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How can you lose something you could never earn to begin with. Please explain this..
Question(s) to those who believe salvation can be lost
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John said they can not live in sin, Because they have been born of God. Whoever lives in sin has never seen God or known him
If salvation is losable, how can we possibly train for hell just in case
let's see, "all good things come from God"
hell is the absence of all good things (hence, all your "training" will "go down the drain")
therefore, it's pointless
Therefore, a losable salvation does not save anyone
let's see, "all good things come from God"
hell is the absence of all good things (hence, all your "training" will "go down the drain")
therefore, it's pointless
Therefore, a losable salvation does not save anyone
You are under grace but If you murder or commit adultery God and sociaty punish you
And you not under law
Have you watch a Movies about court?
Say Kim murder, than judge punish him, under the law number so and so
Punishment is under law.
But you believe If you murder Will be punish not under law?
So you believe murder every day is save as long as you believe Jesus is God?
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If I am under law. if I say a white lie, I am condemned forever.
it does not matter if I say one white lie, or say a million of them, I am just as guilty and will go to hell.
Grace removes the curse of the law. If your under law. You have no hope man. You beter come to christ. And don;t think because you do not murder your ok, Your not.. Your just as guilty as hitler apart from Christ.
exactly, if they continually sin, they never had him....its like people that repent...they feel great, but if they don't ask him to come in ( he stands at the door and knocks.) then they are swept, garnished..but EMPTY
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Believing jesus is God does not save you.
Even demons believe, and tremble
Do you realise you sin every day, Why do you think you are more worthy than that murderer, when the law says you both go to hell.
Yep, but you believe murder every day go to heaven because we are under grace don't you
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We all have our nessetting sins we may struggle with the rest of our life. But there is a huge difference between living in sin (as you did before savation) and commiting sin
How about this verse
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
jACKSON,..God will chastise us back to him and thank God he does, just like a parent will correct their child. , we do pay the consequences of wrong choices we do in life...but God isn't there waiting for us to make a mistake so he can say....ahhh haaa, I got them...let me see what punishment will be appropriate.......LOL.....
AGAIN like parents, he loves us and guides us back ...I am thankful for my spankings from my mom.....it taught me . , Jackson I hope you are searching for truth that is good.
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I believe a person under grace will go to heaven I sin every day, If a murderer goes to hell. So will I so will you, so will every man woman and child
Of course, I do nto believe a child of God can murder every day.. You have him doing that through Gods chastening.. If they do not listen to God chastening, then they sin unti death so they can;t sin anymore
Only a non child of God can continue to murder every day for years.
But then again, A liar is just as guilty as a murderer, all sin is equal in Gods eyes for spiritual death
So why do you focus on murder? You think it makes you right, all your doing is convincing yourself your right. Your not.
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A sinner sins every minute of every day, A person who has a bessetting sin just struggles with that sin. Like an alcoholic who struggles his whole life with alcohol.. They have good times and bad times. If they are saved, God is not going to kick them out of his family because they are sick, He loves them the same..
I do not understand how you make such connection, or what you are trying to prove, or what is the point of this seemingly irrelevant question that you asked here?
Jackson 123 you just answered one of your other questions with this verse.....we are not going to perish in hell if we belong to him. ..... read the story about swept garnished but empty in the bible..( matthew 12; 43-45)
..a preacher preached on this one sunday and 5 MEMBERS of the church got saved....they repented, and felt great....that feeling wasn't salvation it was their sins swept away, as they requested......but as the verse says, the demons came back and saw this person , swept, garnished but EMPTY......empty cause they repented, and got their sins forgiven...and satan whispers, you got saved you felt different supernatural different...........of course, your sins were forgiven...but remember he stands at the door and knocks.....if you do not ask him in, you are only got your sins forgiven.....look at the verse, it said , when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.....then he saith I will return into my house from whence I came out and when he is come, he findth it empTy, swept , and garnished, then goeth he, and taketh with himself 7 other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there; and the last state of the man is worse than the first. even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.....THIS IS THE PERSON THAT COMMITTED MURDER AGAIN AFTER REPENTING......you have to do more then repent, you have to ask Christ in , he doesn't jump in after you repent, he stands at the door and knocks you have to receive him in . ask him in...otherwise you will be swept garnished but EMPTY.
there may not be a desire to sin, but ...
what about the reflex of sin?
it can be as quick as a hand wincing away from touching a hot stove with the sense of heightened urgency
sin can react quicker than a blink of an eye
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why does the flesh (or sin nature) still exist (instead of ceasing to exist) and for what purpose or role (does the flesh exist for) during the process of sanctification?
the flesh exist cause we were born into sin, that ends at death, in the mean time, we battle against our sinful nature , and when weaken...sin happens
So you believe murderer every day go to heaven, but you say you sin every day, but not murderer
Sin every day go to heaven
Murder every day go to heaven, because we are under grace.
But you also believe the Wage of sin is death/spiritual death or hell
Seem to me you not agree with yourself