Predestination is misunderstood...
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I will have to report this as it is sexist. In Australia men don't have "fannies" (leastwise not the real ones) only women do so you have discriminated against us "fairer sex". Humph!.
ps. just joking with ya.
ps. just joking with ya.
I just looked it up for how its used in other parts of the world...
Here is American ... It simply means "buttocks."
But, keep in mind. You Aussies and Brits also drive on the wrong side of the road..... So its no wonder .
I believe Moses and Elijah were "fully saved" by grace through faith during their lifetimes.
We, in our day and time, are "fully saved" by grace through faith. The born again ones are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession (Ephesians 1:13-14).
Born again believers are not waiting to be saved ... we already are saved. We're awaiting the redemption of the purchased possession ... at which point we will be transformed and we shall see Him as He is. Until the redemption of the purchased possession, we are maturing and God is working in us to rid us of things which are not beneficial to us (and we sometimes hang on to what we need to have removed).
Romans 1:17 tells us For in it [the gospel] the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
the just shall live by faith ... salvation has always been by faith. It's not from works to faith or from faith to works, but from faith to faith. The justified ones live by faith. It is a continuous walk of faith in this lifetime.
Have you ever looked into the earnest [the arrabōn]? I'd be interested in your understanding if you have any info on that. Thanks!
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We, in our day and time, are "fully saved" by grace through faith. The born again ones are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession (Ephesians 1:13-14).
Born again believers are not waiting to be saved ... we already are saved. We're awaiting the redemption of the purchased possession ... at which point we will be transformed and we shall see Him as He is. Until the redemption of the purchased possession, we are maturing and God is working in us to rid us of things which are not beneficial to us (and we sometimes hang on to what we need to have removed).
Romans 1:17 tells us For in it [the gospel] the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
the just shall live by faith ... salvation has always been by faith. It's not from works to faith or from faith to works, but from faith to faith. The justified ones live by faith. It is a continuous walk of faith in this lifetime.
Have you ever looked into the earnest [the arrabōn]? I'd be interested in your understanding if you have any info on that. Thanks!
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You are quoting from Romans, although you did not reference it.
(19) - The carnal man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, before he has been born again of the Holy Spirit, What can be known of God is not plain to them, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.
(20) - God's eternal power and divine nature has not been clearly perceived by the natural man, who does not perceive the things of the Spirit.
(21) - The carnal man cannot know a spiritual God. Romans 8:7 - Because the carnal man is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be.
(22) - Rom 1:22 - Professing themselves to be wise they became fools and changed the glory of God. The natural man could not have changed the glory of the uncorruptible God because they did not know the glory of God, as did Stephen, Acts 7:59, and they stoned Stephen.
This is nothing but a strawman argument. Everyone who has posted in this thread agrees that salvation is wholly of/by/from God.
That you equate faith as some sort of "choice of men" does not transform faith into your stated claim.
Again, this is nothing but a strawman argument.
Because for some reason, some folks believe faith is some sort of work on the part of man even though God clearly states that faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
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That you equate faith as some sort of "choice of men" does not transform faith into your stated claim.
Again, this is nothing but a strawman argument.
Because for some reason, some folks believe faith is some sort of work on the part of man even though God clearly states that faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
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You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
The denial of God is what changes the Glory of God to them.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
The denial of God is what changes the Glory of God to them.
Yes, HeIsHere, in agreement.
However, it seems to me PaulThomson is talking about our day-to-day fellowship with the Father as opposed to God having saved us.
Once we are born again ("saved"), we are children of God. He is our Father and we are His children and continue to be His children in this lifetime and in new heaven/new earth.
However, as children, we sometimes disobey ... ignore ... are drawn away from Father ... etc., etc. This does not mean we are no longer children; however, it affects our fellowship with Father ... and we are chastened by Him if and when we do stray.
God is faithful and He always welcomes us back with open arms when we realize we have left Him and turn back to Him.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
yes yes yes ... something I have been trying to get through to those who insist that faith is some sort of "work" on the part of mankind.
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However, it seems to me PaulThomson is talking about our day-to-day fellowship with the Father as opposed to God having saved us.
Once we are born again ("saved"), we are children of God. He is our Father and we are His children and continue to be His children in this lifetime and in new heaven/new earth.
However, as children, we sometimes disobey ... ignore ... are drawn away from Father ... etc., etc. This does not mean we are no longer children; however, it affects our fellowship with Father ... and we are chastened by Him if and when we do stray.
God is faithful and He always welcomes us back with open arms when we realize we have left Him and turn back to Him.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
yes yes yes ... something I have been trying to get through to those who insist that faith is some sort of "work" on the part of mankind.
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He came to his own (the Jews) and they rejected him. They rejected him, and began to worship idols when Moses was on the mountain receiving God's laws written in stone. He then blinded their eyes to see the truth. God did not reject them as his elect and they still have the promise of an inheritance of heaven. He left in the midst of them a remnant that would follow his truths (Zeph 3:11-13).
