Were they spirit led? A lot of heresy had crept in right after Paul died and he warned us about it. I'd say ever since the 300s when Churchianity became the pagan religion of the empire of Rome it fell apart.
Purgatory, Catholic Bible vs Protestant Bible
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God's Bible is correct! study & learn 2nd Timothy 3: 16 & 17 & 2nd peter 1:20 & 21. also, 2nd Timothy 2;7 & 15! if you are catholic get out of there now. many false teachings with them.
Now all we need is someone with a magic Geiger counter to pin point God's
Bible from among the many versions available in a very large number of
languages.
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all anyone has to do is believe & trust in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit & you'll KNOW FOR SURE God's word. start off by studying & learning: 2nd Timothy 2:7 & 15, 2nd Peter 1:20 & 21 & 2nd Timothy 3: 16 & 17. there's NO WAY God's Holy Spirit would author a Bible without us knowing for sure, what God's word is. doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. supplement to that is: Romans 2:15 & Hebrews 8:10 teaching "i will put my laws into their minds & write them in their hearts"...... in our conscious, God gave us a sense of what is moral, what He requires & what is right & wrong. you can add in Titus 3;5 teaching that we are regenerated. like God working in us to want to & to do of His word.
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Derobo
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If you study the early church, you will see that catholics and orthodox have much more in common than protestants have.
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Derobo
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you can say that about the 3000 different protestants denominations which don't agree on anything.
i have been in both camps, and the catholics at least agree with each other worldwide ( on most doctrines )
the same can't be said with protestants.
and we know in the Bible it says, we have to be in unity of faith without different doctrines, and with that alone you can throw out almost all protestant denominations
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Derobo
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Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
read my response to webershome above. study those verses & you'll see that it doesn't make any sense for God's Holy Spirit to author a Bible without leaving us a way to know for sure, God's word.
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Derobo
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God already revealed his truth to the first 12 apostles and those 12 ordained other disciples to preach the same truth.
God did all this in the early Church and that's whom he also choose to compile the Bible.
then the protestants started removing books from the Bible more than 1000 years later, that's why you have 66 books only and that's why you don't understand the catholics and orthodox, because they have more books than you, its simple actually.
I would rather trust the doctrine of the early church, than trust anything anyone say today, there are litterally million doctrines today in the protestant church, that's why there are so many denominations, no one agrees on anything, and you have to ask yourself wether that is from God, but I don't want to insult your intelligence level, so I think we can both agree that it isn't.
we are supposed to be one church, with one main doctrine.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
the books that God didn't allow in the Bible were "man authored". ( for example; the apocryphal ). they were never supposed to be in the Bible in the 1st place! I'm saying what God said in those verses i shared with you, especially 2nd Timothy 3:16,17. i agree on what God taught & nothing else. you said, "no one agrees on anything". how do you choose what to believe in or agree on? you are looking to be 1 church & 1 doctrine. it seems you are stuck in choosing. how can you live your life that way? are you a born again Christian? (not arguing, amicably discussing).
You are promoting lies because books were not removed... it's a fact that the Roman Catholic church added books that had not been considered inspired.
I think we can agree that you pulled that number out of your nether regions. Just how many denominations do you think there are??? because the number that often gets thrown around is not real either, but a misunderstanding.
Denominations: The facts~
There are nowhere near as many denominations in Christianity as some suppose/believe.
The numbers thrown around are a terrible miscalculation based on a
lack of understanding perpetuated by, um, well, a dearth of knowledge.
Many sources say many things and many of those things are blatant falsehoods .
I have posted this before so am simply copy/pasting from an earlier post:
33,000 or 45,000 --- these are false numbers based on an egregious misunderstanding.
That misunderstanding gets thrown around as if it were truth when it is not.
Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are
nowhere close to 33,000 - 45,000 denominations. Many of these groups are merely subgroups
of larger denominational groups such as Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, or Baptists.
Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:
Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford
University Press, 1982). Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. Still, not all of them are Protestants.
According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).
However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines
"distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group.
The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.
Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually
mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."
Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced
at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded." source
There are nowhere near as many denominations in Christianity as some suppose/believe.
The numbers thrown around are a terrible miscalculation based on a
lack of understanding perpetuated by, um, well, a dearth of knowledge.
Many sources say many things and many of those things are blatant falsehoods .
I have posted this before so am simply copy/pasting from an earlier post:
33,000 or 45,000 --- these are false numbers based on an egregious misunderstanding.
That misunderstanding gets thrown around as if it were truth when it is not.
Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are
nowhere close to 33,000 - 45,000 denominations. Many of these groups are merely subgroups
of larger denominational groups such as Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, or Baptists.
Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:
Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford
University Press, 1982). Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. Still, not all of them are Protestants.
According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).
However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines
"distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group.
The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.
Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually
mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."
Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced
at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded." source
Before I can begin reading those passages, it would be necessary for
someone to show me which of the many versions of the Bible is God's
version so I don't waste time reading the wrong one.
I assume you have a copy of God's Bible with you. Where'd you get it, and
how were you able to tell it was God's when you found it?
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i use the Nelson King James Study Bible. another top choice would be the Scofield Bible. but 1st, if you are not a born again Christian, you should become 1 BEFORE you start reading the Bible because you will have the Holy Spirit in your life as you comforter, guide & teacher. (John 16:13 John 14:26 ).
Which one of those two is specifically God's Bible, and how were you able to
tell it was His when you found it?
BTW: The Scofield reference Bible is available in KJV, NKJV, and NIV, plus
there is a 1917 edition and a number of revised editions. Which of those is
specifically God's Bible, if any?
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Agreeing on false doctrine is nothing to boast about. I traveled a great deal in my early Christian life, courtesy of the RAN (Australian Navy). I went to Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Hawaii, and many places in Australia. I went to a church in most of those places. I could not be picky about the denomination.
I discovered that the differences between denominations are of little interest to most protestant believers. And few of those differences are of any real significance. What does baffle me is how Christians can justify splitting the church over minor doctrines. I don't agree with sprinkling babies, but I'll not start a war over it. I can have better fellowship with the local Anglican pastor than the other pastors in this city. That's because he really is born again and loves Jesus and people.
the scofeild kjv. you should do more research on the verses i listed. the books in the scriptures were all known to be the inspired word of God thru evidence, evidence of the apostles & the Holy Spirit using them & there's record that the revelation of God's word was evident. the books in the Bible were & always will be the only sripture. the church at ephesus was known for collecting the books & very carefully reviewing them. when the 66 books were collected by the church, it was recognized what God had done, not man.
God's Bible was originally penned in Hebrew, Aramaic, and koiné Greek. I
seriously doubt that there is even one version among the many English
translations available in our day that God would identify as His Bible
primarily because it is virtually impossible to move thoughts from one
language into another verbatim.
And then there is also the problem of ambiguity. Quite a few of the ancient
words have more than one meaning. Translators do their best to select the
correct meanings, but must admit that sometimes they are taking an
educated guess.
Another problem faced by translators is the lack of sufficient wording. It's
interesting to note in an interlinear how often words are edited into
translations of the original texts to fill them out. Now those fills of course
can't be assured inspired so: caveat lector.
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translations have been underway for centuries. at this present time, with technology's assistance, we are experiencing the most advanced translations. know this: no matter what anyone says about this; past, present or future, the Holy Spirit will lead us, guide us & teach us God's TRUE WORD! like i said before, there's no way the Holy Spirit would author God's Bible & leave us without a way to know what God's true word is.