Question: Is There an Innerrant Bible?

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Willie-T said:
And then, in the Bible, we read... "As it is written" (with the quote following), and what is quoted cannot even be found ANYWHERE. (It's been a long time since DTS, but I'll try hard to remember where that is if no one else can help.)
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Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is this not written in the book of Jashar? So the sun stood still in the midst of the heaven, and it did not hasten to go down exactly a whole day.
 
jaybird88 said:
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is this not written in the book of Jashar? So the sun stood still in the midst of the heaven, and it did not hasten to go down exactly a whole day.
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Yeah I believe it is.
 
Willie-T said:
Actually, you could drive yourself nuts sweating all the extra books of the Bible. (Maybe some already have?) I mean there are something like 22 books mentioned in the Bible that aren't in the Bible.

And then, in the Bible, we read... "As it is written" (with the quote following), and what is quoted cannot even be found ANYWHERE. (It's been a long time since DTS, but I'll try hard to remember where that is if no one else can help.)
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Another issue is that there is no guarantee, or even likelihood that the pseudepigrapha that we have now aligns with the book's original form, or even that the original form doesn't teach wrong things. So tracking down those other books isn't that important.

Some Christians have went crazy with searching for truth in those books, even when they don't savor the plain truths of Scripture.

Paul quoted pagan poets on Mars Hill in Acts 17...it doesn't mean that their writings were inspired and have enduring truth. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Another example is the book of Enoch, which teaches that there were giants 100 feet tall. There's absolutely no archaeological proof of a being of that height, and I sincerely doubt it.

By the way there's all kinds of conspiracy theory nuts who come up with foolishness from pseudepigrapha including lizardlike aliens that are inhabiting human bodies. That sounds like the old TV series "V". I bet that's where they got their delusions and have simply forgotten its source.

Most of those books are available online here: Pseudepigrapha, Apocrypha and Sacred Writings

The reason the books were rejected in the canon related to the soundness of their doctrine. Scripture has the tone of authority and these books do not.

By the way the canon was pretty well in place before Roman Catholicism so the claim that the RCs may have left something out is pretty silly. I don't even think they existed as we know it until about 550 AD. Before that, they were simply a boastful bishopric.
 
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sparkman said:
Another example is the book of Enoch, which teaches that there were giants 100 feet tall. There's absolutely no archaeological proof of a being of that height, and I sincerely doubt it.
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Amos 2:9
And I destroyed the Amorites from before them, whose height is as the height of the cedar trees, and they are as strong as oaks, and I destroyed his fruit from above and his roots from below.

maybe our Lord was talking about baby ceder trees?
 
jaybird88 said:
Amos 2:9
And I destroyed the Amorites from before them, whose height is as the height of the cedar trees, and they are as strong as oaks, and I destroyed his fruit from above and his roots from below.

maybe our Lord was talking about baby ceder trees?
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All of that is metaphorical--height is greatness, oak is strength, fruit is production, roots is foundations.
 
Elin said:
All of that is metaphorical--height is greatness, oak is strength, fruit is production, roots is foundations.
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i get the metaphorical meaning, its usually in addition to what was actually said but your sayin that in this case when the Almighty Himself compares the height of the Amorites to ceder trees, its a false misleading statement as they were never that tall? not sure i agree.
 
Willie-T said:
Actually, you could drive yourself nuts sweating all the extra books of the Bible. (Maybe some already have?) I mean there are something like 22 books mentioned in the Bible that aren't in the Bible.

And then, in the Bible, we read... "As it is written" (with the quote following), and what is quoted cannot even be found ANYWHERE. (It's been a long time since DTS, but I'll try hard to remember where that is if no one else can help.)
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The Different Books Mentioned in the Bible:

A. Heavenly Books:

#1. The Word of God.
#2. The Lamb's Book of Life.
#3. The Book of Remembrance.
#4. Unnamed Book That Has All Our Members Written Within It.
#5. The Book (Scroll) of the Seven Seals.
#6. Unnamed Books of Judgment.
#7. The Unnamed Little Books That Ezekiel and John Eat.


B. Earthly Books:

I. Spiritual and or Prophetic:

#1. The Word of God.
#2. Samuel's Book of the Manner of the Kingdom.
#3. The Book of Nathan the Prophet.
#4. The Book of Gad the Seer.
#5. The Acts of Solomon.
#6. Solomon's Many Other Proverbs and Songs.
#7. The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite.
#8. The Story of the Prophet Iddo.
#9. The Visions of Iddo the Seer.
#10. The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet.
#11. The Sayings of the Seers.
#12. Paul's Earlier Epistle to the Corinthians About Fornication.


II. Historical:

#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. The Book of the Wars of the Lord.
#3. The Book of Jasher.
#4. David's Letter to Joab.
#5. The Book of Jehu.
#6. Jehu's 1st Letter to Samaria.
#7. Jehu's 2nd Letter to Samaria.
#8. Unfinished Record of Princes Not Added to Chronicles.
#9. Writings of David and Solomon on Passover Keepings.
#10. Actions of King Uzziah Not Recorded in the Book of Isaiah.
#11. Mordecai's Purim Announcement Letter to the Jews.
#12. Esther & Mordecai's 2nd Confirmation Letter of Purim.



C. Possible Other Books.

I. Heavenly Books:

#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. Library (Larger Than Earth) on the Complete Life of Jesus.


II. Earthly Books:

#1. The Book of the Kings of Israel.
#2. The Book of the Kings of Judah.
#3. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel.
#4. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah.



D. God's People Revealing Past New Oral Prophecies:

#1. Writer of Hebrews Reveals a New Oral Prophecy of Jesus.
#2. Jude Reveals an Unknown New Oral Prophecy of Enoch.


E. Secular or Wordly Writings in God's Word:

I. God's People Verbally Quoting Secular Writings:

#1. Paul Quotes an Inscription on an Athenian Altar.
#2. Paul Quotes Epimenides' de Oraculis.
#3. Paul Quotes Aratus' Phaenomena (A Poem).
#4. Paul Quotes Menander's Poetry.
#5. Paul Quotes Epimenides' Paradox.


II. Secular Works Transcribed (In Part or In It's Entirety):

#1. Jezebel's Letters to the Officials of Naboth's City.
#2. Sennacherib's Letter to Hezekiah.
#3. Huram's Letter to Solomon.
#4. Shemaiah's Letter to Zephaniah on the Exile Prophecy.
#5. King Cyrus's Proclamation to All His Kingdom.
#6. Enemies of Judah Led by 3 Men Write a Letter to Artaxerxes.
#7. Artaxerxes Letter in Reply to the 3 Men.
#8. Govenor Tatnai Writes to Darius About the Jews Rebuilding.
#9. Darius' Decree to Help Rebuild the Temple.
#10. Artaxerxe's Approval Letter to Ezra to Rebuild the Wall.
#11. Sanballat Threatens Nehemiah to Stop Building the Wall.
#12. Chief Captain Claudius Lysias' Letter to Governor Felix.


III. Secular Works Mentioned By Name But Not Shown:

#1. Benhadad's Letter to the King of Israel.
#2. Berodachbaladan's Letters to Hezekiah.
#3. Artaxerxe's Letters to Nehemiah in Rebuilding the Wall.
#4. Tobaiah & the Judean Noble's Letters Sent to Nehemiah.
#5. The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia.
#6. Xerxe's Unintended Decree (By Haman) to Kill the Jews.
#7. Xerxe's Decree for the Jews to Protect Themselves.
#8. High Priest's Letters Enabling Saul to Round-up Christians.
 
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posthuman said:
ok. so .. unicorns?
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Atheists (who are uninformed) like to poke holes in God's Word because they think unicorns are in reference to the mythological beast. But it really doesn't work. Actually, it is a word that is in reference to any one horned animal. For "unicorns" is even a word that is used by Science today (And they are not talking about the mythological horse like creature). Here is a Science book on unicorns.

 
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Willie-T said:
And yet you seem to think there were 66 books? The KJV was delivered, replete with every single book of the Apocrypha included in it.
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And they excised the Preface from the translators about welcoming more modern translations for God's kingdom's purposes. Naughty!
 
Andrew1 said:
Simple Question: Is (that's present tense not just the original autographs which no longer exist) the Bible (a tangible book you can hold in your hands containing within it the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments) The inerrant (that means it has no errors or mistakes) word of God? If yes, then where can I find this inerrant Bible with no mistakes?

inerrant:
free from error (Merriam-Webster)
free from error; infallible. (dictionary.com)
Incapable of being wrong (oxford dictionaries.com)
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Yep, there is an Inerrant Bible. It is called The Authorized King James Holy Bible. It is THE inerrant word of God.


How I Know That The King James Bible Is The Word Of God by James Melton
 
I hesitate to post this as you are getting very deep into words, wording, writers and translators. Just a thought though from a shallow thinker. I have read in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 about God sending a powerful delusion at the time of Satan's coming, so going by that I do not find it impractical to believe that God put errors in the scriptures to give those who won't believe more reasons not to believe. After all, the errors do not affect the most important part of His message of how to live and be saved. The errors are in, what I call "fluff", or peripheral information. I don't have to dive deep for this to work for me.
 
Crustyone said:
I hesitate to post this as you are getting very deep into words, wording, writers and translators. Just a thought though from a shallow thinker. I have read in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 about God sending a powerful delusion at the time of Satan's coming, so going by that I do not find it impractical to believe that God put errors in the scriptures to give those who won't believe more reasons not to believe. After all, the errors do not affect the most important part of His message of how to live and be saved. The errors are in, what I call "fluff", or peripheral information. I don't have to dive deep for this to work for me.
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No, no. The powerful delusion from God is more like a 'scales' on the eyelids sort of thing or hardening hardened hearts. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible containing errors, for God's Word is perfect.
 
I have some support on the word of God that it is true and infallible. By reading this book and seeking the author I have seen lives change, I have seen broken hearts mended, I have seen marriages put back together, I have seen stone cold people weep, I have seen Christians laying down their very lives. I have seen the homeless Fed, the naked covered, and family's reunited. I have seen the sick healed, the lame walk and the despaired have hope. I have seen sadness turn to joy , beauty from ashes and the dying have peace............all for a about 12.00 a copy from walmart
 
Jason0047 said:
I believe the KJV to be the preserved Word of God for our day. I believe it to be divinely inspired and perfect. That said, I do not agree with all KJV-onlyists that it is the easiest version to read. Many times the passages in the Old Testament are very confusing in the way that they are written because back then the folks in the 1600's spoke "Early Modern English" and they did not speak "Late Modern English" like we do today.

I also believe sometimes the Greek is more accurate to conveying what it says in the KJV in some cases. For example: I believe Matthew 10:28 should say "Lake of Fire" for the Greek word "Gehenna" and not "Hell." The KJV also uses the word "matrix" as a part of the birth process instead of just using a word that we would be familar with today. But this does not mean that the KJV is in error. No, no. Most certainly not. It just means that they spoke differently back then and we have to be open to looking at other translations so as to help guide us into what the KJV is saying sometimes. Granted, I would also caution someone to be careful when looking at Modern Translations, though, too. For in Modern Translations they have corrupted and eliminated many verses in the Holy Scriptures. In fact, in many of them, the devils's name is placed into them. Which of course is really wrong. But the Modern Translations are not entirely useless, though. They are just tools that you can use (Despite their imperfections). For there are many times Modern Versions have helped me greatly in understanding the KJV. So it's having a balance. Not going to one extreme or the other.
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Glad your a King James Bible believer, I don't think I really agree with everything you said but I'm not going to fight you. I would just caution against using modern versions to help you understand the King James Bible at least be careful when doing it, I think that has the potential to lead to error. But I'm glad were on the same team :)
 
Andrew1 said:
Glad your a King James Bible believer, I don't think I really agree with everything you said but I'm not going to fight you. I would just caution against using modern versions to help you understand the King James Bible at least be careful when doing it, I think that has the potential to lead to error. But I'm glad were on the same team :)
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Did you know that Jesus quoted from the KJV?
 
Crustyone said:
I hesitate to post this as you are getting very deep into words, wording, writers and translators. Just a thought though from a shallow thinker. I have read in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 about God sending a powerful delusion at the time of Satan's coming, so going by that I do not find it impractical to believe that God put errors in the scriptures to give those who won't believe more reasons not to believe. After all, the errors do not affect the most important part of His message of how to live and be saved. The errors are in, what I call "fluff", or peripheral information. I don't have to dive deep for this to work for me.
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You believe that God lied about so-called, non-essential issues? interesting.
 
Re: 40 Moth Swatters Vs. Skeptical Errors

Romolomo said:
Occam's Razor:

1. One creates a lengthy list attempting to justify an erring book.
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What is your proof?

How do you know that
1) lengthy objections do not call for a lengthy response?
2) in this context the list is not actually parsimonious?
3) the book is erring?
4) the attempt is to justify the book instead of to expose folly of skeptics?
5) Occam's Razor is relevant to the list?
6) Occam was correct?
 
Andrew1 said:
Actually my intent is to do the exact opposite, I'm trying to get people to admit their true position that they don't truly believe in inerrancy and then I can point them in the right direction from their. Their most absolutely is an inerrant Bible that can be believed 100%
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Have to ask... and what might that be?... just curious...

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace.
 
Humiliatus said:
Have to ask... and what might that be?... just curious...

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace.
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The King James Bible is the inerrant word of God in English. There has to be at least one Bible that is God's inerrant word. God cannot lie so his word must be 100% true regardless of whether or not a passage pertains to doctrine, it is after all God's word.
 
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