As I have previously said, when you answer my question relating to verse nine I will immediatley answer your question concerning verse 8.
POLL: The Deity of Christ
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As I have previously said, when you answer my question relating to verse nine I will immediatley answer your question concerning verse 8.
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Viligant_Warrior
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I'm guessing you don't know that is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7? Which of course means that God identified Christ as God a thousand years before Christ came to Earth.
As John Gill, the great Bible commentator wrote, "Deity is here ascribed to the Son of God; He is expressly called God; for the words will not bear to be rendered, 'Thy throne is the throne of God, or Thy throne is God'; or be supplied thus, 'God shall establish thy throne': nor are the words an apostrophe to the Father, but are spoken to the King, the subject of the psalm, who is distinguished from God the Father, being blessed and anointed by Him."
That is a perfect exposition of the passage, and sets up the explanation for verse nine you have thus far refused to see. God is One; The Father is God; The Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God. If you'd care to argue with it, go for it, but know that you can neither explain nor deny the Triune God with the mind of a man.
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First of all im a different person.
Second of all im sitting back laughing now because you have proven you are a troll.
No you wont. I told you that the quote of verse nine from Psalm 45 establishes the relationship between the Father and the Son as one God. You just do not like the answer. Now suppose you answer my question.
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eternally-gratefull
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one God two persons (as far as the father and son go) or one person split into two things (physical and spiritual)?
You have not answered the simple question at all. If Christ is the one true God, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?
Obviously it is the Father just like I have already said twice. Jesus also confirmed this relationship in John 20:17. This is not a recognition of superiority but one of relationship.
So the father is THE God of Christ, we agree. To answer your question as Christ himself stated there is only one TRUE God, the father, true being the important word. However, biblically speaking others have been referred to as gods, and Christ came in the name of the father
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And in John 8:58, identified Himself as "I AM," the Name God (Yahweh) gave Moses at the burning bush. The Pharisees knew what He was saying, and wanted to stone Him on the spot, and would have had He not hidden Himself. You want to argue two verse? The Bible is filled with passages identifying Christ as God. You will only willfully fail to see that truth -- as it appears you have.
Which, by the way, is a violation of forum rules here. You can neither deny Christ's deity, nor the Trinity. You won't be around much longer.
The is a great deal of difference between men being referred to 'gods' and Jesus being addressed and God. Jesus is and always has been the God of eternity. Your lack of understanding in the fundamental concepts of the nature of God will not allow you to reconcile the word 'one' with the triadic nature of God.
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eternally-gratefull
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So is Jesus one of those gods, or is He God (as the term son of God proclaims)
we are all called sons of God once we come into his family by adoption.
But there is only one called THE SON OF GOD.
I am afraid it is you who fails to understand the basics of the christian faith. You need to rely on the holy spirit to learn, not the academic mind. Thank goodness the ministers in the churches in most cases do not preach what some on the internet do.
May I ask who gave you and others the spiritual authority to refuse to accept the words of Christ as to who he must be believed to be to inherit eternal life by adding to them? I can assure you it was not the holy spirit
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Viligant_Warrior
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Based on the fact no angel would call itself the "I AM" it is quite obvious God spoke those words.
You will deny that, just as it is obvious you continue to deny the Deity of Christ. You've been reported. Bye-bye.
Acts 7:35 states God sent Moses to be the ruler of the Israelites THROUGH the angel who appeared to him in the bush
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eternally-gratefull
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Is 48:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have[SUP][a][/SUP] sent Me.”
Who else could this be but pre-incarnate Christ. the God of Israel.
Most people who are not academically inclined are quick to condemn things they do not understand. What I have learned concerning the nature of God come from the biblical text itself. I Since the Holy Spirit is the author of scripture I trust the Bible as a reliable source of information. Scripture represents God as triadic and everything is creation is established on this triadic principle.
Scripture reveals God operating in three distinct functions. These three distinct functions involve intelligent design, active cause, and organization. I refer to each of these in terms of his respective position within the triadic structure The idea of position simply demonstrates the functional relationship that each appears to have with the others and to define the role that each has within the triadic structure. The First Position will always appear as the one who represents the idea or the planning. It is also the position of command. The Second Position will always be the avenue of communication between the two worlds as well as the causative agent. He will be the one who gives substance to the idea. He takes what is abstract (the idea) and gives it form and substance. The Third Position will always serve as the linking agent. He is the one who brings order to the work of the Second Position. He organizes the work of the Second Position so that it conforms exactly to the idea of the First Position. He shapes a finished product.
These positional functions of each appear to be exclusive. In all of my studies in scripture, I find it quite interesting that I have been unable to find a single textual example where one member of the Triadic Unity is seen operating in the function of another member. For example, we never seem to find the Third Position functioning as the active cause or the Second Position functioning as the linking agent. Each member of the triadic unity always appears to function within the parameters of his exclusive dynamic. (If anyone can show me an example in scripture to the contrary, then I stand corrected). There are places where some of these may appear to overlap but this does not change the basic parameters of positional function. This simple diagram may help to explain the idea of divine triadic structure as it relates to the function of each member of the Triadic Unity in relationship to creation.
Jesus of Nazareth is God, as well as man.LOL! The question was to you.If Christ is God's, (G2316) then is the Word God's? (G2316)
". . .and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh. . ." (Jn 1:1, 13)
What is it you are not understanding about the God-ness of the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, God the Son, from whom God the Holy Spirit proceeds, as well as from God the Father?
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Ever hear of the Angel of the Lord? That is the preincarnate Christ, second in the Godhead. He also appeared to many Old Testament figures such as Lot, Abraham, Joshua, in such passages as Genesis 16:7-14, Genesis 22:11-18, Judges 5:13, 2 Kings 19:35, and other passages.
But of course, you will also deny this is true. Keep piling up the evidence, bub. Administrators will be along soon to see the lies you post here. You did know your vote in the poll is public, right, that anyone can see that it is you who deny Christ's deity in the voting?
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