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Satan and all of his horde of demons dwell in perpetual darkness. As a Christian, I was delivered out from the
We both know that being outside the Body of Christ they are judged already. Without repentance they are without hope. Thats why we continue to speak to their hopelessness. We will continue to speak truth where there is no hope that we in doing so might reach many but we will be content on what the work of the Holy Spirit will produce.
Thank You and God bless
We both know that being outside the Body of Christ they are judged already. Without repentance they are without hope. Thats why we continue to speak to their hopelessness. We will continue to speak truth where there is no hope that we in doing so might reach many but we will be content on what the work of the Holy Spirit will produce.
Thank You and God bless
I am going to go with door number 1. "So that God could serve us. " but let's put some context around that. God is love. Love will always seek to serve. That is why during the last supper, he served his disciples. That is why he told his disciples that he who would be great, must become the servant of all. Love gives, it does not take. However, the paradox here is that God is more worthy of servitude than anyone or anything in existence. So why does a God who needs nothing from anyone, make himself of no reputation, and take upon him the form of a servant, and be made in the likeness of men? LOVE!!!! We are looking at the world upside down. His world is about giving, and ours is about taking. Once we get our view inverted, we can see his greatness, and the reason he made us.
You need to be able to distinguish between the first and second comings of Christ. What you quoted applied to the time when Christ came in HUMILITY AND HUMILIATION. Then He was despised and rejected of men, a Man of Sorrows, and acquainted with grief. That work is finished and done. Christ is now glorified and exalted and seated at the right hand of the Father.
However, when the Lord Jesus Christ comes at His Second Coming, it is the exact opposite. He comes with power and great glory accompanied by all the saints and angels, bringing His wrath and judgment upon the unbelieving world. Then follows the Millennium and the eternal Kingdom of God. And when all is said and done HIS SERVANTS SHALL SERVE HIM.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: (Rev 22:3)
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. (Mt 25:21) (Note: rulers under Christ serve)
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. (Lk 19:17)
Even though Christians are children of God and heirs of God, they must always see themselves as unprofitable servants, saved by grace in order to serve. Our service begins on earth and continues for eternity.
However, when the Lord Jesus Christ comes at His Second Coming, it is the exact opposite. He comes with power and great glory accompanied by all the saints and angels, bringing His wrath and judgment upon the unbelieving world. Then follows the Millennium and the eternal Kingdom of God. And when all is said and done HIS SERVANTS SHALL SERVE HIM.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: (Rev 22:3)
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. (Mt 25:21) (Note: rulers under Christ serve)
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. (Lk 19:17)
Even though Christians are children of God and heirs of God, they must always see themselves as unprofitable servants, saved by grace in order to serve. Our service begins on earth and continues for eternity.
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Before we can understand our purpose in this world we must first accept who God is. God Himself tells us He does not know from where He began. He tells us He has always been.Kind of hard to wrap your mind around but thats what He gives us take it or leave it. Next, all of these wonderful and glorious things he ALLOWS us to know about Him comes with conditions. We can only know who He is by knowing His Son and by knowing I mean in completeness "for the word of God is as foolishness unto the natural man" thats why we as Christians become so angry with educated fools who try to tell us why we worship God (and yes I said angry Christians we are not that perfect yet). Also, and this is the place where we have the most difficult time of all, God does not, has not, and will not ever NEED ANYTHING. Perhaps for us as Christians to better understand this we can answer another question. Is it possible for God to tell a lie? Most people would say that He is to righteous to do such a thing, which is true but of its self is not the answer. The reason God cannot tell a lie is simple its because every word that comes out of His mouth becomes reality. If He says black is white thats the way it is, not only now but forever in the past present an future. NOTHING escapes His power to speak things in and out of existence. God has never learned anything. Now today, the Father has given all power in this creation over to His Son whom of course is as much God as His Father. So if God has never been lacking in anything why create such a bothersome creature as man? Its like driving a nail in your foot so you can experience pain. We know God Loves man, He Himself tells us so but does this Love come to us out of obligation, after all He did did created us. If we accept the belief that Gods is, was,and always will be complete in every way, why was man ever created what is his purpose? It has to be far more glorious than anything our self inflicted humility is able to accept. Remember, the angles themselves desire look into these things.
May God continue to reveal Himself to us all.
May God continue to reveal Himself to us all.
I am not sure if scripture speaks of that particular fabric or geometrical shape.
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Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Job Chapter 2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
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2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Luke 10:18
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
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Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
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Could you please be more direct with your points.
I won't walk into a trap.
If you by any chance have a very unique point of view on scriptures, please explain it.
Please do not avoid simple questions or ask loaded questions.
From our talk so far you give me the impression you want to believe you are God in some context, or equal to Him in some way.
On top of that you seem to deny that when our modern bible says "lucifer" it is not speaking of the who we could call 'satan' (the enemy) or the first fallen angel known as the devil.
But because of the way you speak, you leave openings and make it hard to see what you mean.
(i understand satan is also a title of the enemy, and there are many devils, but this is another discussion i believe)
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Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Job Chapter 2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
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2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Luke 10:18
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
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Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
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Could you please be more direct with your points.
I won't walk into a trap.
If you by any chance have a very unique point of view on scriptures, please explain it.
Please do not avoid simple questions or ask loaded questions.
From our talk so far you give me the impression you want to believe you are God in some context, or equal to Him in some way.
On top of that you seem to deny that when our modern bible says "lucifer" it is not speaking of the who we could call 'satan' (the enemy) or the first fallen angel known as the devil.
But because of the way you speak, you leave openings and make it hard to see what you mean.
(i understand satan is also a title of the enemy, and there are many devils, but this is another discussion i believe)
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Is there context in which you believe you are a son of God? There is NO context in which I believe myself to be God. To be clear I am a son of God. Challenging my relationship with Christ with such nonsense may stroke your ego but it gains us nothing in the way of fellowship. I cannot remember what I said that sent you down this course, nevertheless, it is obvious to me at this point I am not going to be able recover. However I do wish to continue with our conversation, Im hoping some where down the line you will be willing to share with me your relationship with God. Are you His child, are you His son? Do you consider yourself a teacher of His Word?
I have not inserted ego into this discussion, just when you try to speak in a crypic indirect way on a forum with many suspect beliefs... I will try make an effort to understand you.
I am indeed one of God's children, a member of the body of Christ.
I am very happy to hear I misunderstood your claims earlier when asking why you wouldn't be considered God's equal.
I am sorry if my questions offended you but it is very important that we speak clearly, we are on the internet and communication via text alone can sometimes make it hard to understand if we don't try to make ourselves very clear.
If I can be used to shine light on the truth I am grateful for the opportunity, but I consider myself a believer of His word more than a "teacher".
Thank you again for your clear response.... I am relieved..😅
Not too long ago I had tried to help someone who thought themselves as a god face to face.... (they elevated self to the level of Christ in thier beliefs...)
Was not a fruitful discussion...
I am indeed one of God's children, a member of the body of Christ.
I am very happy to hear I misunderstood your claims earlier when asking why you wouldn't be considered God's equal.
I am sorry if my questions offended you but it is very important that we speak clearly, we are on the internet and communication via text alone can sometimes make it hard to understand if we don't try to make ourselves very clear.
If I can be used to shine light on the truth I am grateful for the opportunity, but I consider myself a believer of His word more than a "teacher".
Thank you again for your clear response.... I am relieved..😅
Not too long ago I had tried to help someone who thought themselves as a god face to face.... (they elevated self to the level of Christ in thier beliefs...)
Was not a fruitful discussion...
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I expect you were joking. And the Garden of Eden was far more than a garden. It was an orchard-cum-garden-cum-herb *forest* (if that's the correct term).
God gave man the stewardship of all creation, and then a specific stewardship of Eden. which tells us that human beings were created to both work and worship. Laziness (or slothfulness) is condemned in the Bible, whereas diligent and earnest labor is approved. But the Fall changed everything.
God gave man the stewardship of all creation, and then a specific stewardship of Eden. which tells us that human beings were created to both work and worship. Laziness (or slothfulness) is condemned in the Bible, whereas diligent and earnest labor is approved. But the Fall changed everything.
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You seem to have a great deal of difficulty when it comes to discussion of scripture.In all you have mentioned above you cannot bring yourself to realize the fact that know where does it say or insinuate that satan is a fallen angle nor does it say or insinuate that Lucifer and satan are one in the same. If you believe that satan is a fallen angle then you must believe there was or is provided for him an avenue of redemption . You must also believe that God was and is powerless to deal with this creatures disobedience. You are aware that angles are not freewill creatures? No the truth is satan along with his horde was created as a lier,killer, destroyer.He has no power except that which God gives him. There was a time when the Sons of God presented themselves to God and satan was allowed to be present to accuse . At some point God ended this process and cast satan and his hordes to the earth. Now neither man nor devil are allowed to come into His presence until the dispensation has been made full.
Let me leave you with this question IF satan is a rebellious angle why does God not take away his power? Is God powerless to deal with this evil? Is God indifferent to the suffering satan brings on humanity . You cant walk down the middle of the fence either you believe satan is a rebellious angle who inflicts suffering on Christians and who God seems to have no power to control, or satan was created to do just what he does and we have been given power to control his influence over us. Again you cannot say satan as a fallen angle came to the earth with all his evil and God gave us the job of fighting him. And how is it that satan all of a sudden and had of these demons at his command and all of a sudden he came into the knowledge of what evil is. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of evil they did not take on the evil nature of satan. So again why did God not deal with this "fallen angle " right from the start. Your ideas are contrary to the knowledge and power of God
Let me leave you with this question IF satan is a rebellious angle why does God not take away his power? Is God powerless to deal with this evil? Is God indifferent to the suffering satan brings on humanity . You cant walk down the middle of the fence either you believe satan is a rebellious angle who inflicts suffering on Christians and who God seems to have no power to control, or satan was created to do just what he does and we have been given power to control his influence over us. Again you cannot say satan as a fallen angle came to the earth with all his evil and God gave us the job of fighting him. And how is it that satan all of a sudden and had of these demons at his command and all of a sudden he came into the knowledge of what evil is. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of evil they did not take on the evil nature of satan. So again why did God not deal with this "fallen angle " right from the start. Your ideas are contrary to the knowledge and power of God
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Only with people who dance around the topics at hand to play into thier own agenda.
A lot of words... not one addresses the scriptures...
I will repost for you🙂
Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Job Chapter 2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
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2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Luke 10:18
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
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Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Lol we can have a back and forth all day but this is silly, it is like asking "why does God allow murder"....
Your questions seem ridiculous to me and are filled with presuppositions I disagree with entirely.
(also satin is not satan, angles are not angels, and no one here would suggest God is powerless, your strawmen are pointless and weak arguments that hold no more weight than someone in unbelief saying "if God loves the world why is there cancer" or "why do Christians suffer if there is a God")
Be genuine if you want to debate, but silly strawmen and presuppositions will be dealt with as such.
A lot of words... not one addresses the scriptures...
I will repost for you🙂
Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Job Chapter 2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
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2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Luke 10:18
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
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Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Lol we can have a back and forth all day but this is silly, it is like asking "why does God allow murder"....
Your questions seem ridiculous to me and are filled with presuppositions I disagree with entirely.
(also satin is not satan, angles are not angels, and no one here would suggest God is powerless, your strawmen are pointless and weak arguments that hold no more weight than someone in unbelief saying "if God loves the world why is there cancer" or "why do Christians suffer if there is a God")
Be genuine if you want to debate, but silly strawmen and presuppositions will be dealt with as such.
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