Pope Wants Freedom Of Speech Limited

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GodIsSalvation said:
I have read that. Is it because they kept back some of the proceeds?

You say you don't kill people and you have said in the same sentence before to use the sword to kill people that you deem to be criminals. Is it because you have sided with the principalities of the world that you trust in the world?

Have you ever read "love your enemies and pray for them"?
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Sure we pray for folks ...but we don't allow them to kill and slaughter others... and no one has to die if these monsters stop killing people...no one is out to hurt them out of hate... But its clear these people must be brought to justice and restrained from their evil and its clear God approves of this justice for these types of criminals.
 
Mitspa said:
Sure we pray for folks ...but we don't allow them to kill and slaughter others... and no one has to die if these monsters stop killing people...no one is out to hurt them out of hate... But its clear these people must be brought to justice and restrained from their evil and its clear God approves of this justice for these types of criminals.
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Justice will come for them at the end of the world for justice is not of the world. Behold I will give you a true sword.

As it is touching on Islam, your form of justice resembles the verses of the koran very much. This is why bullets and bombs will not avail you against Islam for you have played into the very law of Islam when you do such.

As it is if you trully want to defeat Islam and you trully love the people that are enslaved and oppressed by it remember this.

"Love your enemies and pray for them."

That is the verse that defeats Islam for it is the verse that defies all Islam. That is the verse that has led many to be freed from Islam. We will continue this conversation at a later time. Think on it for a night.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Justice will come for them at the end of the world for justice is not of the world. Behold I will give you a true sword.

As it is touching on Islam, your form of justice resembles the verses of the koran very much. This is why bullets and bombs will not avail you against Islam for you have played into the very law of Islam when you do such.

As it is if you trully want to defeat Islam and you trully love the people that are enslaved and oppressed by it remember this.

"Love your enemies and pray for them."

That is the verse that defeats Islam for it is the verse that defies all Islam. That is the verse that has led many to be freed from Islam. We will continue this conversation at a later time. Think on it for a night.
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"Not what he wishes and prays for does a man receive but that which he justly earns".

If a man broke into your house and was going to hurt a family member and you had the means to defend yourself......by what you are saying, you would pray a blessing on the perp?

I understand your idealism but it denies the fact that we were created in three parts...body mind and soul 1st Thess 5:24,25

We are designed for relationship and relationship requires that we stay alive and protect the precious gift of life to the best of our ability.

Your line of thinking puts yourself on that cross and you could never handle it, nor be enough.....even in all your religion.
 
Sirk said:
"Not what he wishes and prays for does a man receive but that which he justly earns".

If a man broke into your house and was going to hurt a family member and you had the means to defend yourself......by what you are saying, you would pray a blessing on the perp?

I understand your idealism but it denies the fact that we were created in three parts...body mind and soul 1st Thess 5:24,25

We are designed for relationship and relationship requires that we stay alive and protect the precious gift of life to the best of our ability.

Your line of thinking puts yourself on that cross and you could never handle it, nor be enough.....even in all your religion.
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Have you read "take up your cross and follow me"?

Or have you read "the pride of life is not of the Father"?

So for to you, think on that for a night and we shall carry on this conversation in the morrow.
 
Mitspa said:
That's not calling the justice system satan...where do you come up with this stuff Kenneth?

here is your words
" As the words from the Lord Himself through Paul call the justice system that of satan" do you really think that's what Paul is saying in this passage? :confused:
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How else do you turn one over to satan to destroy his flesh, so that his spirit can be saved ???
This is speaking as in it can be applied to the corrupt justice system that we have now, rather it be political or judicial. When you catch somebody doing wrong you hand them over to the corrupt system, and let them deal with it. In by doing this hopefully it will make them realize the wrong and turn from it, saving their spirit.....
 
kennethcadwell said:
How else do you turn one over to satan to destroy his flesh, so that his spirit can be saved ???
This is speaking as in it can be applied to the corrupt justice system that we have now, rather it be political or judicial. When you catch somebody doing wrong you hand them over to the corrupt system, and let them deal with it. In by doing this hopefully it will make them realize the wrong and turn from it, saving their spirit.....
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What if the corrupt system pulls them apart by the arms and legs? Is that "loving" your enemy? Your logic is flawed.
 
Sirk said:
What if the corrupt system pulls them apart by the arms and legs? Is that "loving" your enemy? Your logic is flawed.
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No my logic is not flawed for I can not control what others do, as all I can do is live my life as the Lord tells me to live in His Word. In which the Holy Spirit guides me and keeps me walking in.
 
kennethcadwell said:
No my logic is not flawed for I can not control what others do, as all I can do is live my life as the Lord tells me to live in His Word. In which the Holy Spirit guides me and keeps me walking in.
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Answer the question....if a corrupt system's punishment is more than the offense deserves....such as painful death.....what do you do???

For instance...being gay in Iran. It is your duty to report the offense....is it not? If not you are disobeying scripture by not submitting to authorities....are you not? What will you do?
 
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where we live now. today. doctors who are 'supposed' to protect life and heal people, instead destroy lives (every day) and make people sicker, daily......

it is written, Yahweh's Own Word and Revelation of Yahshua to John _ > the enemy will be given power to kill the ekklesia.

and, in answer to prayers for justice and VENGEANCE quickly from Yahweh to those who murder the innocents, Yahweh says
wait a little longer, until the rest of the believers who will be executed(beheaded) for their faith have given their lives, then I will
execute MY VENGEANCE on EARTH QUICKLY, JUSTLY, PERFECTLY, without any error.


Sirk said:
Answer the question....if a corrupt system's punishment is more than the offense deserves....such as painful death.....what do you do???...
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Sirk said:
Answer the question....if a corrupt system's punishment is more than the offense deserves....such as painful death.....what do you do???

For instance...being gay in Iran. It is your duty to report the offense....is it not? If not you are disobeying scripture by not submitting to authorities....are you not? What will you do?
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The thing is by who's standards though ???

Just like even here in the U.S. we have our morals given to us by God, but are governmental system still passes laws and has passed laws that are against God's morals. When this is the case the bible always says do not go over man's laws over His. Which is why many of God's people got in trouble with the authorities in the bible, and even in the past. Because they continued to do what God told them to do, over what the laws of the land and those in authority told them not to. You can always as a Christian stand up for your religious rights, and in some cases could mean death for doing that. Never the less you are still to do His will rather your life is on the line or not.
 
kennethcadwell said:
The thing is by who's standards though ???

Just like even here in the U.S. we have our morals given to us by God, but are governmental system still passes laws and has passed laws that are against God's morals. When this is the case the bible always says do not go over man's laws over His. Which is why many of God's people got in trouble with the authorities in the bible, and even in the past. Because they continued to do what God told them to do, over what the laws of the land and those in authority told them not to. You can always as a Christian stand up for your religious rights, and in some cases could mean death for doing that. Never the less you are still to do His will rather your life is on the line or not.
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You simply can't answer the question because when you carry your line of reasoning out to the end, you find yourself stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If you turn the guy in you are not loving him and if you don't you are directly disobeying scripture that says you are to submit to authorities......aside from the fact that an unspoken lie is a lie nonetheless.
 
Sirk said:
You simply can't answer the question because when you carry your line of reasoning out to the end, you find yourself stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If you turn the guy in you are not loving him and if you don't you are directly disobeying scripture that says you are to submit to authorities......aside from the fact that an unspoken lie is a lie nonetheless.
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I have answered the question twice now, and sorry it was not to your liking but you can not have it both ways.
You can not follow Christ in one area, and deny Him in others. To deny Him in just one area, the bible says is a complete disobedience to Him. And then the bible says those who are disobedient will be give a place in the lake of fire with the unbelievers. (Luke 12:46)
 
kennethcadwell said:
I have answered the question twice now, and sorry it was not to your liking but you can not have it both ways.
You can not follow Christ in one area, and deny Him in others. To deny Him in just one area, the bible says is a complete disobedience to Him. And then the bible says those who are disobedient will be give a place in the lake of fire with the unbelievers. (Luke 12:46)
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I'm not talking about your life....I'm talking about the life of someone who is in YOUR hands. You have some serious self deception or God complex going on there. The answer is you either turn someone in or you do not.....in which way do you choose to disobey scripture?
 
Sirk said:
I'm not talking about your life....I'm talking about the life of someone who is in YOUR hands. You have some serious self deception or God complex going on there. The answer is you either turn someone in or you do not.....in which way do you choose to disobey scripture?
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Does the bible say turn them over to satan, or does it say turn them over to safety ???
 
I'm sorry man but you either have to obey Jesus words or disobey them. There is no other alternative. You got yourself stuck in a never ending circle of nonsense.
 
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I don't know about the Pope, because his message seem to be universal many times instead of directed to Christians. But if his message is directed to Christians, then I agree that we should limit our words. We as Christians don't have freedoms, for we are "slaves of Christ" (1 Corinthians 7:22). We are responsible for our words and should know better than the world. This is why I'm not Charlie. I'm all for freedom of speech, but as a Christian, I do not condone an organization that profits from, most importantly, making fun of my faith, but also other religions.
I do not expect better from them though because they don't have Christ in them, and by no means is the attack against them ever justified. But I do not support Charlie Hebdo and what they do. I support the gospel. I support calling out Islam evil, but doing so in love, not out of revenge or hatred.
 
Mitspa said:
Well you can call yourself a pagan...but the folks I know and love here in the good ole USA are for the most part Christian...and just as we had to defend our country from the pagans Nazis...its time to defend ourselves from these pagan Islamist.... And you can call justice a vain thing if you want? But justice and freedom have made us a great Christian nation...above all other nations we are blessed because we have liberty to preach and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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We've been handed a lie and you want to embrace it. July Fourth and going to Sunday worship, the good ol' days where people were wholesome and kind and good to each other. (Forget about the racism against the Irish, Africans, Italians, Chinese, and the Natives.)

We've been handed a lie about a place that never existed and a time that is entirely made up "a la Leave it to Beaver". We will not be defended by our Bibles and our Guns. There are no bootstrappers that picked themselves up by them.

We are the children of God, brothers and sisters of Christ...that exists long before our citizenship. We serve the oldest "nation" in History. A Kingdom that began at the very beginning of the universe. Forgive me if to me, that is far more important than a nation that came into existence over 200 years ago over not wanting to pay taxes that were owed.
 
Sirk said:
I'm sorry man but you either have to obey Jesus words or disobey them. There is no other alternative. You got yourself stuck in a never ending circle of nonsense.
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I am not stuck nowhere, as I will obey His words over what the world does.
If the world tells me to do something contradictory to His word, I would not do it !!!
 
ThomistColin said:
We've been handed a lie and you want to embrace it. July Fourth and going to Sunday worship, the good ol' days where people were wholesome and kind and good to each other. (Forget about the racism against the Irish, Africans, Italians, Chinese, and the Natives.)

We've been handed a lie about a place that never existed and a time that is entirely made up "a la Leave it to Beaver". We will not be defended by our Bibles and our Guns. There are no bootstrappers that picked themselves up by them.

We are the children of God, brothers and sisters of Christ...that exists long before our citizenship. We serve the oldest "nation" in History. A Kingdom that began at the very beginning of the universe. Forgive me if to me, that is far more important than a nation that came into existence over 200 years ago over not wanting to pay taxes that were owed.
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Well im sorry if you don't see how the righteous people of God that dwell in this country are what makes this country special to God...and as long as we are in in this country..This country will be blessed by God as it has been...Now if you cant see the goodness of this country and its people...then you have your eyes closed to the truth...I have traveled the world and no country no where can compare to what we have here....and any country that has anything has it in large part because of the blessing that is on Gods people here.
 
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