Predestination is misunderstood...
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Yes ... not outside or apart from Christ the Lord but outside the church certainly.
We are predestined and chosen to be transformed to the image of God's Son
We are chosen in Christ to be a people for the praise of God's glorious grace ... these are crown jewels.
It excludes nobody from being saved.
We are chosen to be a city set upon a hill, to exclude everybody? NO but as a beacon of hope so that the lost and hurt and needy can see us and find succour and refuge.
Church has got this doctrine wrong Calvin or Arminius. Arminius was so incensed against Calvin that he not only threw out Calvinism he also stupidly threw out Paul. And of course came up with his own monstrosity ... human freewill.
It is 1, 000 times worse than Calvin.
We are predestined and chosen to be transformed to the image of God's Son
We are chosen in Christ to be a people for the praise of God's glorious grace ... these are crown jewels.
It excludes nobody from being saved.
We are chosen to be a city set upon a hill, to exclude everybody? NO but as a beacon of hope so that the lost and hurt and needy can see us and find succour and refuge.
Church has got this doctrine wrong Calvin or Arminius. Arminius was so incensed against Calvin that he not only threw out Calvinism he also stupidly threw out Paul. And of course came up with his own monstrosity ... human freewill.
It is 1, 000 times worse than Calvin.
While no epistle would say this at the beginning, the very fact that Paul told the Philippian jailer "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" IMPLIES a free will decision to believe. Agrippa said to Paul "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" (Acts 26:28). Had he been persuaded, would that not have been a free will decision? What about the 3,000 Jews who were saved on the day of Pentecost? Were they not convicted, and made free will decisions to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?
The whole point of preaching the Gospel is for sinners to RESPOND to the Gospel. And such a response is in fact a free will decision. God will compel none to be saved, and God will exclude none from salvation.
The whole point of preaching the Gospel is for sinners to RESPOND to the Gospel. And such a response is in fact a free will decision. God will compel none to be saved, and God will exclude none from salvation.
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bravo
Christian literature beats freewill into folk's head in the same way that science literature beats evolution in to folk's heads, it is brainwash. Anybody who disagrees gets laughed to scorn ... or worse they get beat up.
The human freewill doctrine is a foothold which the devil has gotten into the church, a beach head from whence he carries on his operations. It's this doctrine from whence temporary salvation comes from and the works for salvation.
... it is the cause why ministers of high repute fall from grace.
Christian literature beats freewill into folk's head in the same way that science literature beats evolution in to folk's heads, it is brainwash. Anybody who disagrees gets laughed to scorn ... or worse they get beat up.
The human freewill doctrine is a foothold which the devil has gotten into the church, a beach head from whence he carries on his operations. It's this doctrine from whence temporary salvation comes from and the works for salvation.
... it is the cause why ministers of high repute fall from grace.
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The Puritans used to say that "God is irresistible in His day of power" I know this.
That Jailor was shaken out of his wits, desperate and ready to sink beyond all help, he was going to kill himself, he was in no state to resist God. Nor was Paul on the road to Damascus, the 3, 000 on the day of Pentecost were pricked in their hearts ... inwardly their will was collapsed.
Agrippa on the other hand was totally in bondage, his will was bound by sin and ambition.
That Jailor was shaken out of his wits, desperate and ready to sink beyond all help, he was going to kill himself, he was in no state to resist God. Nor was Paul on the road to Damascus, the 3, 000 on the day of Pentecost were pricked in their hearts ... inwardly their will was collapsed.
Agrippa on the other hand was totally in bondage, his will was bound by sin and ambition.
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The OLD FASHIONED preaching of say Wesley and Whitefield was not to preach a sermon to which sinners might [or might not] respond. Not designed to convince the intellect or pull the heart strings.
Their preaching was a message that God could send down the Holy Ghost upon to compel the people to believe. That's why people fell to the ground crying out with loud roarings.
Their preaching was a message that God could send down the Holy Ghost upon to compel the people to believe. That's why people fell to the ground crying out with loud roarings.
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Good day, Pilgrim .
. Hey, you seem to think I am saying believers are slaves to sin. Yikes. I dunno
why you would think that. Once set free from our slavery to sin, we become slaves of Christ .
And what are we set free from? Yes! Freed from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2
. Hey, you seem to think I am saying believers are slaves to sin. Yikes. I dunno why you would think that. Once set free from our slavery to sin, we become slaves of Christ .
And what are we set free from? Yes! Freed from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2
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Good day, Pilgrim .. Hey, you seem to think I am saying believers are slaves to sin. Yikes. I dunno
why you would think that. Once set free from our slavery to sin, we become slaves of Christ .
And what are we set free from? Yes! Freed from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2
. Hey, you seem to think I am saying believers are slaves to sin. Yikes. I dunno why you would think that. Once set free from our slavery to sin, we become slaves of Christ .
And what are we set free from? Yes! Freed from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2
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First and foremost, God, before He began Creation already "chose" how His creation would be saved. Jesus Christ. Anyone saved would have to be in Him, in Jesus. The only election and chosen in Ephesians is WHO God designated to save. You cannot save me and I cannot save you. So, we are not chosen to do this job. Only Jesus is chosen and if you are saved it's because you are in Him (Jesus).
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amen Christ is the elect and those in him
“And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:17-25 KJV
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 26-27, 29 KJV
thy seed, which is Christ.
and because he is , then also those in him are
as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
“And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:17-25 KJV
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 26-27, 29 KJV
thy seed, which is Christ.
and because he is , then also those in him are
as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
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By God's enabling power of grace at the point of salvation?
We manifested "freed" will.
Not, free will.
Our will was made free to choose.
Grace suppresses our sin nature as to allow our soul to choose, made free of the oppression and dominance of our flesh.
That is why we needed to be saved by "grace."
Without grace, our flesh would have prevented our choosing for Christ..
For without grace controlling our sin nature?
No one would be free to believe with our soul in God, let alone Christ.
Its your flesh that destroys free will.
Keep the flesh in check by God applying grace to suppress it?
Suddenly, your soul will be able to choose sans the dominance of the sin nature in our flesh.
grace and peace .............
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Why could not someone chose to reject Christ if grace made them free to choose?
Choose like Satan and his angels were free to do?
If someone did that? Satan and his angels would see how they were without excuse when they rejected...
God is also dealing with angels, not just man.
Some do not yet realize that...
Choose like Satan and his angels were free to do?
If someone did that? Satan and his angels would see how they were without excuse when they rejected...
God is also dealing with angels, not just man.
Some do not yet realize that...