Question About Gods Chosen People

[Jayoish]

If what you say is true, then none which died before GOD's return will be held accountable, but you are wrong. The bible has always been there for us to read for ourselves and know the truth and it set up free. These people chose not to read it and do as GOD say, seek out their own salvation----Philippians 2:12 --( 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. ) Instead they allowed these Pastors to lie to them. In which, if they had read the Bible he warns them of that, as well. And to correct you, God did not put them in blindness so that the gospel could go to the Gentiles, Paul was teaching the Gentiles already. It is clear you do not understand, or you would know that Israel went under the Curse as told in Deuteronomy 28:15-68. That is what happen to them, not so the Gentile could teach this false doctrine in which everyone has been going by. Nothing they taught was correct, starting with the day in which they teach people to serve him, the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] day, instead of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day which is commanded that you hold a holy convocation. Which is one of the royal laws – Exodus 20:8-11 --- (8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. ). Everything a person need is in this Bible, so we are all accountable for our own choice, even if it is a choice not to seek out the truth.
As far as Roman 11, it is you who do not understand what Paul was revealing in these scriptures. It is not about the Gentile, but about punishing Israel, about teaching them a lesson. For example, in Roman 11:11 – ( 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.) Since Israel wanted to keep sinning against GOD with provoking him to jealousy with other GOD, then he allows salvation to go to the Gentile, to provoke them with a people he called no people. Gentile are nothing to GOD, but something to make Israel jealous with. Deuteronomy 32:21---- ( -- 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.--- ) This is still part of the punishment for Israel sinning against their GOD. Part of the curse, and yes salvation did go to the Gentile, but they did not do any better than Israel. At least Israel was teaching the gospel as given to them, the Gentiles are not teaching the bible at all, but fables, such as going to heaven, dead people are in heaven or hell, Jesus birth day is December 25[SUP]th[/SUP], Jesus died on good Friday and rose on Easter Sunday morning, GOD will rapture off his people before the great tribulation, and we are not under the law, Jesus nailed them to the cross. And I could go on and on with the lies and deceit!!!!!
So my question to you is, the dead people who have died before Jesus return and did not get the thousand years to be made aware and come into the knowledge, if you are correct, then how are they going to be judged? What happen to them? Please tell me.

Jayoish

 

[Jayoish]

I find it interesting how people criticize leaders and politicians for not standing with Israel when we are under no biblical obligation to do so. I have heard this erroneous Israel doctrine all my life as I grew up in a Baptist Church.I have always heard them called God's chosen people but those who reject Christ will go to hell chosen or not

I have to disagree with you Dude653, you have not heard any of Israel doctrine as you call it but it is GOD's words, because they do not teach the Bible in the Sunday churches. What they have been teaching is t

 

[blondieindahouse]

I have to disagree with you Dude653, you have not heard any of Israel doctrine as you call it but it is GOD's words, because they do not teach the Bible in the Sunday churches. What they have been teaching is t

I can see you have answered on your profile "NOYB" when asked when you were saved. Why isnt it any of our business? Is it private or isnt it the beginning of/part of your testimony? Seems odd to me that you would withhold that kind of information. Are you not sure?

 

[Jayoish]

I find it interesting how people criticize leaders and politicians for not standing with Israel when we are under no biblical obligation to do so. I have heard this erroneous Israel doctrine all my life as I grew up in a Baptist Church.I have always heard them called God's chosen people but those who reject Christ will go to hell chosen or not

I have to disagree with you Dude653, you have not heard any of Israel doctrine as you call it but it is GOD's words, because they do not teach the Bible in the Sunday churches. What they have been teaching is the doctrine of Roman. I challenge you to show me in the Bible the teaching I have heard in these churches...that Jesus promised us heaven as a reward for serving him, or that he is going to rapture you off to heaven before the great tribulation comes --- yet I read in John 7:34 that Jesus states: ( 34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come. ). However, everyone seem to think that they are going to heaven at some point. Or the teaching of the law are no more, we are not under the law, Jesus nailed them to the cross -- yet I read in Matthew 5:17 that Jesus stated: ( 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ) Or the teaching that Jesus died on Good Friday and rose early Sunday morning that is why service is held on Sunday...his disciples changed the day of worship after his death -- yet, I read that when asked for a sign that Jesus stated: ( 38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. ) --- YOU CAN NOT GET 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS FROM FRIDAY TO SUNDAY.... And when I searched the scriptures to find out when the disciples held service, after Jesus's death, I found in Acts 18:1, 4 Paul : ( 1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. )
So, I am yet to find some of the teachings of churches today to be out of what you call Israel doctrine, so you see, you have not heard of God's word. I challenge you to do two things: show me something that has been or being taught, in churches today, in the Bible. And for you to read the bible for yourself so you can truthfully say you have heard Israel's teaching and God's doctrine!!!

One other thing, you are correct, those who reject GOD will end up in the lake of fire, but I think there needs to be a clarification to the people of what it means to reject Christ. The Bible tells you it means that you do not have faith in him, do not love him, or obey him. The bible tells us this in many way, in Hebrew 11:6 it states, --- ( 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. ) So as you can see you must believe him and all of his word, and be obedience to it, as Noah did.
Just believing in Christ without doing his work, obeying his laws and statues are nothing. For James 2:17-20 state --- ( 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? ) For if you believe in him, you have faith in him and his word, you love him and keep his commandment, as stated in 1 John 5:1-4 --- 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. )

I hope this helps you,

Jayoish

 

[Jayoish]

I can see you have answered on your profile "NOYB" when asked when you were saved. Why isnt it any of our business? Is it private or isnt it the beginning of/part of your testimony? Seems odd to me that you would withhold that kind of information. Are you not sure?

That is because none of us are saved yet, the Bible state in 1 Peter 1:3 --- (3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ) and Jesus states in Matthew 24:13 -- ( 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ) None of us is saved...which is another false teaching of Sunday churches today!!!! Have the end come yet?


Explained...

Jayoish

 

[blondieindahouse]

If that is the case in which it isnt;why didnt you say that instead of none of your business? That kinda comes off as being rude.
Scripture disagrees with your assertion.
God is the author of my faith. I KNOW I am HIS.

Hebrews 12:2
Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
Romans 8:
14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
…15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Romans 5:1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.…

We are justified the moment we come to Jesus. We are saved by our faith in Gods grace and the fruit HE produces testifies to that.

The only people I have come across who do not know they are saved are those who have a yoke. They are of the works righteous false faiths

 

[blondieindahouse]

1. When you are FINALLY shown by the Holy Spirit that you cannot earn your way to heaven and that we walk by faith in Christ' grace; you will be better off!! Disregard the numbers,they dont line up with the body written Computer acting up!

God has made us many promises. I choose to believe him and walk in faith that he is the author of................

2. He has promised to supply every need we have. The Bible says: "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus". That's Phillipians 4:19. Now notice, God has obligated Himself only to the extent of our needs. That would include food, clothing, shelter, companionship, love, and salvation thru Jesus Christ. It would not include the multiplicity of luxuries that we have come to think of as needs.
4. God has promised that His grace is sufficient for us. (II Corinthians 12:9). in fact, He has made provision for our salvation by His grace through faith. Read Ephesians 2:8. It is through an obedient faith that we have access into the grace of God according to Romans 5:2.
6. God has promised that His children will not be overtaken with temptation. Instead, He assures us that a way of escape will be provided. This promise is recorded in I Corinthians 10:13. Jude wrote: "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present your faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy" (Jude v 24). Darius, King of the Medes, said to Daniel, "Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee" (Daniel 6:16). He did deliver Daniel from the den of lions.
8. God has promised us victory over death. He first resurrected Jesus by way of assuring our resurrection. Peter said: "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses" (Acts 2:32). Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (I Corinthians 15:3,4). Later on he adds: "but thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 15:57).
10. God has promised that all things work together for good to those who love and serve Him faithfully (Romans 8:28). It may be difficult for us to see and understand how this is accomplished at times, but God has promised it, and He will deliver.
12. God has promised that those who believe in Jesus and are baptized for the forgiveness of sins will be saved. (Read Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38).
14. God has promised His people eternal life (John 10:27,28). In closing, let me appeal to you to live so that the promises of God will be yours.

 

[ladylynn]

If you read the Jewish OT, you will quickly see that it is a veritable clinic on how NOT to worship God.

Thousands upon thousands of verses, from prophet after prophet, proclaim just how the Jews screwed-up time and again, and fell away from proper worship.

If Jews truly understood the scriptures that they were entrusted with, then they would now be called Christians.

Modern day Jews carry the heavy burden of knowingly rejecting God, when He came to them...of which, they will pay for when they are judged at the Second Death.

Been looking into this and have been learning that it was God's choice to use the Jews to not only give us the written Word of God but it was the Jewish people God decided to have His Son come from. I am given an appreciation for them and an awareness that the world is not going to be liking them all that much since we live in a world full of unsaved people influenced by satan.

Also the Jewish Fathers are the roots of the 'olive tree' that we were grafted into when the unbelieving Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Like EternallyGrateful said in his post about what the Bible warns us about; boast not against those broken off branches. And I can see why.

There has always been much anti antisemitism in the world and it's interesting to note that satan has a huge hatred for the Jewish people because he hates the Bible and most of all he hates Jesus. God used the Jewish people when He gave us the Bible and Jesus our Savior. satan is the author of confusion and hate. he causes death and sickness confusion and prejudice among people. I see people hating Jews all the time just for being Jewish. That just is not a coincidence.

 

[Kaycie]

They used to be Gods people, but when they rejected God's Son He switched to adoption. Now you have to be born again (baptized) to become God's people, no matter what nationality you are. The Jews are still waiting for the Christ to come in the flesh, but He has already come. There are some Jewish people who have seen the truth and became Christians. How sad for those who think we still live in Old Testament times in today's world. They don't even know we are in the last days.

 

[Jayoish]

If that is the case in which it isnt;why didnt you say that instead of none of your business? That kinda comes off as being rude.
Scripture disagrees with your assertion.
God is the author of my faith. I KNOW I am HIS.

Hebrews 12:2
Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
Romans 8:
14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
…15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Romans 5:1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.…

We are justified the moment we come to Jesus. We are saved by our faith in Gods grace and the fruit HE produces testifies to that.

The only people I have come across who do not know they are saved are those who have a yoke. They are of the works righteous false faiths

And the only people that I know in which who think they are saved are ignorant and unlearned about the Bible. Please by all means prove me wrong and show me scriptures in the Bible which states that we are already saved. Because I gave two in my earlier posting that say we are not: 1 Peter 1:3 --- (3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ) and Jesus states in Matthew 24:13 -- ( 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ) And one of them from Jesus whom you state you are his, but I guess you do not believe him when he say you must endure to the end and then you shall be saved. Even Paul knew that he was not saved yet because in 2 Timothy 4:6-10 he states, ( 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me: 10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. ) He also let us know that we can fall away from GOD when he states Demas had did so because of his loving of this present world. Also he states in 2 Timothy 4:3-5 --- ( 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. ) Which means you can turn away from GOD and people are not going to be willing to endure sound doctrine (not want to do what GOD say, but do what pleases them, satisfy their own lust and fleshy desires)
Definition of en·dure:
1. suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently. 2. remain in existence; last.

Remember, please prove me wrong, provide scriptures that say you are saved now!

Jayoish

 

[ladylynn]

They used to be Gods people, but when they rejected God's Son He switched to adoption. Now you have to be born again (baptized) to become God's people, no matter what nationality you are. The Jews are still waiting for the Christ to come in the flesh, but He has already come. There are some Jewish people who have seen the truth and became Christians. How sad for those who think we still live in Old Testament times in today's world. They don't even know we are in the last days.[/QUOT

Again., I'm still learning about this but God is not done with the Jewish people. They are the people God chose to bring the Lord Jesus and the Bible. All we have to do is look at the Middle East to know that the Jewish people are very much involved with and important to God and He will bring them out and finish what was begun. God keeps His covenants even though man doesn't.

 

[Jayoish]

They used to be Gods people, but when they rejected God's Son He switched to adoption. Now you have to be born again (baptized) to become God's people, no matter what nationality you are. The Jews are still waiting for the Christ to come in the flesh, but He has already come. There are some Jewish people who have seen the truth and became Christians. How sad for those who think we still live in Old Testament times in today's world. They don't even know we are in the last days.

You should be sad for yourself, not those who think we still live Old Testament times in today's world, because you don't know that the only way you will know what is to befall you in the last days is by referencing back to the Old Testament. There are so many scriptures in the New Testament which reference you back to the Old Testament, if we are not to live by them, then why does it reference you back to the. For example, Matthew 4:4 – ( 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. ) and I Corinthian 2:9 -- ( 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. ) and Romans 14:11 – ( 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. ) Ask yourself, where is it written? In the Old Testament. And why do they reference me back there if we are not living under them? Because there is not new laws or prophecies, only the requirement to live by the laws and fulfillment of prophecies in the New Testament and present time. Also in Matthew 24:15 – ( 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) ). So don’t feel sorry for us, but seek out your own salvation by reading the Bible, all of it. The Old Testament is the prerequisite to the New Testament. You are not able to understand the New Testament unless you first read and know what has happened in the Old Testament.
Also, I want to clarify your statement on the Jews are still waiting on Jesus and he has came and gone. Do you mean the first appearing or his second coming?
And those people are not the JEWS…also, it was not all JEWS who did not believe in Jesus, it was the Pharisees, the Scribes and the Sadducees…the so called high priest. And it was because they were corrupt and did not want to lose their high positions. They really knew, but rejected him for the love of the world.

I hope you listen and seek for yourself,
Jayoish

 

[Jayoish]

They used to be Gods people, but when they rejected God's Son He switched to adoption. Now you have to be born again (baptized) to become God's people, no matter what nationality you are. The Jews are still waiting for the Christ to come in the flesh, but He has already come. There are some Jewish people who have seen the truth and became Christians. How sad for those who think we still live in Old Testament times in today's world. They don't even know we are in the last days.[/QUOT

Again., I'm still learning about this but God is not done with the Jewish people. They are the people God chose to bring the Lord Jesus and the Bible. All we have to do is look at the Middle East to know that the Jewish people are very much involved with and important to God and He will bring them out and finish what was begun. God keeps His covenants even though man doesn't.

God is not the God of Jewish people...but the Israelites...some are JEWS...not ish.....


Educate yourself,

Jayoish

 

[Jayoish]

If you read the Jewish OT, you will quickly see that it is a veritable clinic on how NOT to worship God.

Thousands upon thousands of verses, from prophet after prophet, proclaim just how the Jews screwed-up time and again, and fell away from proper worship.

If Jews truly understood the scriptures that they were entrusted with, then they would now be called Christians.

Modern day Jews carry the heavy burden of knowingly rejecting God, when He came to them...of which, they will pay for when they are judged at the Second Death.

That is so true Bowman, they did over and over and over…I have thought to myself, how stupid of them. Yet, today people are doing worst. At least the Israelites knew they were not serving GOD, but people today think they are serving Jesus and they are not. They have been beguiled and deceived as the Bible stated that Devil has deceived the whole world. See Revelation 12:9, -- (9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ) They are serving that other Jesus in which Paul speaks about in 2 Corinthian 11:3-4, -- ( 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. )
I challenge you to tell me how you or any of this world is serving GOD, you are serving the Sun GOD – Nimrod --- as a sun worshiper. You let man tell you that you don’t have to obey GOD’s commandment and that certain things of the bible you do not have to do anymore, when Jesus states over and over in the New Testament to obey his commandments…just a few places: John 14:15 ( 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. ), John 15:14, ( 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. ) Matthew 19:17 ( 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. ), Proverbs 7:2 ( 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. ), and John 15:10 ( 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. )
So, please let me where today’s church has actually yield to the warning and not followed after the JEWS!
Jayoish

 

[Jayoish]

1. When you are FINALLY shown by the Holy Spirit that you cannot earn your way to heaven and that we walk by faith in Christ' grace; you will be better off!! Disregard the numbers,they dont line up with the body written Computer acting up!

God has made us many promises. I choose to believe him and walk in faith that he is the author of................

1. He has promised to supply every need we have. The Bible says: "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus". That's Phillipians 4:19. Now notice, God has obligated Himself only to the extent of our needs. That would include food, clothing, shelter, companionship, love, and salvation thru Jesus Christ. It would not include the multiplicity of luxuries that we have come to think of as needs.
2. God has promised that His grace is sufficient for us. (II Corinthians 12:9). in fact, He has made provision for our salvation by His grace through faith. Read Ephesians 2:8. It is through an obedient faith that we have access into the grace of God according to Romans 5:2.
3. God has promised that His children will not be overtaken with temptation. Instead, He assures us that a way of escape will be provided. This promise is recorded in I Corinthians 10:13. Jude wrote: "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present your faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy" (Jude v 24). Darius, King of the Medes, said to Daniel, "Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee" (Daniel 6:16). He did deliver Daniel from the den of lions.
4. God has promised us victory over death. He first resurrected Jesus by way of assuring our resurrection. Peter said: "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses" (Acts 2:32). Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (I Corinthians 15:3,4). Later on he adds: "but thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 15:57).
5. God has promised that all things work together for good to those who love and serve Him faithfully (Romans 8:28). It may be difficult for us to see and understand how this is accomplished at times, but God has promised it, and He will deliver.
6. God has promised that those who believe in Jesus and are baptized for the forgiveness of sins will be saved. (Read Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38).
7. God has promised His people eternal life (John 10:27,28). In closing, let me appeal to you to live so that the promises of God will be yours.

Can you just show me where it is in the Bible that Jesus promise to take you to heaven...because in John 7:34, Jesus states, ( 34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come. ). Please where is it? GOD promise you eternal life, but only to those who keep his commandments. please show me otherwise.


Jayoish

 

[Kaycie]

I do know that the Old Testament was a shadow of things to come. I am quite familiar with the Old Testament, and how it relates to the New Testament. And I know that some of the laws of the old Christ reinstated. But just because there are quotes from the old in the new does not mean we are still under the old. Jesus quoted from every Old Testament book except Song of Solomon (which was found along with copies of the bible), and this was necessary for it identifies these writings as scripture. And I disagree with you that it was only like the Pharisees and not the Jews themselves.

What did Peter say to the crowd of Jews? God has made this Jesus whom YOU crucified both Lord and Christ. And yes, I was saying that they are still waiting for the prophesied Messiah's first coming. And no, you're right, it was not all Jews, I was referring to those who practice that religion, who believe in Hanukkah and Maccabees, who don't like to celebrate Christmas because they don't believe the Christ came in the flesh yet.

 

[prove-all]

Matthew 21:43 KJV
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


According to this verse the kingdom was taken from Israel, meaning they are no longer God's Chosen people. It was given to another.

so where does it say Jesus was talking to Israel in that verse?

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,
they perceived that [he spake of them].

 

[prove-all]

For those in Christ Jesus who go back into the OT and thoroughly study, it becomes obvious
that prophecy of our Lord Jesus' coming as The Savior has always been there.

Behold, [the Lord cometh with] ten thousands of his saints

15And I will put [enmity between] thee and [the woman],
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

[#] born - died, name - age

[1st]. 0 - 930 Adam - 930
[2th]. 130-1042 Seth - 912
[3th]. 235-1140 Enos - 905
[4th]. 325-1235 Cainan - 910
[5th]. 395-1290 Mahalaleel - 895
[6th]. 460-1422 Jared - 962


[7th]. 622 - 987 Enoch - 365 he was [translated]

-Adam was alive when Enoch was on earth, but died before Enoch was translated.
7 generations all alive on earth at the same time, oral tradations?

And Enoch also, [the seventh] from Adam,[ prophesied of these],
saying, Behold, [the Lord cometh] with ten thousands of his saints,

- this [the word about the comming kingdom, when Christ returns] ,
the good news could have been preached to all alive then, even to Adam on.

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

 

[DP]

If what you say is true, then none which died before GOD's return will be held accountable, but you are wrong. The bible has always been there for us to read for ourselves and know the truth and it set up free. These people chose not to read it and do as GOD say, seek out their own salvation----Philippians 2:12 --( 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. ) Instead they allowed these Pastors to lie to them. In which, if they had read the Bible he warns them of that, as well. And to correct you, God did not put them in blindness so that the gospel could go to the Gentiles, Paul was teaching the Gentiles already. It is clear you do not understand, or you would know that Israel went under the Curse as told in Deuteronomy 28:15-68. That is what happen to them, not so the Gentile could teach this false doctrine in which everyone has been going by. Nothing they taught was correct, starting with the day in which they teach people to serve him, the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] day, instead of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day which is commanded that you hold a holy convocation. Which is one of the royal laws – Exodus 20:8-11 --- (8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. ). Everything a person need is in this Bible, so we are all accountable for our own choice, even if it is a choice not to seek out the truth.
As far as Roman 11, it is you who do not understand what Paul was revealing in these scriptures. It is not about the Gentile, but about punishing Israel, about teaching them a lesson. For example, in Roman 11:11 – ( 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.) Since Israel wanted to keep sinning against GOD with provoking him to jealousy with other GOD, then he allows salvation to go to the Gentile, to provoke them with a people he called no people. Gentile are nothing to GOD, but something to make Israel jealous with. Deuteronomy 32:21---- ( -- 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.--- ) This is still part of the punishment for Israel sinning against their GOD. Part of the curse, and yes salvation did go to the Gentile, but they did not do any better than Israel. At least Israel was teaching the gospel as given to them, the Gentiles are not teaching the bible at all, but fables, such as going to heaven, dead people are in heaven or hell, Jesus birth day is December 25[SUP]th[/SUP], Jesus died on good Friday and rose on Easter Sunday morning, GOD will rapture off his people before the great tribulation, and we are not under the law, Jesus nailed them to the cross. And I could go on and on with the lies and deceit!!!!!
So my question to you is, the dead people who have died before Jesus return and did not get the thousand years to be made aware and come into the knowledge, if you are correct, then how are they going to be judged? What happen to them? Please tell me.

Jayoish

I can see that something has stirred in your spirit a hatred for the Jews. It also appears through what you've said about them in several posts that you might think they are not even true Israel, when the reality is that certain numbers of foreigners of the Canaanite nations did creep in among Judah and Israel, but that does not mean all of the Jews are foreigners, for even Apostle Paul called himself a Jew, and also called Peter a Jew. The title Jew simply became a title used by the three tribed "house of Judah" left in the land after the majority of the ten tribes were removed by the kings of Assyria. The strangers of the nations living among them, including the leftover Canaanite bondservants of Solomon's day also took that title of Jew then. When the nation of Edom was destroyed, many of those Idumeans became religious Jews and dwelt in Judea (the Herods were Idumeans descended from Esau).

I've already shown in a previous post here on this thread ample Scripture showing that GOD indeed DID put spiritual BLINDNESS upon the majority of the Jews, which is what Paul was talking about in the section of Romans 11 I quoted.

But you decide to REJECT all that, and it's obvious you do that because of a hatred you have for the Jews, otherwise you wouldn't be so fast to want to cast them off because of their ignorance and blindness God put upon them for this world.

 

[Jayoish]

I do know that the Old Testament was a shadow of things to come. I am quite familiar with the Old Testament, and how it relates to the New Testament. And I know that some of the laws of the old Christ reinstated. But just because there are quotes from the old in the new does not mean we are still under the old. Jesus quoted from every Old Testament book except Song of Solomon (which was found along with copies of the bible), and this was necessary for it identifies these writings as scripture. And I disagree with you that it was only like the Pharisees and not the Jews themselves.

What did Peter say to the crowd of Jews? God has made this Jesus whom YOU crucified both Lord and Christ. And yes, I was saying that they are still waiting for the prophesied Messiah's first coming. And no, you're right, it was not all Jews, I was referring to those who practice that religion, who believe in Hanukkah and Maccabees, who don't like to celebrate Christmas because they don't believe the Christ came in the flesh yet.

Ok, Kaycie who took us away from under the law? and show me that in the bible. And not all Jews are still waiting, Peter who is an Israel, matter of fact all of the disciple whom are Israelite form one of the tribe knew Jesus had come. Now they are waiting for the 2nd coming. And the Jews, as you call them, but I say Israelite, don't celebrate Christmas because they know it was not Jesus birthday and that that holiday is pagan and it is not about Jesus. You foolish Christians are the only one deceived.

And you can disagree with me all you want, about which of the Israelite did not believe in Christ, but the Pharisee, the scribes and the Sadducees were supposed to be Israelites and they were the ones who rejected Christ because of their high position. They saw him as a threat because they were teaching the command, but not doing the commandment. They were hypocrites and Jesus showed them up for who they were. They were more into their traditions, in which they had established, than about GOD's commandments. see the following scriptures from the Bible and some is that Jesus himself had to say about the Pharisee and Sadducees...as you can see they did as I said feel threaten and were about their high position. So since he reveal them for the hypocrite they were, they had to get rid of him. Matthew 23:1-15 -- ( 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. ) and Matthew 15:1-9 -- ( 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ) And even after he was gone, they forbid the disciples to teach about him, not because he was not Jesus but for their own self image and position. It was about them keeping the high position and leading the people, not Jesus leading them. ACTS 4:1-14 – ( 1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide. 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand. 5 And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes, 6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem. 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this? 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, 9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. 14 And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. 15 But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, 16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it. 17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name. 18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. 20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. 21 So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done. ) The disciples continued teaching in Jesus name, but the high priests (Pharisees and Sadducees) were determine to stop them, even put them in prison for it. Acts 5:12-29 --- ( 12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. 13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. 17 Then the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him, (which is the sect of the Sadducees,) and were filled with indignation, 18 And laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison. 19 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, 20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life. 21 And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought. 22 But when the officers came, and found them not in the prison, they returned, and told, 23 Saying, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors: but when we had opened, we found no man within. 24 Now when the high priest and the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these things, they doubted of them whereunto this would grow. 25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people. 26 Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned. 27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, 28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. ) So therefore, I have not said anything without providing you proof and you have said a lot without support. I ask you to provide prove of your belief and comments. Show me where it is written!
Again who took us away from under the law, since Jesus state he did not come to destroy them and kept saying obey my commandments. Provide scriptures. As I have provided for you, although you won’t accept it because of your pride, just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees, who by the way, again were supposed to be one of the tribe of Israelite. I can’t say it was Jews, because part of the tribe of Benjamin and Levi were there too. And since the Levites were the priestly tribe, I would be more inclined to say there were Levites. (Teaching points for you)

I hope….
Jayoish