Pope Wants Freedom Of Speech Limited

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raf said:
America still supported the war effort greatly by sending supplies to the allies, so I guess in a way they did it to make money?
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War is always a money and political scam, as a lot of them were done on those basis and not truly on the fact of protecting the innocent. Look at what Bush did when he sent us over there to begin this fight on terrorist, the next thing is he made up lies just to get us back in a conflict that was over but his father did not finish. His father failed at ousting Hussein, so Bush while we was in Afghanistan made up a lie about him having weapons of mass destruction just to get us involved in another war effort against him. The government has been caught being behind a bunch of shady deals leading to a war effort that should have never started to begin with.
You do realize that reports were found showing how some governments have been conspiring to even force the end time events into place.....
 
Mitspa said:
Its called free speech :) We should fight these criminals and bring them to justice....:) Not comfort them and worry about offending them. That's just silly logic that allowed the Nazis to almost destroy the world.
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There you go again relying on the world. Is it because you don't know justice or truth? Do you not trust God to mete out justice? I will trust God to mete out perfect justice for he knows perfect truth. Justice and truth are not of this world.

If you want justice and truth then stop trying to seduce Christians to fight for the secular pagans and the islamic pagans. All you have to do is help us gather and wait for the final day. Even you can join the Christians and we will be happy to have you.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
There you go again relying on the world. Is it because you don't know justice or truth? Do you not trust God to mete out justice? I will trust God to mete out perfect justice for he knows perfect truth. Justice and truth are not of this world.

If you want justice and truth then stop trying to seduce Christians to fight for the secular pagans and the islamic pagans. All you have to do is help us gather and wait for the final day. Even you can join the Christians and we will be happy to have you.
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Well its clear biblically that God has given authority and the sword to men to bring justice on these criminals.... I only uphold Gods love and justice ...and I do that by "free-speech" :)
 
Mitspa said:
Well its clear biblically that God has given authority and the sword to men to bring justice on these criminals.... I only uphold Gods love and justice ...and I do that by "free-speech" :)
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If that were true you would not be trying to send Christians to fight for pagans and die in vain.

What have you not read what Jesus said to John when he asked if he should call down fire like Elijah?

Or have you never heard "they shall beat their swords into plowshares."
 
GodIsSalvation said:
If that were true you would not be trying to send Christians to fight for pagans and die in vain.

What have you not read what Jesus said to John when he asked if he should call down fire like Elijah?

Or have you never heard "they shall beat their swords into plowshares."
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Well its true whether you like to hear it or not and the bible makes it clear that God upholds justice and the use of the sword against these sort of criminals... Don't really care what you think ...you have free speech the same as I do :)
 
Mitspa said:
Well its clear biblically that God has given authority and the sword to men to bring justice on these criminals.... I only uphold Gods love and justice ...and I do that by "free-speech" :)
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I see where you are going, but does that authority neccessarily go to Christians. Lets see what the Lord says about our justice system we have;

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

He says let those who do not follow His ways hand out the punishments, to possibly save that person by making them realize their faults in and through the corrupt system. This is the only way to look at this, because it could not mean kill them. Because once a person is dead their chance at salvation is gone....................
 
kennethcadwell said:
I see where you are going, but does that authority neccessarily go to Christians. Lets see what the Lord says about our justice system we have;

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

He says let those who do not follow His ways hand out the punishments, to possibly save that person by making them realize their faults in and through the corrupt system. This is the only way to look at this, because it could not mean kill them. Because once a person is dead their chance at salvation is gone....................
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Well we are not talking about Christians ...we are talking about criminals islam...but if Billy Grahm starts killing people and breaking the law...we need to bring justice on him as well.
 
Mitspa said:
Well we are not talking about Christians ...we are talking about criminals islam...but if Billy Grahm starts killing people and breaking the law...we need to bring justice on him as well.
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You were talking about justice being handed out. I was answering who that authority was given to by God to issue out that justice, and showed that it is not given necessarily to Christians. As the words from the Lord Himself through Paul call the justice system that of satan. Why would this be, because the system is corrupt and does things not acceptable by God. And that same system you defend now, will eventually turn against us Christians !!!
 
kennethcadwell said:
You were talking about justice being handed out. I was answering who that authority was given to by God to issue out that justice, and showed that it is not given necessarily to Christians. As the words from the Lord Himself through Paul call the justice system that of satan. Why would this be, because the system is corrupt and does things not acceptable by God. And that same system you defend now, will eventually turn against us Christians !!!
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Well im not sure what you talking about with Paul calling the justice system of satan...not sure where you coming up with that... And the authority is that which is in power and is agreement with God and His justice. For instance the Nazis tried t claim this biblical authority and that they was ministers of God in some twisted way...but clearly they was not and when they stood judged by the sword we could see who the true authority was that represented Gods justice...we can judge this authority if it is in agreement with God...
 
kaylagrl said:
Totally agree with you! I dont understand why people cant see this.
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Yeah Muslims are lunatics who don't need any provoking. They think they have a special right to be offended and they have the media running scared.

When these mindless animals go terrorising people the media always seem to codemn the press who speak against these idiots rather that condemning the actions of the lunatics themselves.

Its going to get worse before it gets better.
 
kennethcadwell said:
You were talking about justice being handed out. I was answering who that authority was given to by God to issue out that justice, and showed that it is not given necessarily to Christians. As the words from the Lord Himself through Paul call the justice system that of satan. Why would this be, because the system is corrupt and does things not acceptable by God. And that same system you defend now, will eventually turn against us Christians !!!
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Aye indeed, and in fact that system all ready has turned against us. There are plenty articles here in this very News Section which do testify to that. If they are not enough, behold, every major news network displays daily this fact.

On the whole subject of wars and nations my favorite quote by Paul:

Ephesians 6:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
Mitspa said:
Well im not sure what you talking about with Paul calling the justice system of satan...not sure where you coming up with that... And the authority is that which is in power and is agreement with God and His justice. For instance the Nazis tried t claim this biblical authority and that they was ministers of God in some twisted way...but clearly they was not and when they stood judged by the sword we could see who the true authority was that represented Gods justice...we can judge this authority if it is in agreement with God...
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1 Corinthians 5:5

To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 
kennethcadwell said:
1 Corinthians 5:5

To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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That's not calling the justice system satan...where do you come up with this stuff Kenneth?

here is your words
" As the words from the Lord Himself through Paul call the justice system that of satan" do you really think that's what Paul is saying in this passage? :confused:
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Does Paul say we contend against the principalities, yes or no?
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Sure and He also tells us that God works trough the authority of man to punish criminals and that they are His ministers...I would agree as it relates to the gospel its a spiritual battle... But you have to consider the whole counsel of Gods word and His system of justice...More than that we know He has worked throughout biblical truth through men who took up arms and defended His people.
 
Mitspa said:
Sure and He also tells us that God works trough the authority of man to punish criminals and that they are His ministers...I would agree as it relates to the gospel its a spiritual battle... But you have to consider the whole counsel of Gods word and His system of justice...More than that we know He has worked throughout biblical truth through men who took up arms and defended His people.
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Again I ask you; have you read what Jesus said to John when he asked if he should call down fire like Elijah?

Have you read the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Again I ask you; have you read what Jesus said to John when he asked if he should call down fire like Elijah?

Have you read the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?
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Sure ..have you read how God killed Ananias and saphira ...in the church? you don't understand enough of the bible to put these things in context of their intended truth...Go is a God of order and justice and he has ordained that the sword be used on these type of criminals...

we don't kill these people for rejecting Christ...that's what they do...but we uphold that they not be allowed to kill and murder others...
 
Mitspa said:
Sure ..have you read how God killed Ananias and saphira ...in the church? you don't understand enough of the bible to put these things in context of their intended truth...Go is a God of order and justice and he has ordained that the sword be used on these type of criminals...

we don't kill these people for rejecting Christ...that's what they do...but we uphold that they not be allowed to kill and murder others...
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I have read that. Is it because they kept back some of the proceeds?

You say you don't kill people and you have said in the same sentence before to use the sword to kill people that you deem to be criminals. Is it because you have sided with the principalities of the world that you trust in the world?

Have you ever read "love your enemies and pray for them"?
 
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