Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century
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We are living in the last days, and we can clearly see that we are experiencing is the “falling away” as Paul wrote about the last days. Exhortations Jesus gave to the 7 churches in Asia, written by John in Revelation, are also being practiced by most Catholic and Protestant churches today. The true church is living in a most dangerous time.
The basic false premise, beginning in the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century, by the doctrines of Ignatius, Marcion, and Tertullian (Tertullian's doctrine started the charismatic movement), is that salvation for the Jews is through the universal Gentile church. This philosophy, separating the Jews from the Gentiles, was adopted by the Roman Catholics first, and after the reformation, many of these Catholic doctrines permeated the Protestant religions. Now a false New Testament doctrine is dominate in most denominations today be excluding the Old Testament as irrelevant for today. (See John 4:7-22)
Many scripture references are taken out of context to separate the Jews from the Gentile religion. That is why so many use scripture to say that the New Covenant cannot include the words God spoke in the Old Covenant.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in Revelation 2:6 is related to a proselyte whose name was Nicolas, esteemed by the first gentile church as a saint, and His first name being Santa. The evil Nimrod (Baal) was also called Nicolas and Christmas is celebrated on his birthday. That's a very small part of a very big deception. The church has accepted many falsehoods that have replaced the feasts that are everlasting in the Torah. These feasts (according to the New Covenant) are supposed to be observed Spiritually by the church. Tabernacles will be observed during the 1000 year reign of Christ. (See Zechariah 14:16-19)
Nicolaitans - Why does God HATE them?
It's time for the true elect church, who sincerely “fear the Lord,” to be told the truth before Christ comes back. (Hebrews 4:1). A few things to keep in mind while studying these things are …..
1. The doctrine of Balaam is a doctrine of compromise with pagan practices.
2. The seven churches in Asia were Gentile.
3. Revelation talks about the church of Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) that had left its “first love,” referring to the salvation coming to the Gentiles through the Jews, representing the foreshadowing of the fulfillment. (See Deuteronomy 6:1-6)
The basic false premise, beginning in the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century, by the doctrines of Ignatius, Marcion, and Tertullian (Tertullian's doctrine started the charismatic movement), is that salvation for the Jews is through the universal Gentile church. This philosophy, separating the Jews from the Gentiles, was adopted by the Roman Catholics first, and after the reformation, many of these Catholic doctrines permeated the Protestant religions. Now a false New Testament doctrine is dominate in most denominations today be excluding the Old Testament as irrelevant for today. (See John 4:7-22)
Many scripture references are taken out of context to separate the Jews from the Gentile religion. That is why so many use scripture to say that the New Covenant cannot include the words God spoke in the Old Covenant.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in Revelation 2:6 is related to a proselyte whose name was Nicolas, esteemed by the first gentile church as a saint, and His first name being Santa. The evil Nimrod (Baal) was also called Nicolas and Christmas is celebrated on his birthday. That's a very small part of a very big deception. The church has accepted many falsehoods that have replaced the feasts that are everlasting in the Torah. These feasts (according to the New Covenant) are supposed to be observed Spiritually by the church. Tabernacles will be observed during the 1000 year reign of Christ. (See Zechariah 14:16-19)
Nicolaitans - Why does God HATE them?
It's time for the true elect church, who sincerely “fear the Lord,” to be told the truth before Christ comes back. (Hebrews 4:1). A few things to keep in mind while studying these things are …..
1. The doctrine of Balaam is a doctrine of compromise with pagan practices.
2. The seven churches in Asia were Gentile.
3. Revelation talks about the church of Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) that had left its “first love,” referring to the salvation coming to the Gentiles through the Jews, representing the foreshadowing of the fulfillment. (See Deuteronomy 6:1-6)
Gentile church. . .what Gentile church?
It is the NT church of the new covenant (Lk 22:20), the body of Christ, made up of Jews and Gentiles who believe in the Promise, Jesus Christ
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In a general, a separation doctrine that separates God's word from "God''s Word" is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes that leads to more and more corruption of the truth. This doctrine was adhered to in order to incorporate paganism into the church. The Necene creed reinforced a vow that the Jews had to quote vowing to be separated from their Jewish heritage, enabling them to join the universal church, later being identified as Roman Catholic. This practice of separation has infiltrated most, if not all denominations that are solely based on NT doctrine only, (neglecting the rest of scripture) and are identified as Christian dominations.
The Nicene Creed (Greek: Σύμβολον τῆς Νικαίας or τῆς πίστεως, Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum) is a profession of faith widely used in Christian liturgy. It is called Nicene /ˈnaɪsiːn/ because it was originally adopted in the city of Nicaea (present day Iznik, Turkey) by the First Council of Nicaea in 325.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6
Ephesus was one of the largest cities of the ancient world and a center for worship of the goddess Artemis, as well as the site of one of the largest Christian communities of the first and second centuries AD. More on Ephesus
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Revelation 2:15Pergamum is the site of a magnificent acropolis situated atop a high hill overlooking the modern town of Bergama. More on Pergamum
The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes assisted in the incorporation of the doctrine of Balaam into the church. These doctrines of separation continue to assist true doctrines to be compromise with ancient pagan practices, such as the birthday of Molech, Baal, and Nimrod, all being the same, and the celebration of Astaroth/Ishtar the fertility goddess.
The Nicene Creed (Greek: Σύμβολον τῆς Νικαίας or τῆς πίστεως, Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum) is a profession of faith widely used in Christian liturgy. It is called Nicene /ˈnaɪsiːn/ because it was originally adopted in the city of Nicaea (present day Iznik, Turkey) by the First Council of Nicaea in 325.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6
Ephesus was one of the largest cities of the ancient world and a center for worship of the goddess Artemis, as well as the site of one of the largest Christian communities of the first and second centuries AD. More on Ephesus
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Revelation 2:15Pergamum is the site of a magnificent acropolis situated atop a high hill overlooking the modern town of Bergama. More on Pergamum
The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes assisted in the incorporation of the doctrine of Balaam into the church. These doctrines of separation continue to assist true doctrines to be compromise with ancient pagan practices, such as the birthday of Molech, Baal, and Nimrod, all being the same, and the celebration of Astaroth/Ishtar the fertility goddess.
The doctrine of Balaam is a doctrine of compromise, and the doctrine Nicolaitanes is the a doctrine of systematic removal of God's law from the church. Who are the Nicolaitans? Believe it or not, the Nicolaitans are in part responsible for "Christianity's" acceptance of Christmas, Easter, Halloween and other unbiblical practices. More importantly, Nicolaitanism, representative of a much broader philosophy, can be blamed for the organized and systematic removal of God's law as a central pillar of the Christian way of life. These things happened because of an attitude, an approach to the truth, found in the Nicolaitan heresy.
Nicolaitanism Today
Nicolaitanism Today
Disobedience and paganism do not need to be renamed to fit the false doctrine of the heretical JW cult.
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We shouldn't be too hard on the first Gentile/Greek universal church. Protestants have adopted quite a bit of their traditions that have compromised with pagan practices. When the Bible tells us to remember something, why do we ignore it, and remember/practice something else that isn't written in God's word?AGREED!
... in fact they aren't even christians in the first place.
"To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law." 1 Corinthians 9:21
Seems as protestants also refuse to know how similar our doctrines are to Catholics in so many ways. They stated it, and we followed right along.
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Straw man. . .
The issue is the teaching of the NT, which is not affected by anything anybody does, no matter what.
You hope to confuse the practice of some Christians with the teaching of the NT, and to indict the NT by their practices.
Those are the deceptive practices of the heretical JW cult, which seeks to propagate its false doctrine in the hope of unseating NT Christianity.
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Acts 6:5
In studying conspiracy against the true church, I have come to realize that "Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:" departed from the true faith in Christ, and began propagating a false doctrine that systematically divided the truth against itself with false premise so that paganism observances could be recognized as Christians celebrations and observances.
His doctrine then in mentioned as being within the doctrine of the church of Pergamos mentioned in Revealtion 2:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Many Christian traditions believe Saint Antipas to be the Antipas referred to in the Book of Revelation (Revelation 2:13) as the "faithful martyr" of Pergamon, "where Satan dwells". According to Christian tradition, John the Apostle ordained Antipas as bishop of Pergamon during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. Antipas was supposedly roasted alive in a hollow life-size bull, which had a bonfire under its belly, because Antipas refused to renounce his faith in Christ Jesus, and was hated for casting out demons worshiped by the local population.
In studying conspiracy against the true church, I have come to realize that "Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:" departed from the true faith in Christ, and began propagating a false doctrine that systematically divided the truth against itself with false premise so that paganism observances could be recognized as Christians celebrations and observances.
His doctrine then in mentioned as being within the doctrine of the church of Pergamos mentioned in Revealtion 2:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Many Christian traditions believe Saint Antipas to be the Antipas referred to in the Book of Revelation (Revelation 2:13) as the "faithful martyr" of Pergamon, "where Satan dwells". According to Christian tradition, John the Apostle ordained Antipas as bishop of Pergamon during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. Antipas was supposedly roasted alive in a hollow life-size bull, which had a bonfire under its belly, because Antipas refused to renounce his faith in Christ Jesus, and was hated for casting out demons worshiped by the local population.
Straw man. . .
The issue is the teaching of the NT, which is not affected by anything anybody does, no matter what.
You hope to confuse the practice of some Christians with the teaching of the NT, and to indict the NT by their practices.
Those are the deceptive practices of the heretical JW cult, which seeks to propagate its false doctrine in the hope of unseating NT Christianity.
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Just me...
You really have me in a quandary. Some accurate points, and some real issues. From my perspective...
Yes, the OT is Scripture, and divinely guided. 2Tim3:16 "All Scripture is God Breathed..." Since Paul wrote this around 64 AD, about the time Mark was writing the first Gospel, it is referring to the OT. (though it certainly applies to the NT) The OT clearly states that the Jews are God's chosen people, and that He will "Bless those who bless you (the Jews) and curse those who curse you..." we Christians are suppose to support the Jews, while holding to the truth of the NT to understand the OT. Jesus said in...
Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
But your adventures into man made religion is disturbing. You keep quoting early church leaders like their beliefs are Scripture, and they are not. I don't care what individual dogmas are, like Elin says, it is what is in the Bible that matters.
Why are you so obsessed with what the early fathers believed? Stick to the Scriptures, please. If you are following along with Roman heresies, stop. But to say that Protestants are doing so is an errant generalization. Christians use the Bible as the Canon (rule) to determine whether human dogmas are accurate, not the other way around.
You go back and forth with Catholics. All believers in Jesus are Catholics (Universal). Roman Catholics are a Christian Cult. (in Christianity a cult is defined as a denomination that veers from Scripture.) Please note the differences.
The JW's are also an apostate cult. I sincerely hope that it is just a coincidence that Elin mentions this to you so many times, and not what you believe...
Maranatha
You really have me in a quandary. Some accurate points, and some real issues. From my perspective...
Yes, the OT is Scripture, and divinely guided. 2Tim3:16 "All Scripture is God Breathed..." Since Paul wrote this around 64 AD, about the time Mark was writing the first Gospel, it is referring to the OT. (though it certainly applies to the NT) The OT clearly states that the Jews are God's chosen people, and that He will "Bless those who bless you (the Jews) and curse those who curse you..." we Christians are suppose to support the Jews, while holding to the truth of the NT to understand the OT. Jesus said in...
Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
But your adventures into man made religion is disturbing. You keep quoting early church leaders like their beliefs are Scripture, and they are not. I don't care what individual dogmas are, like Elin says, it is what is in the Bible that matters.
Why are you so obsessed with what the early fathers believed? Stick to the Scriptures, please. If you are following along with Roman heresies, stop. But to say that Protestants are doing so is an errant generalization. Christians use the Bible as the Canon (rule) to determine whether human dogmas are accurate, not the other way around.
You go back and forth with Catholics. All believers in Jesus are Catholics (Universal). Roman Catholics are a Christian Cult. (in Christianity a cult is defined as a denomination that veers from Scripture.) Please note the differences.
The JW's are also an apostate cult. I sincerely hope that it is just a coincidence that Elin mentions this to you so many times, and not what you believe...
Maranatha
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M33
Guest
Try conversing with me without incorporating Elin's interfering posts. It would be nice to have some decent conversation without agitation.
This chat forum is a Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum
I have a thread in Bible discussion forum also, and it is clear that Elin continues to agitate there as she does here, and most of the times I'm not conversing with her because she's on my ignore list. I'll post and she makes demeaning comments. See this thread.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/118674-gentiles.html
I don't understand the purpose unless I hit a nerve, and that is very possibly true, and purposeful falsehoods are being revealed. If that is the case, then I can see why people would become so upset as Elin appears to be. Reactions speak quite loud. Stalking is evidence of a purposeful agenda, underhanded agenda that must be defended.
The false doctrine of the heretical JW cult is a conspiracy to discredit NT teaching as corruption, in an attempt to show that the NT has forfeited its precedence over the OT, thus establishing the old covenant as God's new covenant way, and giving the lie to NT Scriptures.
The definition of the “Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes” is antithesis in relation to the truth, no matter what you think the manifold heresies where that this group manifested. Because Jesus hated their doctrine we can firmly conclude that, from the start, these people that propagated these heresies were in direct contrast or opposition to the unadulterated Word of God. Instead of rightly distinguishing the word of God, you will know them by their desire to wrongly divide the word of God against itself. This is proven today when we see false doctrines attempting to prove that certain concepts defined in the word of God (whether Old or New Testament scriptures) are no longer needful for the New Testament church.
Today, false doctrines are taught in our churches same as in the seven churches of Asia, and if it cannot be definitively proven that it is the “Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes,” at least we can truthfully say that Jesus hates that undefined doctrine just as much as the “Doctrine of Balaam” and the “Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes.” Every doctrine Jesus hates are basically all for the same purpose, and that's to destroy the truth within the ranks of God's chosen people.
The “Doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees” are just as bad. They made it a habit of distorting the truth same as any other satanic persuasion. Jesus said “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:4) The “Doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducess” can be summed up in three words. formalists, tradition-worshipers, and self-righteous
Today, false doctrines are taught in our churches same as in the seven churches of Asia, and if it cannot be definitively proven that it is the “Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes,” at least we can truthfully say that Jesus hates that undefined doctrine just as much as the “Doctrine of Balaam” and the “Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes.” Every doctrine Jesus hates are basically all for the same purpose, and that's to destroy the truth within the ranks of God's chosen people.
The “Doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees” are just as bad. They made it a habit of distorting the truth same as any other satanic persuasion. Jesus said “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:4) The “Doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducess” can be summed up in three words. formalists, tradition-worshipers, and self-righteous
There are many Churches today who have turned their backs on the Truth from God in the Scriptures to follow man made traditions and lies.
I do see a falling away of the Church today, and i totally believe the Anti-Christ is just around the corner. Just look at the Catholic Church and how today they are accepting the Muslims into their Church as Brothers in Christ!
We ARE to avoid those people AND Churches that cause divisions and teach heresy as Truths from God like Pope Francis does.
I do see a falling away of the Church today, and i totally believe the Anti-Christ is just around the corner. Just look at the Catholic Church and how today they are accepting the Muslims into their Church as Brothers in Christ!
We ARE to avoid those people AND Churches that cause divisions and teach heresy as Truths from God like Pope Francis does.
We are living in dangerous times. If one really thinks about the truth, and how religion has distorted it, then think of how we could witness in order to change things back to God's original structure. The first that would come against us would be the religious organizations that are steeped in traditions rather than truth. Jesus suffered the same. It's just a different wrinkle with the same end result that our adversary demands.
"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." (1 Peter 1:24-25)
I refer to posts like this that cause mass confusion and contention for no good reason.
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post 56
post 63
This is just a sample, but it appears to me that when a person gets close to revealing the truth, an immense hatred reveals its ugly head. It's high time for all Christians to take note that world corruption begins with religion. That's our adversary's first target. If we refuse to see it, and agree with doctrines that are not defined in scripture as coming from God Almighty, we are as guilty as the perpetrator.
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
I ask all who read this post to go through the thread as see if the controversies instigated against my presentations were really warranted. Or would it be that the adversary's tactics were on the verge of being revealed?
Also do not let us forget that the Catholic Church has made Mary into one of their Gods. Now the Mary in the Bible is NOT the Mary the Catholics Worship. The Mary the Catholics Pray to and ask for her blessings is a Demon!
Mary never was without sin and Mary never was sinless like the Catholics want to believe.
Mary was born with a sin nature, Mary sinned her whole life and Mary died and was buried in the Grave. She was NOT assumed into Heaven like the Catholics believe and teach.
Psalm 14:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
Psalm 53:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
Romans 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."
The ONLY person who did Good and was Righteous was Jesus Christ! Not Jesus Christ and Mary! Not Jesus Christ and Mary and others!
This proves the Catholic Church today has rejected the Truths from God to follow the Doctrines of Satan.
The World is close to the End Times when people like the Catholics will regret what they have done.
Mary never was without sin and Mary never was sinless like the Catholics want to believe.
Mary was born with a sin nature, Mary sinned her whole life and Mary died and was buried in the Grave. She was NOT assumed into Heaven like the Catholics believe and teach.
Psalm 14:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
Psalm 53:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
Romans 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."
The ONLY person who did Good and was Righteous was Jesus Christ! Not Jesus Christ and Mary! Not Jesus Christ and Mary and others!
This proves the Catholic Church today has rejected the Truths from God to follow the Doctrines of Satan.
The World is close to the End Times when people like the Catholics will regret what they have done.