Question(s) to those who believe salvation can be lost

[Jan7777777]

A non believer is not going to be considered by God as a man after his own heart. In fact, Many believers will not get this honor.. Very few people will get this, I am not even sure I have this honor. In fact I would say I do not..

I have seen men go to the altar and say they got saved every single service..... they were seeking, like David, David desired to please God's heart persay. that's not salvation...thats a strong desire.....don't we all long to find favor with God.... we Christians desire to live the way his commandments instruct us to. being a man after God's heart is pleasing to God, he sees a person that wants to please him.... its still not salvation

 

[Jan7777777]

A non believer is not going to be considered by God as a man after his own heart. In fact, Many believers will not get this honor.. Very few people will get this, I am not even sure I have this honor. In fact I would say I do not..

I sam.13:14 - But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.

God appointed him to be captain because of his heart.

 

[RickyZ]

Before sin, was Adam and eve child of God?

Adam and Eve were created, not born. So no they were not children of God

 

[RickyZ]

I know we save by faith not by work, but real faith is like a branch that abide to the tree, It Will produce a good fruit or good work

Work not produce salvation but

Salvation produce work.

Exactly. So if the work of the person is bad, then the salvation behind it is false or questionable.

 

[Jackson123]

The bible doesn't say they were saved but by them paying consequences for their sin, it would appear, but that would be assuming, I have to go by his word, it did not say they were saved, or lost....so you need to pray and ask God that question. it appears you think people will not sin after they are saved..... people SHOULDNT but remember we were born into sinful nature. we battle it daily. I think your focus needs to be on God not sinning. Focus on him, seek him, read his word, its fascinating, every time I read a passage again, I find something I did not see before. dissecting his word or his children will get you no where.... satan is constantly keeping your mind on murder or sin.

I am not ask If they save or not, I am ask If they child of God before they sin !

 

[Jackson123]

Exactly. So if the work of the person is bad, then the salvation behind it is false or questionable.

Yep I agree. Murder every day is not save and If he was save Will lose his salvation

 

[Jackson123]

Adam and Eve were created, not born. So no they were not children of God

Spiritually is he not child of God? I am born of my mom but after I accept Jesus I am born of God.

 

[Jackson123]

what verse says he was saved?

I do not know, but God chose David because because God see his heart is right

1 Samuel 16:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have seen men go to the altar and say they got saved every single service..... they were seeking, like David, David desired to please God's heart persay. that's not salvation...thats a strong desire.....don't we all long to find favor with God.... we Christians desire to live the way his commandments instruct us to. being a man after God's heart is pleasing to God, he sees a person that wants to please him.... its still not salvation

Hey sis, David was not seeking in that account, God was. He was seeking who would be the heir to the throne. Everyone thought it would be someone else. God said no. I chose the young one, who is out taking care of his sheep. Who is proving to be trutworthy. He proved his true faith in God by doing all the things he did, Including fighting off Lions, Killing Goliath.

I have seen people walk up to alters to. I have even seen and heard them say sinners prayers. But never saw any fruit. I doubt they were saved either. But we can know that God considered david a man after his own heart because he KNEW the great things he would do (he even knew the great sins he would commit, which is why GRACE prevails.. God loves his children.

 

[RickyZ]

Spiritually is he not child of God? I am born of my mom but after I accept Jesus I am born of God.

Adam and Eve did not have Jesus to accept. But yes they were created of God's spirit.

 

[Jackson123]

Adam and Eve did not have Jesus to accept. But yes they were created of God's spirit.

So they was save before sin aren't they

 

[justpassinthrough]

there are church members that has joined the church but it doesn't mean they are saved.

I never mentioned “church members”.

The Bible doesn’t mention “church members”


People who are in Christ.




JLB

 

[Jan7777777]

I do not know, but God chose David because because God see his heart is right

1 Samuel 16:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

that's not saying he was saved in that verse....
.....God does look on inward man, cause he knows even their thoughts, so when they REALLY repent, he knows....when they just SAY they did and the fruits later show they didn't, we mankind, only see the outward person...God knows if someone really repents. if they go and 'murder daily' as you say...they didn't repent …meaningless words

 

[Jan7777777]

Hey sis, David was not seeking in that account, God was. He was seeking who would be the heir to the throne. Everyone thought it would be someone else. God said no. I chose the young one, who is out taking care of his sheep. Who is proving to be trutworthy. He proved his true faith in God by doing all the things he did, Including fighting off Lions, Killing Goliath.

I have seen people walk up to alters to. I have even seen and heard them say sinners prayers. But never saw any fruit. I doubt they were saved either. But we can know that God considered david a man after his own heart because he KNEW the great things he would do (he even knew the great sins he would commit, which is why GRACE prevails.. God loves his children.

I agree

 

[Jan7777777]

I never mentioned “church members”.

The Bible doesn’t mention “church members”


People who are in Christ.




JLB

I am not sure I posted anything to your quote, I may have placed it in the wrong box sorry

 

[Jackson123]

that's not saying he was saved in that verse....
.....God does look on inward man, cause he knows even their thoughts, so when they REALLY repent, he knows....when they just SAY they did and the fruits later show they didn't, we mankind, only see the outward person...God knows if someone really repents. if they go and 'murder daily' as you say...they didn't repent …meaningless words

How about Adam, before sin he is save isn't he?

 

[justpassinthrough]

Repenting and confessing our sin to God, to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness is the to continue with the Lord; to abide in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24




If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6



This is the principle, Jesus was teaching in the parable of the lost sheep.


Being forgiven.



Matthew shows us how to regain someone who sins against us.





How can someone be joined to Christ without believing?



JLB

 

[Jackson123]

How about Adam, before sin he is save isn't he?

Because sis jan not respon, I am going to make my own conclution.

The Wage of sin is death, so before sin there was No death It mean before sin, Adam was life or save.


Sin make Adam change from life to death

It mean, sin make Adam lost his life or salvation.

Then he lost his right to live in the Garden of Eden,

His ofspring Carry his DNA. Die, because broke the relationship with God as the source of live.


Jesus come to bring human whosoever believe in him to the original Adam before sin, back to have relationship to God.


Like Adam had posibility to broke relation with God and lost his life/ or salvation


We had the same oportunity.

 

[Absolutely]

Where do you get this? Sorry, this is not in the word..again, it would be excusing david for sin. Sin is sin is sin, lets keep sin where it belongs and not excuse it. Ok?

Ok.
Show me.
Show me God or the prophet correcting him or even David repenting of what you are charging him with.
I will wait

 

[Absolutely]

Davids sin with batsheba was prety serious, Then he killed her husband.

Adultry is sin, The penalty of sin is death

David had more than one wife. That means he commited adultry many times

Again, the penalty of sin is death.

Nope.
Not anymore than Abraham marrying his sister.

You are attaching meaning other than what is there.
No way could David have been so intimate with God and the Holy Spirit while at the same time being immersed in adultery.

In fact,God told Solomon ( or someone)
"David did righteous all his life and never stumbled, except for the matter with Uriah"

Davids many wives were spot on. Nothing at all wrong