Poope Francis Blesses Homosexual Unions
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Not necessarily. Any temple built in Jerusalem by Jews will be REGARDED BY JEWS as "the temple of God" (regardless of whether God is behind that building). The next or third temple will be built by Orthodox Jews, not Christians. Even though the second temple was being desecrated, Christ said that it was still the temple of God ("my Father's house"). Later on He prophesied about the destruction of the temple by the Romans, and AFTER THAT He prophesied about the third temple. There is a chronological sequence in Matthew 24.
Nonsense. 2023 has nothing to do with properly interpreting Scripture. And I have answered both your objections above. So please read the Olivet discourse in all three Synoptic Gospels and harmonize them as one account. Each Gospel presents things in its own way.
Nonsense. 2023 has nothing to do with properly interpreting Scripture. And I have answered both your objections above. So please read the Olivet discourse in all three Synoptic Gospels and harmonize them as one account. Each Gospel presents things in its own way.
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But logically and keeping with the same pattern as He always did, God would have to command His temple be built for it to be His. Just because Jews that reject Jesus call a building "Gods temple" does not make it so. At all. I don't understand where there is any room for any misunderstanding here. Yes you are right, in Mat 24 Jesus tells them how all these things will happen. Then His disciples looked Him in the eyes and asked him "when will these things happen?" To which He replies VERY CLEARLY " Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
He tells them "ALL these things", not some, will take place "BEFORE this generation passes, not that generation, not this race, not "the generation that sees these things", this generation. The sheer amount you have to ADD to this scripture top make it line up with the pre tribulation view is mind boggling, and it amazes me how blind people are to this fact. Jesus tells THEM it would happen before the end of that generation, yet some suggest so much extra that isn't in the text, that I'm not even sure how to "show" them that glaring reality. The way they view it makes Jesus wrong at the very least (I'd say He'd have to be a false prophet), but in contrast the way I view it makes Him amazing and is further evidence of His divinity and demonstrates He knew exactly how it would all happen.
I understand your view, trust me it's the dominant mainstream view, I've went to MANY teachings on exactly what you believe, I just don't believe that's what the text says at all, nor what history attest to. I believe you have to superimpose this belief onto the text and I do not understand how it's so hard to grasp this with all the charts, timelines, and guru's you need to try to understand it. Not only that, I believe it leads to Christians making the EXACT same mistake looking for Jesus to return as the Jew made waiting for messiah, For Him to bring His kingdom in a worldly fleshly way. That's why the Jews rejected Him and is the opposite of everything Jesus told us about His kingdom.
First of all we who are born again are in His kingdom now, one earth. Jesus compared the growth of His kingdom to a tree growing and leaven working through a bunch of dough. it is a process and not in a flash. He said His kingdom would never end and all nations of the earth would stream up to Him. He said it wasn't something we could point to and say "there it is, that's God's kingdom right over there". Yet the Jews were looking for a military commanding king to come destroy all wickedness and rule. Very much the same way the pre trib rapture crowd does. If it happen the way your teaching it would HAVE to be something we could point to and say there it is. No, Jesus told us to go make disciples of all nations because ALL authority in heaven and ON EARTH is His NOW, therefore Go. He is now seated at the right hand of God on the throne and must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet. This is the King I follow and what I believe the text tells us.
I know I shoot strait, but like many topics I debate here, I understand what and how you believe that. I used to as well, heck it was the only way I was ever taught. I understand the arguments and just don't think they hold up at all anymore. I believe the truth is easy to understand and fits without force. I find that these verses in the context of Jewish covenants with God, that they clearly tells us about the salvation God provides men and the end of one covenant age and beginning of the other. When God removed His temple from the earth it was because it had fulfilled it's purpose. A temple now it an insult to God and in NO WAY can possibly be a holy place. This alone in my mind destroys the possibility this can happen in the future. Those are just some of my thoughts on this topic. There's SO MUCH more to it we can go forever, but I guess we'll wee where it goes from here. I have still never heard a good explanation for what I've named "The third temple dilemma", as far as God commanding His temple be rebuilt.
He tells them "ALL these things", not some, will take place "BEFORE this generation passes, not that generation, not this race, not "the generation that sees these things", this generation. The sheer amount you have to ADD to this scripture top make it line up with the pre tribulation view is mind boggling, and it amazes me how blind people are to this fact. Jesus tells THEM it would happen before the end of that generation, yet some suggest so much extra that isn't in the text, that I'm not even sure how to "show" them that glaring reality. The way they view it makes Jesus wrong at the very least (I'd say He'd have to be a false prophet), but in contrast the way I view it makes Him amazing and is further evidence of His divinity and demonstrates He knew exactly how it would all happen.
I understand your view, trust me it's the dominant mainstream view, I've went to MANY teachings on exactly what you believe, I just don't believe that's what the text says at all, nor what history attest to. I believe you have to superimpose this belief onto the text and I do not understand how it's so hard to grasp this with all the charts, timelines, and guru's you need to try to understand it. Not only that, I believe it leads to Christians making the EXACT same mistake looking for Jesus to return as the Jew made waiting for messiah, For Him to bring His kingdom in a worldly fleshly way. That's why the Jews rejected Him and is the opposite of everything Jesus told us about His kingdom.
First of all we who are born again are in His kingdom now, one earth. Jesus compared the growth of His kingdom to a tree growing and leaven working through a bunch of dough. it is a process and not in a flash. He said His kingdom would never end and all nations of the earth would stream up to Him. He said it wasn't something we could point to and say "there it is, that's God's kingdom right over there". Yet the Jews were looking for a military commanding king to come destroy all wickedness and rule. Very much the same way the pre trib rapture crowd does. If it happen the way your teaching it would HAVE to be something we could point to and say there it is. No, Jesus told us to go make disciples of all nations because ALL authority in heaven and ON EARTH is His NOW, therefore Go. He is now seated at the right hand of God on the throne and must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet. This is the King I follow and what I believe the text tells us.
I know I shoot strait, but like many topics I debate here, I understand what and how you believe that. I used to as well, heck it was the only way I was ever taught. I understand the arguments and just don't think they hold up at all anymore. I believe the truth is easy to understand and fits without force. I find that these verses in the context of Jewish covenants with God, that they clearly tells us about the salvation God provides men and the end of one covenant age and beginning of the other. When God removed His temple from the earth it was because it had fulfilled it's purpose. A temple now it an insult to God and in NO WAY can possibly be a holy place. This alone in my mind destroys the possibility this can happen in the future. Those are just some of my thoughts on this topic. There's SO MUCH more to it we can go forever, but I guess we'll wee where it goes from here. I have still never heard a good explanation for what I've named "The third temple dilemma", as far as God commanding His temple be rebuilt.
RC Archbishop Calls Pooped The Abomination of Desolation
A video by Life Site News quoting leadership in RC church about their pope.
Open Letter also suggests that there's a conflict of interest by those supporting the blessings of homosexual umm unions.
A video by Life Site News quoting leadership in RC church about their pope.
Open Letter also suggests that there's a conflict of interest by those supporting the blessings of homosexual umm unions.
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It is inaccurate teaching to say that GOD destroyed sodom for only for homosexual activities. The list of HIS reasons is given in Ezekiel 16 49-50.
Where we often give 'homosexuality'as the reason, there are actually 6 reasons give in this passage.
I paraphrase here in the order given in Ezekiel probably in order of importance
1. pride
2. gluttony
3. sloth
4. selfishness
5. arrogance
6. committed abomination
There should be no doubt that the abomination was homosexual activity
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/EZK.16.49-50
Where we often give 'homosexuality'as the reason, there are actually 6 reasons give in this passage.
I paraphrase here in the order given in Ezekiel probably in order of importance
1. pride
2. gluttony
3. sloth
4. selfishness
5. arrogance
6. committed abomination
There should be no doubt that the abomination was homosexual activity
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/EZK.16.49-50
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'Blasphemous' same-sex nativity scene angers conservatives in Italy (msn.com)
I just want to point out that "conservatives" in Italy are basically normal people from an American point of view or maybe Liberals.
Because a "conservative" in Italy supports universal healthcare, free education etc.
I just want to point out that "conservatives" in Italy are basically normal people from an American point of view or maybe Liberals.
Because a "conservative" in Italy supports universal healthcare, free education etc.
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I have no idea but all I know is that the Vatican is worse than an average bureaucratic country with their rules and traditions.
I first saw the pope when I was around 17 years old when he was doing a tour in Europe and he was in a bulletproof car with bodyguards.
So later we were joking with our friends if the pope or Silvio Berlusconi (an Italian politician at the time) had better security.
It was like seeing a political figure basically and there wasn’t anything spiritual there.
I first saw the pope when I was around 17 years old when he was doing a tour in Europe and he was in a bulletproof car with bodyguards.
So later we were joking with our friends if the pope or Silvio Berlusconi (an Italian politician at the time) had better security.
It was like seeing a political figure basically and there wasn’t anything spiritual there.
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Well the Vatican has its own diplomatic corps, and I believe they are actually a nation or something like that, are they not? Besides, there was an assassination on a pope about,... 30 years ago? I don't recall. That's why he's now got the Pope-mobile.
But, I was just wondering if there was a way to knock this Francis dude off his perch.
But, I was just wondering if there was a way to knock this Francis dude off his perch.
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Honestly I don’t know, but the reason I mentioned all the bureaucracy is because it’s hard to see a difference between a politician and a man who’s supposedly serving God.
What you said about the split may be more likely and that could change the world forever since they would be motivated by reasons higher than the pope.
What you said about the split may be more likely and that could change the world forever since they would be motivated by reasons higher than the pope.
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