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SEE, you did make it into a DOCTRINE and replaced it with the Gospel of Christ.
GRACE = God's Redemption At Christ's Expense -or- Grace and Mercy is what took place upon the Cross.
FAVOR is because we are His. Grace has no relationship to Favor because Grace is not a continuing Condition like Favor is. Grace is what God did to Save us. like i said, SACRILEGIOUS!
you need to walk away from the HILLBILLY DOCTRINE'S!
SEE, you did make it into a DOCTRINE and replaced it with the Gospel of Christ.
GRACE = God's Redemption At Christ's Expense -or- Grace and Mercy is what took place upon the Cross.
FAVOR is because we are His. Grace has no relationship to Favor because Grace is not a continuing Condition like Favor is. Grace is what God did to Save us. like i said, SACRILEGIOUS!
you need to walk away from the HILLBILLY DOCTRINE'S!
see here you go again
the term grace comes from the greek word CHARIS which means favor..
Grace is Gods mercy because Jesus on the cross took the wrath of God in our place. thats called redemption
We are saved BY GRACE through faith
that is what the word says.. Your trying to twist things into something it is not does not negate the truth of the word
the term grace comes from the greek word CHARIS which means favor..
Grace is Gods mercy because Jesus on the cross took the wrath of God in our place. thats called redemption
We are saved BY GRACE through faith
that is what the word says.. Your trying to twist things into something it is not does not negate the truth of the word
you can't ever know, so you have to, whether you believe it or not
1. Water down the law to a point you can fulfill it
2. Start to look at sinners who are worse than you so you can concentrate on them so you do not see your own sin
3. See yourself as more moral than you really are. by denying you are in sin, or at the least, denying your particular sin will cause you to be cursed by the law
4. Realise your own sin, and give up and walk away, because you realise you can not meet Gods standard, but your to proud to admit you were wrong all allong, and these people you have been attacking because they believe in grace through faith alone, were right
sadly, I have witnessed the last group far to often
1. Water down the law to a point you can fulfill it
2. Start to look at sinners who are worse than you so you can concentrate on them so you do not see your own sin
3. See yourself as more moral than you really are. by denying you are in sin, or at the least, denying your particular sin will cause you to be cursed by the law
4. Realise your own sin, and give up and walk away, because you realise you can not meet Gods standard, but your to proud to admit you were wrong all allong, and these people you have been attacking because they believe in grace through faith alone, were right
sadly, I have witnessed the last group far to often
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I don't know if this thread has already gotten into this.. but let's not start saying people who believe in OSAS aren't eternally saved.. or that people who don't believe in OSAS aren't eternally saved.
Eternal salvation is the initial belief in Jesus. What people get taught afterward affects their view of how their service to God relates to their eternal state. So we don't actually know for sure who is genuinely saved and who isn't.
So before it goes to the point of attacking people to say they are not saved... think about what it takes to initially believe in Jesus.
Eternal salvation is the initial belief in Jesus. What people get taught afterward affects their view of how their service to God relates to their eternal state. So we don't actually know for sure who is genuinely saved and who isn't.
So before it goes to the point of attacking people to say they are not saved... think about what it takes to initially believe in Jesus.
i see you use the English definition, not the correct Greek definition where Charis means = Charis (Greek: Χάρις) is a given name derived from a Greek word meaning "grace, kindness, and life."
if people would stop interjecting ENGLISH meaning into God's WORD they might get a CLUE!
GRACE is forever because it is the exchange of God's human body for our sinful human body that gives us Eternal Salvation.
Favor is different because it continues in every way we are Blessed afterwards.
the Bible was written in HEBREW and GREEK.
Stop believing the English meaning, which is how many are confused on a multitude of Biblical Topics.
if people would stop interjecting ENGLISH meaning into God's WORD they might get a CLUE!
GRACE is forever because it is the exchange of God's human body for our sinful human body that gives us Eternal Salvation.
Favor is different because it continues in every way we are Blessed afterwards.
the Bible was written in HEBREW and GREEK.
Stop believing the English meaning, which is how many are confused on a multitude of Biblical Topics.
LOL!!
Got some catching up to do to equal your thread's redundancy!
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
ResidentAlien
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Sep 4, 2021
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There are three legs upon which OSAS stands or falls. Do these verses mean what they supposedly mean, or have they been misunderstood and misapplied? When we examine them next to other scriptures that clearly contradict them will they hold up? Let's see.
Got some catching up to do to equal your thread's redundancy!
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
ResidentAlien
Well-known member
Apr 21, 20213,7121,411113
Sep 4, 2021
#1
There are three legs upon which OSAS stands or falls. Do these verses mean what they supposedly mean, or have they been misunderstood and misapplied? When we examine them next to other scriptures that clearly contradict them will they hold up? Let's see.
