Pondering simularities ????:)

[pickles]

We have all often seen the debates about law bringing us to the law of love and grace in Jesus.
Lately, I have been pondering, considering the same about knowladge.
Not that knowladge is bad, but, it was the desire of God's knowladge that brought Adam and eve to sin, the temtpation of such knowladge.
The reason I bring this topic, is simple.
I consider at how the law was to bring us to know what is good, so we may know God, recieiving Jesus as Our savior and Lord, thus recieiving grace, and living the greatest comandment.
That being to love, saved by grace, perfected in Jesus.

I wonder the same as it pertains to knowladge.
For we seek knowladge through the scriptures, so we will know in Jesus, God Our Father.
As I have grown longer in years, I have realised that I cannot hold all knowladge, nor can I know by knowladge the perfect choices, that it is only in faith, trusting all in Jesus to God Our Father that the good choice will be made.
IT is only by faith and trusting all in Jesus, to God Our Father, that all needed will be given, and as scripture says, the Holy Spirit will remind you of what I have taught you.
The scripure ," be still and know that I am God " is compleatly aplicable here.
For it is not about the gain of knowladge that gives us freedom, but that knowladge brings us to see that all knowladge needed is God's, and given to us as He knows we need.
Rather than like adam and eve, thinking that we can have knowladge like God's.

I guess what Im trying to say is?
If the law was to bring us to know what is good, so we will believe upon Jesus, recieiving grace and the great commandment of love.
Then is knowladge in the same way, to bring us to realise, like the law is to love and grace?
knowladge is to obedience, trust, so we would be free and made perfect.
Not by anything we do, but by faith, thus God providing and holding all knowladge for when we need, thus bringing a
good work in us to compleation.

Now these are just some things I have pondered, not certain or claiming in any way.
Its just that as I have grown in the love and grace of Jesus, Im seeing just how I know nothing on my own as well, and that knowladge is as nothing, unless I trust it and all understanding to that given in Jesus By God Our Father.


Maby there is scripture that pertains to this, or not, just wanted to share what Im pondering, and wondering what your thoughts in Jesus are on this.

In Jesus, God bless
pickles

 

[just-me]

[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Why does God allow or cause decease, plagues, natural disasters, and death of children and loved ones? What is Gods evil? What is mans evil? What's the purpose? [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die . [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Knowledge = 1847[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] da`ath dah'-ath from 3045; knowledge:--cunning, (ig-)norantly, know(-ledge), (un-)awares (wittingly). [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]To know = 3045 yada` yaw-dah' a primitive root; to know (properly, to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively, instruction, designation, punishment, etc.) (as follow):--acknowledge, acquaintance(-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, (un-)awares, can(-not), certainly, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be (ig-)norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have (knowledge), (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have (understanding), X will be, wist, wit, wot. [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]evil = 7451[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] ra` rah from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.). [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]7489[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] ra`a` raw-ah' a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally):--afflict, associate selves (by mistake for 7462), break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly (by mistake for 7462), do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse. [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ברֵא רָע [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]= created bad[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif](created)=household, family, union, division, and witnessing[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]the beginning of enlightenment to mankind, redemption. [/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Unity, strong, powerful leader, new beginnings[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif](Gods way versus our way.... evil)=the beginning of enlightenment to mankind, redemption.[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]watch, know, shade, love[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]הַדַּעַת [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]= knowledge[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]look, reveal, breath, grace, God’s goodness, and Pentateuch[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]entrance, creation, the world, creative works[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]watch, know, shade, love[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]mark, sign, signal, monument, light [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ידַּעַ [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]= to know[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]work, throw, worship, testimony, law and responsibility[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]entrance, creation, the world, creative works[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]watch, know, shade, love[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Jeremiah 35:13-17 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD. The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed ; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking ; but ye hearkened not unto me.I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying , Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me. Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me: Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard ; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered .[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Isaiah 47: 11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off : and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know . [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth , and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away , none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.[/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Ezekiel 33:10-20 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak , saying , If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live ? 11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live : turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die , O house of Israel? 12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth . 13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live ; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered ; but for his iniquity that he hath committed , he shall die for it. 14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die ; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live , he shall not die . 16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live . 17 Yet the children of thy people say , The way of the Lord is not equal : but as for them, their way is not equal . 18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. 19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. 20 Yet ye say , The way of the Lord is not equal . O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways. [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Romans 5:1-5[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand , and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed ; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]Romans 8z:20-24[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth , why doth he yet hope for ? [/FONT]


[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]God created us to respond to His love. Not by dictation, but by will. Love cannot exist with a dictatorship, but only with a “sacred romance” of desires emanating from both giver, and receiver. [/FONT]

 

[pickles]

After pondering this more, it trully is being still and knowing God.
For all given, all knowladge, all understanding, all....
When one in faith, lives all and trusts all in Jesus to God? there peace, love is made perfect.

God bless
pickles

 

[Grandpa]

Ephesians 3:17-21
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[RedTent]

It seems to me there are many sides to this question and not one answer, for if we use only our own knowledge and don't depend on the knowledge of God, we are not really gaining true knowledge. Yet, we grow through the knowledge we gain when it is centered on God.

If we learn of the people in the cities that Paul spoke to, we can understand Paul's words to them better and know what applies to us and how. When we learn what the Hebrew words meant to people of different centuries, we understand better what the Lord is telling us. If we learn how our churches developed, and who developed our traditions and why, we can know better what God wants from us in worship today. So knowledge does help us grow in the Lord.

It is the same with law. We can not use law for the Lord, we can say that law teaches us how we can be saved, when that isn't what law is for. We can know of the blessings and love in the law and live a life that is blessed.

We must be able to see clearly through the Lord's eyes, not our own.

 

[pickles]

It seems to me there are many sides to this question and not one answer, for if we use only our own knowledge and don't depend on the knowledge of God, we are not really gaining true knowledge. Yet, we grow through the knowledge we gain when it is centered on God.

If we learn of the people in the cities that Paul spoke to, we can understand Paul's words to them better and know what applies to us and how. When we learn what the Hebrew words meant to people of different centuries, we understand better what the Lord is telling us. If we learn how our churches developed, and who developed our traditions and why, we can know better what God wants from us in worship today. So knowledge does help us grow in the Lord.

It is the same with law. We can not use law for the Lord, we can say that law teaches us how we can be saved, when that isn't what law is for. We can know of the blessings and love in the law and live a life that is blessed.

We must be able to see clearly through the Lord's eyes, not our own.

"For God uses all thing for His good perpose, His glory."
One of my fave scriptures.

God bless
pickles

 

[p_rehbein]

Sometimes Biblical Truth is a hard pill for some to swallow.............

2nd Corinthians 3:!) Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2 .) Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 .) Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 .) And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 .) Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 .) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 .) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 .) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 .) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 .) For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 .) For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 .) Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 .) And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 .) But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 .) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 .) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 .) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 .) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD.