Poll: On what day of the week was Jesus Crucified?
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Antipater, (died 4BC) And was replaced by Herod. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Antipater-son-of-Herod-the-Great
Matt 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
(NOTE: Jesus is born after 4BC)
Jesus was most likely conceived in Dec 4 B.C, during Hanukkah (Feast of Dedication/Feast of Lights). Jesus is the light of the world John 8:12 portrayed a Servant in Isa 53. It's the servant candle the lights all other lights on the Hanukkah Menorah.
Jesus is born in Sept 3 B.C. during the Feast of Trumpets at Tekiah ha-Gadol. Circumcised 8 day's later on Yom Kippur. Then dwelled/tabernacled in a manger (sukkah) with his parents during the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) that yr.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age
Jesus ministry begins shortly after he turns 30 AD in 27AD during the Feast of tabernacles, John 7:37-38. Continues through 3 Passovers (John 2:13, 6:4, 11:55-57). And ends 3 1/2 years later with his death on Passover 30AD
This post is my opinion only. When putting this together, I read many different views/presentations. I laid out my what day view in post #27. Here again, I read many different views/presentations on this as well. And gave my opinion as food for thought.
You argue the resurrection was on a Sunday, but it was actually on a Saturday evening. Christ was buried just before sundown: and 3 days/3 nights add up to a sundown resurrection. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. The Romans said it was Friday because of the sundown Sabbath was approaching. But it says in John 19:14: it was the preparation day (crucifixion day) which is the day before the annual Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Ask any Jew what the preparation day is. Three days and three nights raises Him on Saturday evening. He had already risen by early Sunday. John 20:1: "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."
Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet: John 20:16-18: "Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”
Later that same day He appeared to His disciples and they could touch Him. So, we can say for sure the ascension was on Sunday. We are given a picture of His ascension as the wave sheath day: [look up wave sheath day for yourself] when the first fruits were waved before God as a tribute. This was always done on the first Sunday after Passover. I looked it up: In 30 AD the 14th of Nisan falls on a Wednesday.
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Ok we talking about time and dates and days, the Jewish calander isn't very accurate it is like 5th on the chart and these calanders go by the sun rise and set, the moon cycle and earth's cycles around the sun. do you know how many leap years there have been since the death of Christ. a day is added during those times and I'm talking Jewish calendar as well. all calendars have to tweak their calanders because none are perfectly accurate. To truely know if the 14th Abib fell on what we consider Thursday today, one would have to backtrack and subtract all the leap years days added and along with others things that have been tweaked and added. if you have some info about someone doing the math of subtracting all those tweaks, please share.
The table shows how accurate the different systems are (sorted from most to least accurate).
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[TR]
[TH]Calendar[/TH]
[TH]Introduced[/TH]
[TH]Average Year Length[/TH]
[TH]Approximate Error[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Persian calendar[/TD]
[TD]2nd millennium BCE[/TD]
[TD]365.2421986 days[/TD]
[TD]Less than 1 sec/year (1 day in 110,000 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Revised Julian calendar[/TD]
[TD]1923 CE[/TD]
[TD]365.242222 days[/TD]
[TD]2 sec/year (1 day in 31,250 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mayan calendar[/TD]
[TD]~2000 BCE[/TD]
[TD]365.242036 days[/TD]
[TD]13 sec/year (1 day in 6500 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Gregorian calendar[/TD]
[TD]1582 CE[/TD]
[TD]365.2425 days[/TD]
[TD]27 sec/year (1 day in 3236 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jewish calendar[/TD]
[TD]9th century CE[/TD]
[TD]365.246822 days[/TD]
[TD]7 min/year (1 day in 216 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Julian calendar[/TD]
[TD]45 BCE[/TD]
[TD]365.25 days[/TD]
[TD]11 min/year (1 day in 128 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]365-day calendar
(no leap years)*[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]365 days[/TD]
[TD]6 hours/year (1 day in 4 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
* There is no 365-day calendar system currently in use for civil purposes. Past examples include the ancient civil Egyptian calendar, the Maya Haab' calendar, and the Aztec Xiuhpohualli calendar.
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One can start by knowing this, A leap year in the Jewish Calendar has 13 months and occurs 7 times in 19 year cycle.
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Here's another issue trying to mix and line up the Julian calendar name of days with the Hebrew calendar is big problem, the 14 Abib doesn't fall on a Thursday everytime in the Julian calendar.
It's the 14th day of the lunar month starting at even - Leviticus 23:5. In Hebrew, the word month means moon. They did not have our named days of the week and time was reckoned on a luni solar calendar, and so it could be any of them.
They did have seven day weeks, though. So the question without the day names as we know them, would be, which numbered day was it?
Sunday = first day
Monday = second day
Tuesday = third day
Wednesday = fourth day
Thursday = fifth day
Friday = sixth day
Saturday = seventh day (weekly Sabbath)
The moon cycle is not strictly 28 days (7 day weeks X 4), there is a percentage left over for each day and for each 7 day week. While it is true there are 4 Sabbaths in one lunar month (one for each 7 day week), the percentage left necessarily means that either the Hebrews completely disregarded the moon in favor of ever cycling 7 day weeks, or the last week takes into account that percentage and may, depending on the moon of that period, extend 1 or even 2 days until the day of the New Moon. That term (New Moon) is debated among those who keep or attempt to keep religious observances as either dark moon or full, but the slight extension that happens periodically because of the aforementioned percentage is recognized by both.
There is also the Biblical lunar/solar calendar in use at the time of Moses and revised only twice in well documented changes.
The ninth century Jewish calendar adjusts the months of Bul [Chesvan] or Kislev to prevent 1 Tishri from falling on a sabbath
It also begins a year on 1 Tishri instead of 1 Abib [Nisan] as the Bible stipulates
On the Biblical calendar Rabbinics are ignored. The solar year is 365.25days On the Biblical calendar there are 354 days.
Six odd numbered months have 30 days. Six even numbered months have 29 days.
Seven times in 17 years an intercalary 13th month of 29 days is added [leap year].
17X365.25=6209.25 354X10+383X7=6221 Twelve times in 17 years Bul is reduced to 29 days to compensate 6221-12=6209
Once every 68 years Shvat is shortened to 29 days bringing the lunar/solar Biblical calendar into sync with the solar calendar. There is a computed formula for determining which years are adjusted but I am not aware of it.
There is or was a website on which you can specify any Biblical calendar date and it will compute the day of the week.
My computer crashed a few months ago; and I lost many of my bookmarks. I just attempted unsuccessfully to find the site.
I will make another attempt using other search engines in the near future.
The new moon is never called full. Was that a typo? The yearly Passover was always on a full moon, two weeks after the new moon of Nissan. They did make adjustments to their calendar, to compensate for the shifts and differences.
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[TH]Hebrew[/TH]
[TH]English[/TH]
[TH]Number[/TH]
[TH]Length[/TH]
[TH]Civil Equivalent[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Nissan[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]March-April[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Iyar[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]April-May[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Sivan[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]May-June[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Tammuz[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]June-July[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Av[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]July-August[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Elul[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]August-September[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Tishri[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]September-October[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Cheshvan[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]29 or 30 days[/TD]
[TD]October-November[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Kislev[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]30 or 29 days[/TD]
[TD]November-December[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Tevet[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]December-January[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Shevat[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]January-February[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Adar I (leap years only)[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]February-March[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[TD]Adar
(called Adar Beit in leap years)[/TD]
[TD]12
(13 in leap years)[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]February-March[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Calendar from Judaism 101: Jewish Calendar
The new moon is never called full. Was that a typo? The yearly Passover was always on a full moon, two weeks after the new moon of Nissan. They did make adjustments to their calendar, to compensate for the shifts and differences.
[TABLE="class: Grid1, width: 1"]
[TR]
[TH]Hebrew[/TH]
[TH]English[/TH]
[TH]Number[/TH]
[TH]Length[/TH]
[TH]Civil Equivalent[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Nissan[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]March-April[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Iyar[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]April-May[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Sivan[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]May-June[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Tammuz[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]June-July[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Av[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]July-August[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Elul[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]August-September[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Tishri[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]September-October[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Cheshvan[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]29 or 30 days[/TD]
[TD]October-November[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Kislev[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]30 or 29 days[/TD]
[TD]November-December[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Tevet[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]December-January[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Shevat[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]January-February[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"][/TD]
[TD]Adar I (leap years only)[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]30 days[/TD]
[TD]February-March[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: Hebrew, align: right"]
[/TD]
[TD]Adar
(called Adar Beit in leap years)[/TD]
[TD]12
(13 in leap years)[/TD]
[TD]29 days[/TD]
[TD]February-March[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Calendar from Judaism 101: Jewish Calendar
No Typo Passover is 14Abib [mid month] the new moon is the first day of the month [the dark of the moon].
the chart is partly a fictional concoction.
The "jewish' Calendar is the only accurate Understanding you will find to Give Clarity on this Subject.
But no one will ever give it to you as a Whole.
You will have to learn to count the days for yourself before it is apparent.
And the Holy Scripture leaves a person with all the tools they need.
Starting with 7 day weeks.
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I personally would not put very much weight in a computer program to be absolute truth, it should be viewed as just a mere novelty, because the algorithm of the program doesn't take in account for the fluctuation of time. Which is constantly in a state of fluctuation, God created the universe and everything in it to be so. Like a odd ball 4 leaf clover in a field full of 3 leaf clovers perfectly imperfect. the universe is that as well. As we are too that slight imperfection in us is our free will to choose. If God created us to be perfect there wouldn't have been any disobeying in the garden.
A 24 hour day is not exactly 24 hours it changes alittle, the moon cycle is not 29 days, it's about 29.53 days and is not constant some months it might be 29.51 the next month 29.54 and so on. Our year is not always 365.25 days that changes as well. these changes in time as we know it are from gravitonal push and pull in our solar system and universe on planet's, Sun's, nebulae's galaxies etc.
lets say the moon cycle was just a mere 10 seconds off of being exactly 29 days a month instead of 12 hours and a few minutes off from being exact 29 days or 30 days. In 1 year that is 2 mins, In 30 years the lunar calendar would be off by 1 hour, in 720 years that equals to 1 full day off and that is with just a mere 10 seconds off.
the gregorian calander has 4 week months mostly with 12 months a year with seven named days that repeat ever week and which it does with not accounting for the fluciation of daily time. Right now our day light time is increasing by 3 minutes a day until the longest day of the year then it reverses and we loose 3 mins a day, yes all that happens within a 24 hour period but the 24 hour period isn't exact it as well fluxiates.
to try and go back in time to line up the gregorian/Julian calendar with rather using the updated Jewish calendar or the older lunar calendar either one doesn't matter, the algorithm used are flawed because there is to much fluctuation in time itself by design from our creator.
I believe the best anyone can say is this, such and such happened on the 14th Abib and on the first day of the week such and such happened in their time not ours.
i think there is a bigger meaning to why we should not look back like this about time, IMO God doesn't want us to be concerned about what exactly the day was on the Gregorian/Julian calendar, but to focus on what is ahead not behind as far as time goes. it cannot be calculated to much fluctuation for it to be completely correct and the truth. God knows which exact day on the Julian calendar it was in that time of history we don't nor could we.
In order to prove this, to me at least, you will need to find a passage in the bible that shows it specifically. Either "new moon" is defined internally as a dark moon, or the presence of a full moon on the 14th/15th of any lunar month which would also prove it. I am not interested in Rabbi or Jewish commentary as authority. It should be provable from the text.
It is worth mentioning that in the original Exodus story a light source was needed for the Israelites to escape Egypt. God was that light source by night, a pillar of fire, so that they had light. Exodus 13:21(KJV). This would strongly imply a dark moon during the Exodus, which of course is the 15th of the month.
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the Chinese calendar when a new moon happens it's called the dark moon in their calendar might not be the same thing as the other poster was mentioning.
Psalms 81:3 has some info on the Passover feast, actually at every feast during the year the same thing is done.