a far more robust immune response to Covid than those who have been vaccinated they also should be included in any assessment of "herd immunity". That is why I don't give any credence to 49%.
Your information about COVID Survivors having a greater immune response to COVID than those that have been vaccinated is not what the entire scientific body as a whole is stating. I don't know what you are reading but there have been recent scientific publications showing that Survivors who also get vaccinated have the best immune response of anyone. Check this out:


Shots give COVID-19 survivors big immune boost, studies show
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-ad52011f4ca1853fad6eee41a7310c2e

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

This scientific study seems to contradict whatever it was that you heard was "scientific." I don't know what you read, but you should at least compare it with this study to see which one followed what is considered acceptable "scientific study" rules.
 

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The "vaccine mandates" ,vaxers,antivaxers ect. probably wont be of any consequence by this time next year anyway because of the "MU" mutation(Colombia,Ecuador ect.) which is already spreading. So(not sure if anyone's heard of it yet) but the MU mutation is going right through the antibodies of those vaccinated and those with natural antibodies(prior infection) so the vaccine cards,mandates ect. wont mean a thing in a year or so because everyone(vaccinated or not) will catch it.
Interesting.
Thanks for the update.
Here is what I found on Health.com
What is the Mu variant, exactly?
The Mu variant was first identified in Colombia in January 2021, according to the WHO. Since that time, there have been some scattered cases, as well as reports of larger outbreaks, around the world, including in other areas of South America, the UK, Europe, the US, and Hong Kong.


As a variant of interest, Mu has "a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape" according to the weekly bulletin from the WHO. In addition, variants of interest are defined as those that have genetic changes that are known to (or are predicted to) affect certain virus characteristics, including disease severity, immune escape, diagnostic or therapeutic escape, and transmissibility, and have been "identified to cause significant community transmission or multiple COVID-19 clusters, in multiple countries with increasing relative prevalence alongside increasing number of cases over time, or other apparent epidemiological impacts to suggest an emerging risk to global public health," according to the WHO. However, the organization also says more research is needed to fully understand Mu and what it's capable of.
How worried should you be about the Mu variant?
This particular variant isn't as widespread at the moment as many other that are listed as "of interest." According to data from the WHO bulletin, it currently makes up less than 0.1% of COVID-19 infections in the world, though rates are higher in certain countries, including Colombia (where it accounts for 39% of cases) and Ecuador (13%).
Worth noting, however: Mu is currently not on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's list of variants of interest or variants of concern, at least for the time being.

"It's not very concerning at the present time," William Schaffner, MD, an infectious disease specialist and professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, tells Health. He points out that Mu was first detected in January of this year and is only now being named a variant of interest. "Researchers are still assessing how quickly it spreads and what its level of contagiousness is," he says. "It's interesting that it's even reached the level of becoming a variant of interest [with the WHO]."

Infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security agrees that there's no reason to panic over Mu at the moment. " People should not be so worried about this variant," he tells Health. "Variants are continuously being generated."
Dr. Adalja also doesn't think that Mu will overtake the Delta variant. "It's unlikely that it is more fit than Delta and will be able to overtake it," he says.
How to protect yourself from the Mu variant
Again, the Mu variant doesn't seem to be a huge issue in the US at the moment, where the Delta variant currently causes 99.1% of all COVID-19 cases. The best way to protect yourself from Mu is essentially the same as how you'd protect yourself against other variants, Richard Watkins, MD, an infectious disease physician and professor of internal medicine at the Northeast Ohio Medical University, tells Health.

According to Watkins, that means getting fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and following guidelines regarding booster shots. It's also important to wash your hands frequently and wear a mask in indoor areas with moderate or high levels of COVID-19 spread. And, if you can, Dr. Watkins recommends that you "avoid crowds."
 

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So are you going to vaccinate your pets as well? Though the cdc, which is propaganda says it’s a “low” chance pets can carry it, all the same they can. This is where I draw my line in the sand. You should get the new micro chip the DOD just came out with, it’s only used to let you know you have covid. Trust in the government, not god.
Carrying it and dying from it are two different things. We know that the vaccinated can still carry it. But they are not likely to die from it or even get sick. Vaccination saves you from getting sick or dying not from carrying it. Your dog is not on the radar. I don't think we are seeing wide spread dog deaths from COVID. We don't really care if they carry it. The unvaccinated might need to care. Like don't be kissing you dog full in the mouth. I always though that was pretty gross even without COVID risks but dog lovers are ok with it so I will let that go. :)
 

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I don't mind sharing the information here, I don't like to be rude and hijack a thread, but if you insist and as long as no one objects I have no issue with that.
Did you plan for Y2K? I was just a teen when that happened and remember there were tons of people similar to you who were so convinced of everything shutting down.

Interesting enough, they first called "Y2K" "CDC"... Century Date Change.
 

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Did you plan for Y2K? I was just a teen when that happened and remember there were tons of people similar to you who were so convinced of everything shutting down.

Interesting enough, they first called "Y2K" "CDC"... Century Date Change.
no
 

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Interesting.
Thanks for the update.
Here is what I found on Health.com
What is the Mu variant, exactly?
The Mu variant was first identified in Colombia in January 2021, according to the WHO. Since that time, there have been some scattered cases, as well as reports of larger outbreaks, around the world, including in other areas of South America, the UK, Europe, the US, and Hong Kong.


As a variant of interest, Mu has "a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape" according to the weekly bulletin from the WHO. In addition, variants of interest are defined as those that have genetic changes that are known to (or are predicted to) affect certain virus characteristics, including disease severity, immune escape, diagnostic or therapeutic escape, and transmissibility, and have been "identified to cause significant community transmission or multiple COVID-19 clusters, in multiple countries with increasing relative prevalence alongside increasing number of cases over time, or other apparent epidemiological impacts to suggest an emerging risk to global public health," according to the WHO. However, the organization also says more research is needed to fully understand Mu and what it's capable of.
How worried should you be about the Mu variant?
This particular variant isn't as widespread at the moment as many other that are listed as "of interest." According to data from the WHO bulletin, it currently makes up less than 0.1% of COVID-19 infections in the world, though rates are higher in certain countries, including Colombia (where it accounts for 39% of cases) and Ecuador (13%).
Worth noting, however: Mu is currently not on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's list of variants of interest or variants of concern, at least for the time being.

"It's not very concerning at the present time," William Schaffner, MD, an infectious disease specialist and professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, tells Health. He points out that Mu was first detected in January of this year and is only now being named a variant of interest. "Researchers are still assessing how quickly it spreads and what its level of contagiousness is," he says. "It's interesting that it's even reached the level of becoming a variant of interest [with the WHO]."

Infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security agrees that there's no reason to panic over Mu at the moment. " People should not be so worried about this variant," he tells Health. "Variants are continuously being generated."
Dr. Adalja also doesn't think that Mu will overtake the Delta variant. "It's unlikely that it is more fit than Delta and will be able to overtake it," he says.
How to protect yourself from the Mu variant
Again, the Mu variant doesn't seem to be a huge issue in the US at the moment, where the Delta variant currently causes 99.1% of all COVID-19 cases. The best way to protect yourself from Mu is essentially the same as how you'd protect yourself against other variants, Richard Watkins, MD, an infectious disease physician and professor of internal medicine at the Northeast Ohio Medical University, tells Health.

According to Watkins, that means getting fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and following guidelines regarding booster shots. It's also important to wash your hands frequently and wear a mask in indoor areas with moderate or high levels of COVID-19 spread. And, if you can, Dr. Watkins recommends that you "avoid crowds."

Yep that's the one. After seeing here on CC suggestions that the vaccines were causing the mutations it made me wonder(you know maybe right?) so I began looking back into the news for when and where the variants/mutations first came about i.e https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...1/25/covid-variants/?itid=lk_inline_manual_12 Anyway it seems that the ones presently spreading were from late 2020 or early 2021 "prior to the vaccines" and are the virus mutating it's self. https://www.paho.org/en/news/1-3-20...irst-vaccines-arriving-americas-through-covax
 

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Yep that's the one. After seeing here on CC suggestions that the vaccines were causing the mutations it made me wonder(you know maybe right?) so I began looking back into the news for when and where the variants/mutations first came about i.e https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...1/25/covid-variants/?itid=lk_inline_manual_12 Anyway it seems that the ones presently spreading were from late 2020 or early 2021 "prior to the vaccines" and are the virus mutating it's self. https://www.paho.org/en/news/1-3-20...irst-vaccines-arriving-americas-through-covax
To my understanding the "vaccines" do not cause the mutations. A corona virus mutates rapidly, with every single person that is infected. That is why we have never attempted to have a vaccine for the common cold. What the "vaccines" are doing is creating an environment that favors certain mutations. The vaccine gives a strong immune response to a specific feature on the initial virus, if it mutates so that it doesn't have that feature then that new virus will be favored because those who have been vaccinated will not be protected against it and actually their natural immunity will have been weakened.
 

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10% of Chicago bus drivers quit over vaccine mandates and CPS is paying big bucks to get kids to school.


I talked to a few teachers in my area (Oregon west coast) and they're planning on quitting if the jab is pushed, too. Gonna lose a lot of teachers, bus drivers, and health care workers over these mandates.

Hopefully if enough people call their bluff and QUIT, the mandates will suddenly disappear...
 

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To my understanding the "vaccines" do not cause the mutations. A corona virus mutates rapidly, with every single person that is infected. That is why we have never attempted to have a vaccine for the common cold. What the "vaccines" are doing is creating an environment that favors certain mutations. The vaccine gives a strong immune response to a specific feature on the initial virus, if it mutates so that it doesn't have that feature then that new virus will be favored because those who have been vaccinated will not be protected against it and actually their natural immunity will have been weakened.

Yes I agree,,,in the links I gave each of the mutations appeared before the vaccine was created or given to anyone so it could not have been it's cause. That though might not only apply to the vaccinated that is in New York and parts of Europe a mutation spread referred to as "G"(D614G) at the begging of the pandemic. We know how bad it was from what happened in France,Spain,Italy, NY ect. but does the antibodies from it protect those who caught it from Delta? https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...1/25/covid-variants/?itid=lk_inline_manual_12
 

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10% of Chicago bus drivers quit over vaccine mandates and CPS is paying big bucks to get kids to school.


I talked to a few teachers in my area (Oregon west coast) and they're planning on quitting if the jab is pushed, too. Gonna lose a lot of teachers, bus drivers, and health care workers over these mandates.

Hopefully if enough people call their bluff and QUIT, the mandates will suddenly disappear...
This is what the Bible means by "the restrainer". Once the rapture takes place they will be taken out of the way and then there will not be anymore resistance to the globalists and their "new born leader" the antichrist.
 

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Luke 12: 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not have left his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:28 But learn the parable from the fig-tree: when its branch already becomes tender and puts forth the leaves, ye know that the summer is near. 29 Thus also *ye*, when ye see these things happening, know that it is near, at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall in no wise pass away, till all these things take place. 31 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall in no wise pass away. 32 But of that day or of that hour no one knows, neither the angels who are in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; 33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that [n]he is nigh, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, [o]neither the Son, but the Father only.

1. I think we can make sense out of this timeline for the tribulation and the pre-tribulation rapture. First think I would point out is that the verse which says "no one knows the day or the hour" is not in Luke, it is only in Mark and Matthew. I subscribe to the theory that Luke is written specifically to those who are in the pre-tribulation rapture. Mark is for those who are raptured out of the tribulation and Matthew is for the rapture of the nation of Israel.

2. I also believe that this expression "no one knows the day or the hour" refers to the Feast of Trumpets. However, it does not refer to the rapture. For the gospel of Mark and Matthew it refers to the start of the tribulation.

So based on this I believe the Tribulation, the seven years, starts on the Feast of Trumpets. The Pre-Tribulation rapture takes place prior to this "at an hour that you think not". This is not the feast of trumpets. Instead, at night a thief is coming and you should be watching. Not everyone is a night watchman but for those that are they should be on duty and should see that this thief is coming.

But, the Feast of Trumpets announces the coming of the king. Surely that would be an alert for all of God's people regardless of when they are raptured. Sure enough, there are ten days after the Feast of Trumpets before you have Atonement. I believe this refers to the last ten years, the great tribulation is simply the last seven. The Feast of Trumpets that begins this ten year period took place on September 23, 2017 at the time of the Revelation 12 sign. This kicked off this final 10 years. There is overwhelming evidence to support this assertion. Therefore I would suggest that the tribulation begins October 8, 2021, which is the Feast of Trumpets (I believe that the Torah calendar is off a month and that the Feast of Trumpets has to be after the Autumnal Equinox). I also believe that prior to this event you will have the war that Ezekiel prophesied about in Ezekiel 38. Basically Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and Turkey will make an alliance, a few other islamic nations will join and they will attack Israel. They will have 60 million men and God will fight and destroy this army. That is about 5 weeks away. Prior to that event we will have the rapture. I estimate tens of millions of Christians will be raptured from around the world, but I think it will be less than 100 million. Also the graves will be opened as well and saints from the entire church age will be raptured. At this point I think the main reason we are witnessing is so that after the rapture all those who know us will know what has happened.

So then, when is the rapture? It is at an hour that the majority of Christians "think not". However there are some signs. Jeremiah (I believe this prophet directs his prophecy to those who are left behind after the rapture) says "the summer is past and we are not saved". I think this sentiment is expressed by those who are left behind. The summer is past the day after the Equinox. The equinox is September 22, 2021. That would suggest that this sentiment is September 23rd, however, summer is not past for the entire earth unless it is September 23rd over the whole globe and it is therefore likely that in some places it will already be September 24th.

There is another clue,

Luke 21:28 But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

This clue is in Luke which is written to those who are raptured before the tribulation. If we look up we will see that something very strange is happening in the heavens. There is a planet that has a very odd orbit and is going to cross our orbit. There is a long string of debris (asteroids) following this planet and the Earth will pass through this "tail". This is the tail of the Dragon that is cast to the Earth that Revelation 12 refers to. This event is going to take place September 23 and 24 (depending on your time zone, for the East coast it is a little after 1 am on September 24th). The Earth will be bombarded with a meteor shower which will be horrific, particularly for the US. The US is the Great Babylon and this is the judgement that is prophesied that it will come in one hour, that she will be burned with fire, stripped naked and devoured by the beast (UN). All the merchants of the world will mourn saying "who will buy our stuff". The US is the biggest consumer in the world. With the US as a superpower gone both Israel and Taiwan will feel they are now naked to attack. At this time the 3 Gorges dam will collapse flooding the Yangtze river basin, an area where 500 million people live and the industrial heartland of China. With this destroyed China will give their backing to the UN but will be unable to project their power on the global stage. At this time Russia and North Korea will destroy the US nuclear missile silos with ballistic missiles. After the USSR collapsed our biggest fear was that the nukes would fall into the hands of the terrorists, well Russia and the UN will have the same fear of the US once our economy collapses. This will leave Russia allied with the Islamic nations as the "superpower" and to solidify that status they will attack Israel as prophesied in Ezekiel 38. God will destroy their army. That will leave Europe as the one and only superpower with the Antichrist as the recognized leader. The antichrist will now be free to make a peace treaty with Israel based on their victory over Russia and the Islamic alliance and that will be the beginning of the great tribulation.
 
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Luke 12: 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not have left his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:28 But learn the parable from the fig-tree: when its branch already becomes tender and puts forth the leaves, ye know that the summer is near. 29 Thus also *ye*, when ye see these things happening, know that it is near, at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall in no wise pass away, till all these things take place. 31 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall in no wise pass away. 32 But of that day or of that hour no one knows, neither the angels who are in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.
Matthew 24:32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; 33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that [n]he is nigh, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, [o]neither the Son, but the Father only.

1. I think we can make sense out of this timeline for the tribulation and the pre-tribulation rapture. First think I would point out is that the verse which says "no one knows the day or the hour" is not in Luke, it is only in Mark and Matthew. I subscribe to the theory that Luke is written specifically to those who are in the pre-tribulation rapture. Mark is for those who are raptured out of the tribulation and Matthew is for the rapture of the nation of Israel.

2. I also believe that this expression "no one knows the day or the hour" refers to the Feast of Trumpets. However, it does not refer to the rapture. For the gospel of Mark and Matthew it refers to the start of the tribulation.

So based on this I believe the Tribulation, the seven years, starts on the Feast of Trumpets. The Pre-Tribulation rapture takes place prior to this "at an hour that you think not". This is not the feast of trumpets. Instead, at night a thief is coming and you should be watching. Not everyone is a night watchman but for those that are they should be on duty and should see that this thief is coming.

But, the Feast of Trumpets announces the coming of the king. Surely that would be an alert for all of God's people regardless of when they are raptured. Sure enough, there are ten days after the Feast of Trumpets before you have Atonement. I believe this refers to the last ten years, the great tribulation is simply the last seven. The Feast of Trumpets that begins this ten year period took place on September 23, 2017 at the time of the Revelation 12 sign. This kicked off this final 10 years. There is overwhelming evidence to support this assertion. Therefore I would suggest that the tribulation begins October 8, 2021, which is the Feast of Trumpets (I believe that the Torah calendar is off a month and that the Feast of Trumpets has to be after the Autumnal Equinox). I also believe that prior to this event you will have the war that Ezekiel prophesied about in Ezekiel 38. Basically Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and Turkey will make an alliance, a few other islamic nations will join and they will attack Israel. They will have 60 million men and God will fight and destroy this army. That is about 5 weeks away. Prior to that event we will have the rapture. I estimate tens of millions of Christians will be raptured from around the world, but I think it will be less than 100 million. Also the graves will be opened as well and saints from the entire church age will be raptured. At this point I think the main reason we are witnessing is so that after the rapture all those who know us will know what has happened.

So then, when is the rapture? It is at an hour that the majority of Christians "think not". However there are some signs. Jeremiah (I believe this prophet directs his prophecy to those who are left behind after the rapture) says "the summer is past and we are not saved". I think this sentiment is expressed by those who are left behind. The summer is past the day after the Equinox. The equinox is September 22, 2021. That would suggest that this sentiment is September 23rd, however, summer is not past for the entire earth unless it is September 23rd over the whole globe and it is therefore likely that in some places it will already be September 24th.

There is another clue,

Luke 21:28 But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

This clue is in Luke which is written to those who are raptured before the tribulation. If we look up we will see that something very strange is happening in the heavens. There is a planet that has a very odd orbit and is going to cross our orbit. There is a long string of debris (asteroids) following this planet and the Earth will pass through this "tail". This is the tail of the Dragon that is cast to the Earth that Revelation 12 refers to. This event is going to take place September 23 and 24 (depending on your time zone, for the East coast it is a little after 1 am on September 24th). The Earth will be bombarded with a meteor shower which will be horrific, particularly for the US. The US is the Great Babylon and this is the judgement that is prophesied that it will come in one hour, that she will be burned with fire, stripped naked and devoured by the beast (UN). All the merchants of the world will mourn saying "who will buy our stuff". The US is the biggest consumer in the world. With the US as a superpower gone both Israel and Taiwan will feel they are now naked to attack. At this time the 3 Gorges dam will collapse flooding the Yangtze river basin, an area where 500 million people live and the industrial heartland of China. With this destroyed China will give their backing to the UN but will be unable to project their power on the global stage. At this time Russia and North Korea will destroy the US nuclear missile silos with ballistic missiles. After the USSR collapsed our biggest fear was that the nukes would fall into the hands of the terrorists, well Russia and the UN will have the same fear of the US once our economy collapses. This will leave Russia allied with the Islamic nations as the "superpower" and to solidify that status they will attack Israel as prophesied in Ezekiel 38. God will destroy their army. That will leave Europe as the one and only superpower with the Antichrist as the recognized leader. The antichrist will now be free to make a peace treaty with Israel based on their victory over Russia and the Islamic alliance and that will be the beginning of the great tribulation.
Stop it's inside u not out there!All that hurts a person is with in.It's using your pride & desire to know to separate u from god.
 

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This clue is in Luke which is written to those who are raptured before the tribulation. If we look up we will see that something very strange is happening in the heavens. There is a planet that has a very odd orbit and is going to cross our orbit. There is a long string of debris (asteroids) following this planet and the Earth will pass through this "tail". This is the tail of the Dragon that is cast to the Earth that Revelation 12 refers to. This event is going to take place September 23 and 24 (depending on your time zone, for the East coast it is a little after 1 am on September 24th). The Earth will be bombarded with a meteor shower which will be horrific, particularly for the US. The US is the Great Babylon and this is the judgement that is prophesied that it will come in one hour, that she will be burned with fire, stripped naked and devoured by the beast (UN).
And you believe all this will happen in the next 30 days. Well I'll say one thing you might be in for a big reality check very soon and if you're wrong I'd hope it'd bring you to a place where you'll know you've been had. That is you'll learn that you can't get too definite and extreme in insisting things must take place a certain way. You'll also know that this thing you've been believing about a wandering planet was really a bunch of nonsense. I won't make light of you if you find you were wrong but will just want you to know that perhaps you need to take a more relaxed way of thinking about the Lord's return . I believe he's coming back and probably in this generation but I don't seek to set dates. Let's talk about this in a month.
 
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