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"Immaculate conception. " is false.

The term "Immaculate Conception" is frequently misunderstood by many Protestants and non-Catholics to mean the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ. However, this is a distinct mistake, as the doctrine actually refers to the conception of Mary herself by her mother.
The Meaning....
The official doctrine, defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854, asserts that the Virgin Mary was preserved free from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her own conception. This was purportedly done through a special grace of God in view of the merits of Jesus Christ.

Separation from Humanity
This doctrine creates a significant theological barrier between the Saviour and the people He came to redeem. By giving Mary a "perfect human nature" free from original sin, the dogma effectively separates Jesus from the human family in its fallen state.

It puts Jesus infinitely beyond the reach of humanity, making Him appear as though He is further from us than the cherubim and seraphim.
Because this doctrine places Jesus so far away, it suggests that mankind cannot approach Him directly and instead requires the mediation of Mary and other saints.
The Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus was made in the "likeness of sinful flesh" and took our nature with all its infirmities to be united with man in his fallen condition
Romans 8:3
Hebrews 2:14

Accepting the Immaculate Conception of Mary strikes at the heart of Christianity because it denies that Christ came in the same sinful flesh that all humans possess
If Mary were born without sinful tendencies, then Christ could not truly be touched with the feeling of our infirmities or be tempted in all points as we are Hebrews 4:15.

Logical Extremes: Critics of the doctrine have noted that if Mary had to be sinless to give birth to a holy Son, then by the same logic, her parents and all her ancestors would also have to be immaculately conceived, which contradicts the reality of the fall of man Psalms 51:5

This dogma is seen as perverting Christianity into "Marianism," where the worship of a woman is virtually substituted for the worship of Christ

The true hope of the gospel is not a Savior removed from us by a "perfect" lineage, but "Christ in you, the hope of glory," the One who is an abiding presence and who condemned sin in the very flesh He inherited from His mother Mary Colossians 1:27
 
Yes I agree 100% man and 100% God.

But I believe the understanding of sin has been twisted. It is not a sin to be tempted. JESUS WAS TEMPTED.
when temptation is given into it becomes sin. JESUS NEVER SINNED

But Jesus was tempted in all points like us yet without sin.

For Jesus to come and be protected from temptation and not have a sinful nature like us, then how could He say He was tempted like us.

Follow the genes of Mary and you will find sinful people in that line. The teaching that Mary was sinless is a catholic doctrine, based on sin being inherited. Or based on people being a sinner before they are even born. Which is false.

Sin is a choice not something we are born with. A sinful nature does not automatically make us a sinner.

Thats why i said he never consummated the sin nature he was born with, he never activated it.
I think we are born with a sinful nature, to be capable of sin. But we aren't born sinners, we become sinners when we like you said choose to do so.
 
"Immaculate conception. " is false.

The term "Immaculate Conception" is frequently misunderstood by many Protestants and non-Catholics to mean the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ. However, this is a distinct mistake, as the doctrine actually refers to the conception of Mary herself by her mother.
The Meaning....
The official doctrine, defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854, asserts that the Virgin Mary was preserved free from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her own conception. This was purportedly done through a special grace of God in view of the merits of Jesus Christ.

Separation from Humanity
This doctrine creates a significant theological barrier between the Saviour and the people He came to redeem. By giving Mary a "perfect human nature" free from original sin, the dogma effectively separates Jesus from the human family in its fallen state.

It puts Jesus infinitely beyond the reach of humanity, making Him appear as though He is further from us than the cherubim and seraphim.
Because this doctrine places Jesus so far away, it suggests that mankind cannot approach Him directly and instead requires the mediation of Mary and other saints.
The Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus was made in the "likeness of sinful flesh" and took our nature with all its infirmities to be united with man in his fallen condition
Romans 8:3
Hebrews 2:14

Accepting the Immaculate Conception of Mary strikes at the heart of Christianity because it denies that Christ came in the same sinful flesh that all humans possess
If Mary were born without sinful tendencies, then Christ could not truly be touched with the feeling of our infirmities or be tempted in all points as we are Hebrews 4:15.

Logical Extremes: Critics of the doctrine have noted that if Mary had to be sinless to give birth to a holy Son, then by the same logic, her parents and all her ancestors would also have to be immaculately conceived, which contradicts the reality of the fall of man Psalms 51:5

This dogma is seen as perverting Christianity into "Marianism," where the worship of a woman is virtually substituted for the worship of Christ

The true hope of the gospel is not a Savior removed from us by a "perfect" lineage, but "Christ in you, the hope of glory," the One who is an abiding presence and who condemned sin in the very flesh He inherited from His mother Mary Colossians 1:27

Yes, applying the miracle of immaculate conception to Mary is ridiculous.
If she needed to be sinless, then why not her mother? grandmother? Eve?

I still think Jesus did not inherit his genes from her tainted ones.
 
I have not seen Musk talking about his beliefs re God and Jesus.

It was a few years ago when I heard him say in an interview sitting in the back seat of his car that he doesn't believe in God.

Recent articles say he now believes there could be a creator of everything. But his faith is admittedly in physics.
 
RQ: Did Adam (and Eve) have to sin?

Would "Yes" mean A&E could not be blamed justly for eating?

Would "No" mean A&E were morally perfect?

Were A&E created as morally perfect?

How could moral perfection be achieved?

Was the only way to achieve moral perfection in humans via the process we call salvation history culminating with Christ and sanctification via cooperation with the HS?

Was A&E's sin inevitable, which is why Genesis does not describe a period of moral goodness between their creation and sin?

Bumped for discussion.
 
Bumped for discussion.

Okay, I will discuss with my alter ego.

Yes, because A&E were fallible humans, their volition (MFW) was very good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31).
Thus, making the theoretical evil option actual (sin) was inevitable, although not part of their DNA,
and because sin was unforced, they were justly guilty or blameworthy (Gen. 3:7).

However, God foreknew they would sin and had them covered (Gen. 3:21, Rom. 3:21-26).
God's covering cleanses humanity from sin and qualifies them for eternal joy.
 
Okay, I will discuss with my alter ego.

Yes, because A&E were fallible humans, their volition (MFW) was very good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31).
Thus, making the theoretical evil option actual (sin) was inevitable, although not part of their DNA,
and because sin was unforced, they were justly guilty or blameworthy (Gen. 3:7).

However, God foreknew they would sin and had them covered (Gen. 3:21, Rom. 3:21-26).
God's covering cleanses humanity from sin and qualifies them for eternal joy.

IF they cooperate (Gen. 4:6-7, Rom. 3:20-5:11).
 
Israel is my firstborn , God's own words , how can we contradict them ? Psalm 2 , also God's words , don't know for sure who wrote Psalm 1 or 2 , it doesn't say but they r certainly prophetic .
 
Israel is my firstborn , God's own words , how can we contradict them ? Psalm 2 , also God's words , don't know for sure who wrote Psalm 1 or 2 , it doesn't say but they r certainly prophetic .

Keep in mind that Abraham was reborn before Israel and fathered all spiritual Jews (Rom. 4).
 
RQ: What mathematical design serves as an apt metaphor for God's fundamental requirement for salvation?
 
Question #1: Are there other earths with human life on them?

My answer: I doubt it, although I have seen people say there must be, because there are so many billions of suns in the universe, but I do not understand how one could arrive at an estimate of probability from a known case of only one--US!

Your answer?...
When it comes to truth, your doubt sounds good based on people saying there must be without being able to prove it. Since the answer isn't necessarily confirmable, there's still the possibility of another planet that can support life and the possibility of not being another. Now your claim of a known case of only one is limited to your knowledge if you mean that, but there's a possibility of someone or others having knowledge of other livable planets. Now, perfection is all around US, information told to us or shown to us could actually contain evidence of life on other planets or something like that. They say truth is stranger than fiction, what if it's a possibility that truth is in disguise of being fiction and you have already witnessed life from another planet and didn't even recognize it?
 
When it comes to truth, your doubt sounds good based on people saying there must be without being able to prove it. Since the answer isn't necessarily confirmable, there's still the possibility of another planet that can support life and the possibility of not being another. Now your claim of a known case of only one is limited to your knowledge if you mean that, but there's a possibility of someone or others having knowledge of other livable planets. Now, perfection is all around US, information told to us or shown to us could actually contain evidence of life on other planets or something like that. They say truth is stranger than fiction, what if it's a possibility that truth is in disguise of being fiction and you have already witnessed life from another planet and didn't even recognize it?
Imho God doesn't say He created any other world or does He? Any such being is not of God is what I'll say. 'There's nothing to suggest such a thing in the Bible.
 
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RQ: What mathematical design serves as an apt metaphor for God's fundamental requirement for salvation?

Answer: fractals.

As I prayed about the most primitive but universal truth souls must believe in order to be saved, I received the insight that the soteriological nucleus (GRFS) can be compared to a fractal design. A fractal is a never-ending geometric pattern where a shape repeats itself in smaller and smaller sizes, so that when you zoom in on a fractal design forever, you see each part is a microcosm of the whole design. What is the soteriological shape/fractal truth in the divine design/plan? God's Love (1John 4:7-16).

Jesus implied that a child too young to know Scripture can be saved (Matt. 19:14), and Paul indicated every sinner who has ever lived has no excuse for not reflecting the Creator's good/loving nature (Rom. 1:20, 2:6-11, 5:5). This kerygmatic truth is the fractal fact all on who are saved (including on CC) agree on, no matter which aspect of the hippo/design they see from where they are. This is what we have called the foreshadowed or proto-Gospel.
 
RQ: Can God be evil? Is God the Father able to change His will, is God the Son free to sin, and could God the Holy Spirit become demonic?
 
RQ: Can God be evil? Is God the Father able to change His will, is God the Son free to sin, and could God the Holy Spirit become demonic?

Yes.

If God cannot do what He has decreed to be evil, then He would not be as free as volitional humans created in His image, and there would be no basis for praising His holiness. Paul (in Rom. 9:16-21) upholds the freedom of God to love or hate as He chooses. Just as God created physical laws such as gravity, so He created moral laws such as “love everyone” and determined a plan of salvation involving the atoning death of Messiah (Himself) to win our redemption from hell. Thou shalt love (Matt. 22:37-40).

The cliché “might makes right” is true; it is because God is almighty that only He can determine what is right ultimately. There is no super-divine authority that determines God; God is self-determined. The only basis humans have for evaluating whether God is just is understanding how God’s acts and judgments are consistent with the moral principles He has ordained for those created in His image (Rom. 3:22-26). God’s decision to be all-loving is rational, because God is pleased by doing good for creatures, and it is free because God could have chosen to anoint Satan to embody evil logic/lies rather than Jesus to manifest love and truth (John 1:14, Phil. 2:9-11), and this earthly existence would be hell (Rev. 19:11-13, 20:7-10 & 21:6-8).

If God were ever to change His mind, it would mean that God is tricky and that morality is ultimately arbitrary. Thus, ultimate reality would indeed be a farce (although we are unable to imagine an alternative moral reality in detail, cf. Kant). This is why we should not take God and divine love for granted. Instead, we should be eternally grateful that God has decreed loving to be right, and He promises never to change (Mal. 3:6). Let us praise God in the spirit of Psa. 66:1: “Shout with joy to God, all the earth! Sing to the glory of his name; Offer him glory and praise!” 🎶👏