poll can a person still come out of hell. mutiple votes allowed

[Pilgrimshope]

Everyone is going to be resurrected even those in hell to face eternal judgement

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭

hell then becomes part of the eternal judgement

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hell is for the time until the resurrection it’s where the wicked go to await judgement. But yes even those in hell will rise to face judgement. Then one has to decide whether eternal jidgement means you are sniffed out and enter eternal rest or does it mean those who serve Satan in the world end up here

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;

and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it isn’t a pleasant thought but it seems as if there is eternal
Life here in the kingdom of promise

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or eternity can be spent here

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only real question is eternal
Punishment to be taken from existence and have everlasting rest ? Or is eternal
Punishment to spend eternity bearing the fruits of Satan and his angels who served him rather than God ?

to me ( just my own thinking from what scripture says ) both the righteous and wicked will be raised up from death and they will spend eternity in one place or the other

 

[Gardenias]

Everyone is going to be resurrected even those in hell to face eternal judgement

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭

hell then becomes part of the eternal judgement

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hell is for the time until the resurrection it’s where the wicked go to await judgement. But yes even those in hell will rise to face judgement. Then one has to decide whether eternal jidgement means you are sniffed out and enter eternal rest or does it mean those who serve Satan in the world end up here

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;

and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it isn’t a pleasant thought but it seems as if there is eternal
Life here in the kingdom of promise

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or eternity can be spent here

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only real question is eternal
Punishment to be taken from existence and have everlasting rest ? Or is eternal
Punishment to spend eternity bearing the fruits of Satan and his angels who served him rather than God ?

to me ( just my own thinking from what scripture says ) both the righteous and wicked will be raised up from death and they will spend eternity in one place or the other

Rev.20 goes on to say they were cast LIVE into the lake of fire!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Rev.20 goes on to say they were cast LIVE into the lake of fire!

yes I think people have the wrong idea about Gods intentions towards us. He isn’t saying “ I will throw you into hell if you don’t obey me “

he’s rather just telling man the truth about the afterlife in order that if we believe we will avoid going there. He’s trying to save us from that place that exists and was created to punish spiritual evil this evil Has existed since creation and the lake of fire has been part of the plan all along seperating light and dark .

God isn’t threatening us with punishment , he’s telling us the truth so we can avoid that terrible place. His Will is that we repent and live with him forever in his kingdom but it’s just the truth spirit is eternal so in order for eternity to be good as it will be without evil there must be a place to seperate evil out forever

everything Gods word says is meant for us to believe and respond to so we don’t die in our sins and be trapped where we don’t want to go he’s our savior our Loving father he’s explaining it so we believe and avoid at all cost ending up with the enemy in the lake of fire

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone is going to be resurrected even those in hell to face eternal judgement

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭

hell then becomes part of the eternal judgement

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hell is for the time until the resurrection it’s where the wicked go to await judgement. But yes even those in hell will rise to face judgement. Then one has to decide whether eternal jidgement means you are sniffed out and enter eternal rest or does it mean those who serve Satan in the world end up here

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;

and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it isn’t a pleasant thought but it seems as if there is eternal
Life here in the kingdom of promise

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or eternity can be spent here

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only real question is eternal
Punishment to be taken from existence and have everlasting rest ? Or is eternal
Punishment to spend eternity bearing the fruits of Satan and his angels who served him rather than God ?

to me ( just my own thinking from what scripture says ) both the righteous and wicked will be raised up from death and they will spend eternity in one place or the other

Um no

A believer is ressurected by christ

death and hades are delivered to Christ

 

[justbyfaith]

I wouldn't bank on it personally; but there is the possibility that those who have never heard the gospel (and perhaps even those who have heard) will be given an opportunity to receive their judge at the time of the GWT judgment.

I think however, that many, although given the opportunity, will continue to reject Christ even as they did in life.

They will have become set in their ways.

They will find that they cannot repent even though they want to.

Because they didn't do it in life, they will have created in themselves a disposition of rejection of Christ and the gospel.

And they will continue down the same path that they did in life.

But the fact that they will be given opportunity will make them all the more accountable.

(see 1 Peter 4:6).

 

[Jocund]

Hades is not hell

And no believer goes to hades. They go to paradise.

Hades is delievered to Christ for judgment. Nor raised by him for life

KJV is an example that translates Hades as "hell".

"No believer goes to Hades"

Do you have a scriptural basis for this?

Hades as a place doesn't seem to be "judged", it just gets cast into the Lake of Fire. The creed speak of Jesus descending into Hades and then rising again on the third day. If you were talking about the inhabitants of Hades not being resurrected to life, do you have a scriptural basis for that?

 

[Jocund]

Um no

A believer is ressurected by christ

death and hades are delivered to Christ

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." - John 5:29 KJV

 

[de-emerald]

sin is not an eternal punishment

rejection of Christ is

You seem to be confused. Or at the least your confused us.

I think Like Angela said, you have an issue with the gospel

Your trying to escape hell. Your not trying to become Gods child. Your thinking of self. Not God. What can you do to escape hell?

The answer with nothing.

I supposei i have your brain cells to. or i must be a walking punch bag. sir your the one who claimed you where escaping hell not me.

 

[de-emerald]

Can a person come out of Hell? Yes, most Christians would agree that Christ descended into hell (Hades) and on the third day rose again. Also, everyone in hell (Hades) is pulled out on the day of judgement. No one is in Hades forever.

I assume the question was really intended to be: Can a person be sent to hell and find Christ (find salvation) before the judgement?

Hades (hell)? maybe.

Lake of Fire (hell), after the judgement? No.

Some editions of the bible including the KJV don't always make an effort to differentiate between Hades and the Lake of Fire. This can be lead to misconceptions about what scripture actually says.

It is possible that one's fate is sealed at death. The phrase 'first comes death, then judgement' comes up from time to time in these conversations. Some will interpret that it is implied to mean judgement is sealed at the moment of death, others will interpret this simply as a description of chronology and that it is still possible for any conscious mind to find Christ before the judgement.

To my knowledge, scripture never explicitly says that people in the rich man's part of Hades can't reach out to Christ and find salvation. But even then a possibility is not a guarantee. If there was a narrow door for those in Hades, it doesn't mean that many would find it. And it seems to be the case that one's location in Hades is more or less permanent until the day of judgement (the rich man can't cross the divide). After months of talking about this in a different thread, I believe that both interpretations (doomed at death vs. God can save dead people too) are consistent with scripture by themselves.

I personally don't find the doomed at death interpretation to be compelling, as salvation after death could just be another tool in God's toolbox for saving individuals. God works in mysterious ways. Who are we to rule out what God may do?

We see in scripture that even dead people that are saved are subject to remorse and burdensome negative emotions prior to the purification. Being saved and on the path to New Jerusalem isn't painless.

The big cultural issue with this subject is how we respect the dead. In the RCC for instance, for a very long time it was held that suicide was an irredeemable (mortal) sin that would destine one for eternal hellfire. The place of one's burial alongside family would be revoked because they were no longer considered in good standing with the church. Even if they had lived a virtuous Christian life as a loving neighbour right up until the end, the sentiment was that "they are worthless" and that they would never find peace in death. The RCC changed their stance on the subject of suicide in recent history to simply say God works in mysterious ways and it is for God to judge the matter. There is some danger of disturbing the peace between believers by making formulaic and unnecessary claims about who ends up in hell and how the mechanics of hell and salvation work (beyond what scripture actually says). For that reason alone I believe it is fruitful to reject the concept that 'those that enter hell are necessary forever unsaved.'

Hi thank you for sharing, Your most welcome here i have given your post quite a bit of thought. There are many ideas and thoughts that are of interest to me. I had a dream and in the dream i was holding a book in my hand and reading it. It as quite a big book. I like what the book said and then there was a part in the book that said you are here to be judged.

Then i looked up with concern i appeared to be in a giant circular room, the ceiling was dome shaped it was like the walls were made of light but looked like stone. I could see my self in the room stood right in the middle there was alter behind me.



Then i looked to the right and i noticed windows that were in the shape of arches (church windows) but the frames were like no other i had seen before they were a beautiful bronze colour light with patterns.

The middle of the window started to catch my attention it went pure white it was like it had just been filled with milk and i could sense this presence looking at me from it or behind it.



Then i looked in front of me and there were 3 rows of pews (benches) to the right and 3 rows of pews to the left. i looked to the top row of the left and there was this man sat there who's eyes were just so blue, and after we locked eyes on each other i felt at peace because i felt like he was a saint for some reason. His eyes were just so pure. Then all of a sudden these two beings walked in between the two pews which were right in front me and sat to the left.. i can only describe them as celestial beings looking more like light than flesh. One was coloured omega amethyst and the other gold. They were not human but did have human characteristics in body and face.



We locked eyes the one on the left omega appeared to be female she kinda smiled at me in here eyes. The one to the right in gold appeared to be male. He was a bit more stern looking at me and said could you look to the window to your right. I felt that i should obey his authority. And so i did



So i did. Then all of a sudden the window i was looking at it started to glow different colours of white. Then it was like the window opened up and there was this presence and these colours of what looked like looking into space, at first i thought and it all seemed to be now looking at me. Lights of white and blues and sparks and blinks of jewels in what looked like big open space started to swirl around from behind the window and get closer to me. Then all of a sudden the top of the window there were three lights that went in sequence kinda like a traffic light but bronze colour all three. Then there was big giant spark of blue that glowed in the background through the window.. I was not able to turn away i thought and had to look was what i felt. Then the presence became so strong and so powerful i felt and saw something that i just knew was God. I knew that i had to accept this power and that what ever Judgment there was for me that would be final as that was what the boom said at the beginning of the dream.



Then as i gazed into the light and the space, there was this beautiful flash of blue sapphire that also flashed inside me. Then it stopped and there was a beautiful sky behind the window, and i felt welcome.. I was then able to turn away from the window and everyone was gone, then this voice spoke from the window saying your OK, and you're now free to go. Then in front of me a door opened and i walked out into what looked like a beautiful kingdom of roads and walls of light everywhere. I woke up and the next day i was directed to scripture by what i now know to be an angel who keeps taking me to scripture to see passages that said i was taken to the great white throne room and that i should be reassured that i will not be going to hell.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

KJV is an example that translates Hades as "hell".

"No believer goes to Hades"

Do you have a scriptural basis for this?

Hades as a place doesn't seem to be "judged", it just gets cast into the Lake of Fire. The creed speak of Jesus descending into Hades and then rising again on the third day. If you were talking about the inhabitants of Hades not being resurrected to life, do you have a scriptural basis for that?

Abraham went to paradise

Jesus told the thief, today you will be in paradise with me

Hades is a temporary resting place of the dead. Paradise is a temporary resting placed of the “spiritually” alive yet physically dead”

in rev 20 death and hades are delivered to christ. Then death and hades are cast into the lake of fire.

No one survives the great white throne judgment.

A believer is ressurected by Christ to be with him for all eternity

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." - John 5:29 KJV

Again, Rev 20 says they are delivered to christ.

Its not the same ressurection.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I supposei i have your brain cells to. or i must be a walking punch bag. sir your the one who claimed you where escaping hell not me.

Sin is not a punishment.

I am saved or rescued from death by Christ because of his work

No one, who enters hell will get out of hell. Period.

 

[de-emerald]

What's interesting to me, is that the Greek word used for "pulling them" out of the fire in Jude 1:23 is the same word used for "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Jude 1:23
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

That is interesting between your thoughts and @Jocund and something what @Angela53510 said it seems that there is some or could be some place of purification that everyone goes to.. but is not one side also refered to as abrahams bussom ? and what does that mean exactly ?

 

[Angela53510]

This is your oppinion. but quite a presumptous one. It may have been better if you said could you allow me to share my beliefs. but im sure you do have this star quaility anyhow.

do you believe everyone will go to hell first before heaven ?


I believe you are miss not understanding scripture in full here flower.. the punishement of hell has nothing to do with escaping, once this punisment is dished out that is where you will go.. my question is something you are miss understanding...my question is can punishement in hell not be forever.. but this by no means talking about escaping hell.


Well this is a good point Jesus did and would still do which is more to the point.. That when Jesus died for the UnGodly sinner it means they where dead in the spirit when he died for them.. The sinners he died for where all dead in the spirit and on there way to hell. This is the whole Gospel that there will also be sinners in hell who are dead in the spirit just as there are now alive in the body. Does Jesus need to die for them again ? well no but punishement does have to be served and reguardless of the cicrcumstances that is what will happen. but surely thiefing an apple should not be eternal hell for ever and ever and ever should it ?.. now you could say that is different but i say no,, not when it comes to what is written.. it says you thiefs will burn in hell. And then the argument could be well you had chance to repent.. well that is still a sin to not repenting that is,, the bible says the only sin that is unforgiven is blasphomy against the holy spirit...it doesnt say not repenting is unforgiven

How much more shall we be saved from Gods wrath ?.. well thats the trouble with some peoples lack of understanding.. Jesus still dies over and over again and so do his children.. Again thos can we use this scripture to say there is no way out of hell, because as we see here wrath happens to many who are a live in the body to.. even the rightous person can die in unrepented sin.

this is true but unrenting is not an unforgiven sin.

can this also be used for those in hell to say it is now to late ? or is this also the case you can recieve the punishemnt of hell while you are alive in the body and be banished ? befor you have died in the body.. now you may say no but there is one sin that is unforgiven.

Being saved is great but once you are saved could you still blashomy the holy spirit ?
maybe you could not personaly.. but could you also die with an unrepented sin and what would happen to you if you did ?. Now being saved is diffrent because not all had the chance to be saved befor Jesus came intot the world, all sinners where on the way to hell,, has this changed ? because surely you could still die in a sin. now some would say well if you die in sin you where not saved in the first place... I would say no sin is sin...
God has compassion God has mercy. God wants you clean befor you stand in his persence,, that is the best way for you walk in honor and dignity.. if you are clean befor you stand befor God is he going to resend you back to hell,, because the bible says all will stand befor God.. and all must be cleansed befor they stand befor God nothing unclean can stand befor God..

You really are a Catholic, aren't you? That, "Jesus dies daily" nonsense comes right out of the unscriptural mass.

And speaking of unscriptural, I put up a mass of scripture, you write back that "I" am wrong- (you mean the Bible is wrong, I just quoted it!) and not once do you quote the Bible to show that "I" meaning the Bible verses I quoted, are wrong! Almost all of it is passages. In context. You know church doctrine so well, but I bet you have never read the Bible. That's what happens to Catholics who are told church tradition & history are equal with Scripture. Not sure how you can compare fallible men with inspired Scripture!

Not "my" opinion at all. As I was writing that post, I thought someone might criticize me for using too much Scripture. Except Scripture stands for itself! And you criticize me for opinions, when I quoted Scripture in context? Are you even a Christian? Do you know who Jesus is, and his purpose in earth??

"She will give birth to a Son; and you shall name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” Matt 1:21

Not a fallible church, esp not the Catholic Church which didn't come into being till after the 4th century AD. And stole the word "pope" or Papas from the church in Alexandria, Egypt. And established churches in places like Antioch, Ephesus, Crete, Jerusalem, were there long before the bishop of Rome consolidated his power. But I digress!

We are all dead people, on our way to
Hell, before Christ saves us.

"But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus," Eph 2:4-6

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works,so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9

I don't know why I bother with Scripture, since you don't believe it holds any value!
No, when we have been saved by the Holy Spirit, we don't go to hell or purgatory. Purgatory doesn't exist, and saved people, saved by Christ's death and resurrection, do not go to hell. And remember, the cross, while a wonderful, saving necessity, means nothing without the Resurrection. The Resurrection shows the power of God. Without the Resurrection, Jesus would be dead! That's why we celebrate a risen Saviour, not a dead sacrifice, as important as that is!

Whether punishment in hell is forever, I cannot say. There is one reference to eternal hell, for the goats, or unbelievers. Hermeneutically, I prefer to make my doctrine with more than I verse, although you can't deny this verse.

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matt 25:46

There are some references to "eternal destruction" so, that's why I hesitate to make a doctrine. And since opinions seem to count to you, my opinion is that hell is eternal & permanent. No end in sight, for rejecting Christ.

No, salvation is NEVER about works. Go back to Eph 2.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God had prepared in advance for us to do." Eph 2:8-10.

Salvation is NOT by works, but once God saves us, then God gives us good works to do! As for sins, yes, we continue to sin. As the Holy Spirit sanctifies us, that sin grows less. As for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, I do not believe a person who is saved is able to do this. In fact, what is blaspheming about? It means rebelling against God. A true Christian, saved by the Holy Spirit cannot do that! It would hurt them, too much! Because anyone who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in their hearts, could not curse or blaspheme that same Holy Spirit. And I do believe a lot of people walking around calling themselves a Christian, because they said a sinner's prayer, or got baptized, have not truly been saved by God and are relying on their own works. It is seductive not backing up what you are saying with Scripture. Normally I would, but there is no point with you, since you do not believe the Bible, but the fallible Magisterium.

 

[Angela53510]

Part 2

Finally, God is not linear. In fact, God knew us before the foundation of the world. He knew who would not be saved. And he knew who would "persevere to the end."

"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemptionthrough his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ," Eph 1:4-9

Chose us before the creation/foundation of the world. So when we repent, God forgives ALL our sins. Because he knows all our sins- past, present and future. And although we do need to confess our sins (1 John 1:9) and obey God and walk with him, repentance is a sin of turning from our old dead self, and living in the newness of our new creation. God is not caught off guard by some sin on our death bed. Fortunately, we don't need a priest to confess our sins to.

"If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Cor 5:17

So no, we don't live on a punishment plan, like the Catholic Church claims. We live in the newness of Christ, the Holy Spirit living within and leading and guiding us.

"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies." 1 Cor 6:19-20

And not I, but the Bible is clear if we wantonly sin and walk away from God, we were never saved in the first place.

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1 John 2:19

Here is my challenge to you. Read the whole Bible, from cover to cover. If you read 3 chapters of the OT & 1 chapter of the NT daily, you will get through the Bible in a year.

I know even Catholics can be saved, although you are not. Find out who Jesus is, and that he came to earth to die on the cross for you! God saves us, not the church! Not any church. Not mine, or yours, and certainly not by the mass and the lie of transubstantiation and sacraments.

 

[Angela53510]

I am sticking on topic. Your right the question is can a person come of hell. but many seem to think the question is can you be saved in hell. or is coming out of hell and being the saved the same idea to you and others here ?.

from where i am coming from being saved only refers to when you are alive in the body. where as hell equals punishement.. Now there are many scriptures to say punishment can be served for a set amout of time and you can become saved while you are a live in the body,, which seems to be the nature of God. so why should God change his mind for punishement that has not been served. because when you Get sentenced to Hell it is only then when your true punishment starts.

Which scriptures?? You don't know the Bible at all. If you did, you would back up your statements with the Bible. Sorry, but why are you, someone with no knowledge of Christ or the Bible asking this question at all?

Is it because you know you are unsaved, and therefore must rely on a faint but untrue hope that God will let you out of hell, or more truthfully, purgatory?

Why don't you just believe in Christ, and repent of your sins?

 

[CS1]

Jesus is the only one who pulls us out of hell those who do not know him are on their way to hell which is a guarantee without Christ. BUT Jesus saved us from Hell. once you die without Christ there is no coming back from Hell.

 

[Angela53510]

Can a person come out of Hell? Yes, most Christians would agree that Christ descended into hell (Hades) and on the third day rose again. Also, everyone in hell (Hades) is pulled out on the day of judgement. No one is in Hades forever.

I assume the question was really intended to be: Can a person be sent to hell and find Christ (find salvation) before the judgement?

Hades (hell)? maybe.

Lake of Fire (hell), after the judgement? No.

Some editions of the bible including the KJV don't always make an effort to differentiate between Hades and the Lake of Fire. This can be lead to misconceptions about what scripture actually says.

It is possible that one's fate is sealed at death. The phrase 'first comes death, then judgement' comes up from time to time in these conversations. Some will interpret that it is implied to mean judgement is sealed at the moment of death, others will interpret this simply as a description of chronology and that it is still possible for any conscious mind to find Christ before the judgement.

To my knowledge, scripture never explicitly says that people in the rich man's part of Hades can't reach out to Christ and find salvation. But even then a possibility is not a guarantee. If there was a narrow door for those in Hades, it doesn't mean that many would find it. And it seems to be the case that one's location in Hades is more or less permanent until the day of judgement (the rich man can't cross the divide). After months of talking about this in a different thread, I believe that both interpretations (doomed at death vs. God can save dead people too) are consistent with scripture by themselves.

I personally don't find the doomed at death interpretation to be compelling, as salvation after death could just be another tool in God's toolbox for saving individuals. God works in mysterious ways. Who are we to rule out what God may do?

We see in scripture that even dead people that are saved are subject to remorse and burdensome negative emotions prior to the purification. Being saved and on the path to New Jerusalem isn't painless.

The big cultural issue with this subject is how we respect the dead. In the RCC for instance, for a very long time it was held that suicide was an irredeemable (mortal) sin that would destine one for eternal hellfire. The place of one's burial alongside family would be revoked because they were no longer considered in good standing with the church. Even if they had lived a virtuous Christian life as a loving neighbour right up until the end, the sentiment was that "they are worthless" and that they would never find peace in death. The RCC changed their stance on the subject of suicide in recent history to simply say God works in mysterious ways and it is for God to judge the matter. There is some danger of disturbing the peace between believers by making formulaic and unnecessary claims about who ends up in hell and how the mechanics of hell and salvation work (beyond what scripture actually says). For that reason alone I believe it is fruitful to reject the concept that 'those that enter hell are necessary forever unsaved.'

This is utter Word Faith blasphemy! And yes, it is in an ancient creed. One I won't say.

It is a total misinterpretation of these verses.

"Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured captives; he gave gifts to men.” 9 Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth?" Eph 4:8-9 NET

This is the proper translation. Jesus did not descend below the earth, that is to hell! It makes no theological sense that Jesus went to hell! Jesus was sinless! He did not go to hell for our sins, either. That would make Jesus a victim of our sins, & powerless to counter them. Jesus instead is powerful, and able to fight anything the devil tries. Satan couldn't even cause Jesus to die, but Jesus laid down his life willingly.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18

This verse confirms the correct translation of Eph 4:8-9 is descended to earth.

"No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven—the Son of Man." John 3:13

Your are posting bad theology. That is because you don't know the Bible. If you think something is in the Bible, please post the verses. In my early days as a Christian, I used to look things up in Strong's, often to find they weren't there. Reading the Bible cover to cover helped, as well as memorizing Scripture. Please start reading the Bible, before you post a bunch of unbiblical opinions!

 

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This is utter Word Faith blasphemy! And yes, it is in an ancient creed. One I won't say.

It is a total misinterpretation of these verses.

"Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured captives; he gave gifts to men.” 9 Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth?" Eph 4:8-9 NET

This is the proper translation. Jesus did not descend below the earth, that is to hell! It makes no theological sense that Jesus went to hell! Jesus was sinless! He did not go to hell for our sins, either. That would make Jesus a victim of our sins, & powerless to counter them. Jesus instead is powerful, and able to fight anything the devil tries. Satan couldn't even cause Jesus to die, but Jesus laid down his life willingly.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18

This verse confirms the correct translation of Eph 4:8-9 is descended to earth.

"No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven—the Son of Man." John 3:13

Your are posting bad theology. That is because you don't know the Bible. If you think something is in the Bible, please post the verses. In my early days as a Christian, I used to look things up in Strong's, often to find they weren't there. Reading the Bible cover to cover helped, as well as memorizing Scripture. Please start reading the Bible, before you post a bunch of unbiblical opinions!

Your entire response was directed towards one part of my comment: "Yes, most Christians would agree that Christ descended into hell (Hades) and on the third day rose again."

The observation is correct. Most Christians endorse the Apostles creed and the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell).

You can challenge that doctrine if you like, but I suggest you read the rest of my post. I did not present the Apostles creed as biblical evidence nor did I claim that it was necessarily true.

 

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Once again i am now having a break from this site for 2 weeks more without a single comment more. because i wish not to fall out with people and i only love my fellow brothers and sisters in christ. This kinda of behavior needs to stop and i would love to be friends here so please pack the false accustaions in they are extremely getting on my nerves.

how people are supporting false accusations here and permitting it to continue is beyond me i am not catholic and if i was a catholic i would say so. The question and the topic is can a person come out of hell. would you all please stop insulting each other or stop getting so offended and use your supperior knowledge to be patient and teach.


the thread has nothing to do with forcing beliefs. having issues with the bible or questioning who is saved and who is not.. the thread is not about questioning whos knowledge is more superior. or questioning who is escaping hell.

this thread is not about miss leading people this thread and the quesions are for people who want to learn including myself hence why i have posted this topic in a forum called the bible study.

There are two sides to hell. and people should not threaten people with hell, so if anyone here wants to get mad then get mad with people who threaten people with hell who have no knowledge about the two sides of hell. This is a friendly debate on my part and all are welcome to voice there opinions but please lets stop the false accusations. And for those who have superior knowledge can i suggest that you rememeber where you got that knowledge from and please stop taking things so personal. thankyou that is all