Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Chrurch.

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nathan3 said:
He teaches that is the business of Christ of who is Saved and who is not. That is between God and the individual, Not for us to judge.
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Paul calls out specific people who preach heresies. He makes sure that the new Believers didn't fall prey to the Judaizers and Gnostics.
You are currently calling zone out for being judgmental. Aren't you doing the same thing she's doing?
Hypocrisy at it's finest
 
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LT said:
Paul calls out specific people who preach heresies. He makes sure that the new Believers didn't fall prey to the Judaizers and Gnostics.
You are currently calling zone out for being judgmental. Aren't you doing the same thing she's doing?
Hypocrisy at it's finest
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Perhaps........perhaps not. If any christian called her out on this, what would they be called? I find the word "hero" is never used.....too positive. CC history shows most all of them are called bad names.......Funny..... not a hero in the bunch.
 
SarahM777 said:
UMMM Just because one says they are a Christian does that make them one?
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Ummmm just because one says that doesn't mean wisdom. It could be projection.

Then again, because I said this it will be interpreted as projection. Thought I would say that first before they do. :rolleyes:
 
LT said:
Paul calls out specific people who preach heresies. He makes sure that the new Believers didn't fall prey to the Judaizers and Gnostics.
You are currently calling zone out for being judgmental. Aren't you doing the same thing she's doing?
Hypocrisy at it's finest
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Just out of curiosity LT, since she does the same things as you say, why did you miss saying the same to her? Just curious.
 
nathan3 said:
He teaches that is the business of Christ of who is Saved and who is not. That is between God and the individual, Not for us to judge.
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no nathan....i have heard Pastor Murray say: "God doesn't know who will be saved - NEITHER DOES HE WANT TO KNOW."

please....let's not play games with this.
 
Stephen63 said:
Just out of curiosity LT, since she does the same things as you say, why did you miss saying the same to her? Just curious.
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i would have. I don't see the post where she calls him out for being judgmental while judging him in the same post. If you can link then I will tell her the same thing.
 
LT said:
i would have. I don't see the post where she calls him out for being judgmental while judging him in the same post. If you can link then I will tell her the same thing.
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i'll make it easy for you LT.
Stephen hates the fact that i'm a cessationist and don't believe he got da gifs.

k?

there.
 
It matters not what denomination or church anyone belongs to. What is important is that we all follow the Word of God and love and obey Him. In my opinion it is not up to any of us mere mortals to judge (although we can discern) any Christian. True believers will need to stick together against the forces of evil which are about to ramp up big time.

While I don't agree with everything Zone and Angela believe in and they don't agree with everything I write, but I trust that they are genuine Christians and most likely in a class far above the rank in file in their personal relationships with Jesus. I don't know much about the particulars of Lutheran theology but if they oppose the Pre-Trib Rapture, they are way ahead of my former Baptist denomination.

Anyone who takes to time to come on here and share their thoughts and views with other Christians in a positive way honors our Lord and Savior.
 
I do not find that the LCMS claims to be infallible. However, what they say and how they present themselves are very different. "Bible" studies teach the Catechism or the Book of Concord. Ask a question about what God taught and you'll be referred to something in the Catechism. You might as well not even have a Bible because they'd have you believe everything you need to know about the Bible has been conveniently placed in the catechism where it has been reworded in a way easier to understand. Some people might call this interpreting and that is bound to include errors somewhere along the way. I like the fact that the print Bibles have been interpreted by experts from a wide variety of denominations and so the information does not reflect one point of view only. I will not use a Catechism or any other book to tell me what the Bible Believes. If the LCMS were to actually go back to teaching the Bible, maybe their numbers would climb.
 
Diogenes said:
I do not find that the LCMS claims to be infallible. However, what they say and how they present themselves are very different. "Bible" studies teach the Catechism or the Book of Concord. Ask a question about what God taught and you'll be referred to something in the Catechism. You might as well not even have a Bible because they'd have you believe everything you need to know about the Bible has been conveniently placed in the catechism where it has been reworded in a way easier to understand. Some people might call this interpreting and that is bound to include errors somewhere along the way. I like the fact that the print Bibles have been interpreted by experts from a wide variety of denominations and so the information does not reflect one point of view only. I will not use a Catechism or any other book to tell me what the Bible Believes. If the LCMS were to actually go back to teaching the Bible, maybe their numbers would climb.
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I've had similar experience except they will teach from Scripture...only thing, if there is a dispute they go to and end up at the BOC.
This is a little ironic coming from the champions of the Reformation with the battle cry of SOLA SCRIPTURA!!!
 
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