It's not a ridiculous questions, it's an intelligent question. if you claim something is true then you should be able to back up that claim without attacking the person smart enough to ask.
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It's not a ridiculous questions, it's an intelligent question. if you claim something is true then you should be able to back up that claim without attacking the person smart enough to ask.
The thing is no one has provided any evidence at all forcreationism. ZERO
What is seen is attacks (and not very good ones) onevolution
Attacks on Darwin
And personal attacks on anyone who dares to not agree
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Yeah, that pretty much aligns with wishful thinking and believing in what you prefer to be true.
The problem is when I honestly look for proof or evidence the evidence or lack thereof points the other way.
Start your own thread.
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richie_2uk
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megaman125
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We've been over this before and how you misused this passage, and how that's not what faith means. That's why you're an ear plugging denialist.
Then go look for the evidence yourself. You don't need us to do that. Your goal is to just get us to waste our time spoon feeding you so you can just plug your ears, shut your eyes, and say "no, it's not true, I don't want it to be true, it's not convincing enough."
One could say the same about you in regards to evolution.
Anyway what is the ultimate agreed upon definition of faith?
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ddallen
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IronChariots just mentioned that when he looked for proofs or evidence - It all pointed back to evolution. Constantly coming up with statements like above gives the impression that you do not fully understand your beliefs. If one passionately believes in something then one should be able to articulate the reasons why they believe it is so. If biblical creation is true - then those people who support it should be out there proving it to be true, and that proof should be able to stand up to scrutiny. I will never say 'I don't believe it so it is wrong' I will study what is placed before me and use empirical evidence and research to determine if the results are a correct an logical outcome of the data.
If you want a start - look at Dr. Humphries (a YEC Scientist) use of White Hole Cosmology to solve the distant starlight problem (that is what is known as a freebie)
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megaman125
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Then he's free to believe that if he wants. He doesn't need my approval, just like I don't need to prove anything to someone who's already made up their mind to get their approval for my beliefs.
Oh, I do know where I stand. I just don't need to justify it and waste my time trying to convince those who don't want to be convinced.
And by scrutiny you mean that the people who don't want to believe no matter what will somehow become magically convinced even though they block it out with all their might.
There are plenty of people who have more than adequately supported Biblical creationism. The information is out there, and if you care to look for it, it's not too hard to find.
Great, you don't need me to do that for you. If you want to do the research, then do it. If you want someplace to start and begin to understand the Christian perspective, go to answersingenesis.org. Again, you don't need me for anything else.
That is what creationists say when presented evidence.
IronChariots has not said anything of the sort about the evidencefor creatioism…but then no one has presented evidence
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CoooCaw
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The bible talks about evoluton.
It is described in one place as a cunningly devised fable....
http://finaljobministeries.org/DayOneR.pdf
It is described in one place as a cunningly devised fable....
http://finaljobministeries.org/DayOneR.pdf
The main idea of Humphries white hole cosmology is that the world was created inside a black hole andthat earth was subjected to intense time dilation so billions of years could have passed outside the field while only a few days would pass inside it.
This idea is notbased on any observable data.
The idea requiresthat the universe outside the solar system is as old as contemporary scientists hold it to be about 14 billion years. They then say that while all this time passed outside the vicinity of the earth, only six days (the genesis creation week)passed on earth. Humphries states thatthe black hole from which the universe came from was an even 2 light years across, a nice even number that seems to fit his theory perfectly. Sadly the math doesn’t work. This solar system wide black hole supposedly encompassedall the matter in the observable universe, a number estimated at 3*10^55g. (Curious About Astronomy: What is the mass of the Universe?)
The size of a black hole can be determined with the Schearzchild equation
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R is the radiusof the black hole
G is the gravitational constant.
M is the mass of the black hole.
C is the speed of light.
Solving the equation with the stated mass gives aSchwarzschild radius of 47 billion light years.
Which BTW is about the same size at the visible universe
Worse for this whole idea the that the stars outside the dilation field would still beemitting light towards earth at the same rate which would have to be compressed into six days of time, which would cause celestial objects outside the dilation field to appear roughly 8.3 trillion times brighter inside the field, raising temperature of the earth to levels higher than the surface of the sun.
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CoooCaw
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The evidence for creation is the fact that all the observable evidence is consistent with the Biblical account of the creation and the flood.
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wwjd_kilden
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Still the logic is strange, why would not the other evolved apes disappear if we are "better"?
Personally, though this is a highly unscientific claim, I feel evolution makes no sense because we seem to "devolve" ,
we cause more damage to ourself and the environment than good.
Besides, kindly show me one single example of a GOOD mutation. The ones I know of lead to illnesses, not new species.
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ddallen
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Who says we are better. In the jungle - an ape is more suited to the environment than us, in the sea fishes and cetaceans are better than us. What do you mean about a good mutation? the vast majority of mutations are benign - they don't go anywhere. A mutation will only propagate favorably if it occurs at the same time as an ecological or environmental bottle neck. I agree that we, as humans, d more harm than good to the environment - that is not evolution, just stupidity.Still the logic is strange, why would not the other evolved apes disappear if we are "better"?
Personally, though this is a highly unscientific claim, I feel evolution makes no sense because we seem to "devolve" ,
we cause more damage to ourself and the environment than good.
Besides, kindly show me one single example of a GOOD mutation. The ones I know of lead to illnesses, not new species.
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ddallen
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ddallen
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The amount of time wasted telling me that you are not going to waste time proving your beliefs - you could have just supplied the evidence
Still the logic is strange, why would not the other evolved apes disappear if we are "better"?
Personally, though this is a highly unscientific claim, I feel evolution makes no sense because we seem to "devolve" ,
we cause more damage to ourself and the environment than good.
Besides, kindly show me one single example of a GOOD mutation. The ones I know of lead to illnesses, not new species.
More attacks against evolution and no evidence
for creation. I think the OP made that quite clear.
According to Answers in Genesis (a Christian website) this is an argument creationists shouldn't use.
It is number 4 in the list.
Arguments Creationists Should Avoid - Answers in Genesis
Are there beneficial mutations? Why, yes.
Feedback: Are There Beneficial Mutations? - Answers in Genesis
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megaman125
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You're right, I am a fool for wasting my time, because you set this up to be a waste. I already told you, if you want evidence, start the research yourself. I even gave you answersingenesis.org. If you don't like it, or it's not good enough for you, or if you don't deem it to be evidence, I don't care.