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jacko said:

In Simple Terms​


Finitude = Being a creature, not the Creator.
It means:


  • We don’t know everything.
  • We can’t control everything.
  • We don’t live forever on our own.
  • We need God.
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Thanks for letting me know, and God bless!
 
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jacko said:
I learned this from Elizabeth Elliott. Suffering is having something you don't want or not having something you want.
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By that logic everybody creates his own suffering, and everybody should in theory be able to negate his own suffering by changing what he wants.

Also you would be able to create suffering in your dog by eating something in front of him. Eating a sandwich where your dog can see it would be something the SPCA should investigate.

I have to disagree with Ms Elliott's definition.
 
Lynx said:
By that logic everybody creates his own suffering, and everybody should in theory be able to negate his own suffering by changing what he wants.

Also you would be able to create suffering in your dog by eating something in front of him. Eating a sandwich where your dog can see it would be something the SPCA should investigate.

I have to disagree with Ms Elliott's definition.
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When they are out of your control. You can control the inputs (Chemo treatment) but not the outcome (cure of cancer.) If you can change it, by definition there would not be a need to suffer. If are hungry but you have bread, you aren't suffering because you can eat the bread, but if you can't work because you are handicap and have no bread, then you are suffering.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Some words which comfort.

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
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To say it is one thing, to mean it is another. Paul's faith was radical as God's grace towards him was radical.
Personally, I have not met a human who gladly suffered.
 
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jacko said:
To say it is one thing, to mean it is another. Paul's faith was radical as God's grace towards him was radical.
Personally, I have not met a human who gladly suffered.
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It depends on one's definition of suffering. By your definition, suffering gladly would be an oxymoron.

But the suffering Paul did gladly was not suffering according to your definition.
 
Lynx said:
It depends on one's definition of suffering. By your definition, suffering gladly would be an oxymoron.

But the suffering Paul did gladly was not suffering according to your definition.
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Have you suffered? If so, what was it liike for you? What did you learn?

I don't know @jacko personally but when he joined this forum, he had lost his job. He was suffering not being able to get a another job and feeling pressure from his wife.

But he really did grow and mature in his faith. God made note of that to me. I don't know if @jacko knows that he glorified God in his suffering.


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