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miktre
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Nah, you can't understand its never been about that and never was nor ever will be. It's about the truth and exposing the lies that have swept the church as the world is being prepared for the endtimes. If you think this is about the last word then you might as well not post in this thread any more, you'll be wasting your time and mine.Have you noticed that Mikre always needs to have the last word?
Pastor Joe speaks of the endtime lie.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8KBOzflpnM[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8KBOzflpnM[/video]
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greatkraw
Guest
Have you noticed that Mikre always needs to have the last word?
So did Adolf Hitler
and his message
is just as bad as MIKTRE
considering
his is based off of his version of supposedly what GOD was trying to say.......
ATLEAST
Hitler
was preaching
Mythology
to give us a better understanding of.......... his madness..........
IM
AFRAID
MIKTRE
is just preaching
A
LIE
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greatkraw
Guest
The Nazis discovered something very important
1 if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe it
2 the speed at which a lie spreads is proportional to its magnitude
1 if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe it
2 the speed at which a lie spreads is proportional to its magnitude
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miktre
Guest
We are not going to focus on the hateful comments rather continue to post sound scripture .
I touched on this earlier and I will go over it to let the reader know if you have the seal of God, His wrath will not hurt you, don't worship the first to come, the fake satan trying to be Christ and you have abouslutly nothing to fear Friends. Rejoyce for you are a child of God!
Lets start with the 7 viles. They are seven viles of wrath for those who took part in unrighteness. We shall document when exactly Christ comes and we shall see if God's wrath shall hurt his beloved Children.
Lets look at Revelations 16 and see what we can learn:
Revelation 16
1And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Yikes I do not wanna be the one who follows the fake! You don't either friend, rather rejoyce for you received the love of the truth.
3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
They killed some of us that spoke the truth in those last days, and they thought they God a favor! They thought satan was the messiah! But not you friend, you love the truth and understood the simplicity in which Christ taught.
7And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Thats a lot of wrath for those who took the mark.
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
OK heres the sixth vile. The question is has Christ come and already raptured us away or are we still awaiting Him?
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
These are the three roles of anti-christ
1. dragon=satan himself as the false god that sitteth in the temple
2. the beast= satan the spiritual leader and the fallen angels and one world system
3. the false prophet= satans spiritual deception and lies that fools mankind.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Satan has lied to the point of them beleiving that a evil one comes to destroy the party. This is when I personnally believe that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will occur for many will claim Christ has an evil spirit in which He performs these things.
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Now if you believe in the rapture this should have your attention. Be honest I know you heard Christ teach this. Now how many times have you heard a rapture teacher tell you be ready because this means rapture. Now ask yourself, wait a minute in light of this information isn't there something not right about the whole thing? Your good works are the only thing you can take with you. If you have no good works you will be naked as a jay bird.
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
This is our gathering together when Christ returns.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
That's it, it's over were with Christ and theres no help for the others.
18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Nobody survives this, talent is around 180lbs.
I touched on this earlier and I will go over it to let the reader know if you have the seal of God, His wrath will not hurt you, don't worship the first to come, the fake satan trying to be Christ and you have abouslutly nothing to fear Friends. Rejoyce for you are a child of God!
Lets start with the 7 viles. They are seven viles of wrath for those who took part in unrighteness. We shall document when exactly Christ comes and we shall see if God's wrath shall hurt his beloved Children.
Lets look at Revelations 16 and see what we can learn:
Revelation 16
1And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Yikes I do not wanna be the one who follows the fake! You don't either friend, rather rejoyce for you received the love of the truth.
3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
They killed some of us that spoke the truth in those last days, and they thought they God a favor! They thought satan was the messiah! But not you friend, you love the truth and understood the simplicity in which Christ taught.
7And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Thats a lot of wrath for those who took the mark.
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
OK heres the sixth vile. The question is has Christ come and already raptured us away or are we still awaiting Him?
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
These are the three roles of anti-christ
1. dragon=satan himself as the false god that sitteth in the temple
2. the beast= satan the spiritual leader and the fallen angels and one world system
3. the false prophet= satans spiritual deception and lies that fools mankind.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Satan has lied to the point of them beleiving that a evil one comes to destroy the party. This is when I personnally believe that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will occur for many will claim Christ has an evil spirit in which He performs these things.
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Now if you believe in the rapture this should have your attention. Be honest I know you heard Christ teach this. Now how many times have you heard a rapture teacher tell you be ready because this means rapture. Now ask yourself, wait a minute in light of this information isn't there something not right about the whole thing? Your good works are the only thing you can take with you. If you have no good works you will be naked as a jay bird.
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
This is our gathering together when Christ returns.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
That's it, it's over were with Christ and theres no help for the others.
18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Nobody survives this, talent is around 180lbs.
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greatkraw
Guest
Revelation 16
1And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, "Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."
2And the first went and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men who had the mark of the beast and upon them that worshiped his image.
3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man, and every living soul died in the sea.
4And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5And I heard the angel of the waters say, "Thou art righteous, O Lord, who art, and wast, and shall be, because Thou hast judged thus;
6for they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and Thou hast given them blood to drink, for they are worthy."
7And I heard another out of the altar say, "Even so, Lord God Almighty; true and righteous are Thy judgments."
8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God, who hath power over these plagues; and they repented not to give Him glory.
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness, and they gnawed their tongues from pain;
11and they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14For they are the spirits of devils working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world to gather them for the battle of that great Day of God Almighty.
15"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
16And he gathered them together at a place called in the Hebrew tongue, Armageddon.
(the kings of the earth and the whole world see v14)
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of Heaven from the throne, saying, "IT IS DONE!"
18And there were voices and thunders and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as has not been since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and great Babylon came to remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent. And men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
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miktre
Guest
I noticed you didn't, for whatever reason, address the key scripture I posted.
15"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
15"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
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greatkraw
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Revelation 16:15
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
Behold, I am coming like a thief = is often associated with the coming of the eschatological Day of the Lord (2 Peter 3:10).
Given a literal interpretation of the trumpet and bowl judgments, it is beyond comprehension that any man on earth would continue to resist God’s rule and authority. Revelation 16:14 indicates that Satan/Antichrist/False Prophet will utilize demonic deception to gather "the kings of the whole world" "for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty." It is in this context that the Lord Jesus offers one of His clearest warnings. He states, "Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame."
Incorrectly some have taken the reference, "Behold, I am coming like a thief" to refer to the Rapture. However, this conclusion fails to appreciate not only the context, but also the historical usage of this phrase. Jesus states in John 10:10, "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy…." This is the purpose of a thief.
However, there is another issue related to the coming of a thief. This concerns his modus operandi (how he operates). That is, a thief comes suddenly and unexpectedly. The apostle Paul indicates "that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night (1 Thess. 5:2)." Paul indicates that in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 the point of the figure of speech is "suddenness." Therefore, the question concerning Revelation 16:15 is this: is the point that the Lord makes in Revelation 16:15 one of purpose or modus operandi? On the other hand, it could be both. A closer examination will reveal the correct answer.
The point is obvious: the Lord will suddenly appear and the unprepared will suffer a great disaster. In the context of the sixth bowl, which gathers "the kings of the whole world" "for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty" this is clearly a warning—stay away. This is the only way to prevent a disaster at Armageddon for "the kings of the whole world." If they come to the battle, they will die.
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miktre
Guest
If you're just gonna copy and paste stuff from a website, might as well just give us the link.
http://www.revelationcommentary.org/16_chapter.html
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greatkraw
Guest
Christ doesnt come between vials
we hear it is done, after the 7th vial is opened
then we see the results of the 7th vial
a couple of chapters later we see Christ come back AND HIS BRIDE IS WITH HIM
AND SHE HAS(had time to)MADE HERSELF READY
we hear it is done, after the 7th vial is opened
then we see the results of the 7th vial
a couple of chapters later we see Christ come back AND HIS BRIDE IS WITH HIM
AND SHE HAS(had time to)MADE HERSELF READY
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miktre
Guest
Yes your right, its at the beginning of the 7th vile and not at the very end of the sixth.
However, that doesn't take away from the warning at the sixth vile it's not just there as empty words. It's there for a reason.
Fail to see the connection with AND HIS BRIDE IS WITH HIM
AND SHE HAS(had time to)MADE HERSELF READY.
If she was already raptured there would be no warning "Behold I come as a theif"
Of course, people miss the obvious, if Jesus ever thought his disciples would be raptured before His coming, He would not have given them all the information that he did concerning the end times and His coming and to "watch and pray". No body who is raptured is watching and praying for Christ's return on earth..
MIKTRE
you remind me of a child
who looks up a word in the dictionary and after only reading the first set of words explaining the meaning
GOES OFF
on a tangent telling everyone this is what this means
when
IN FACT
the meaning he has labeled to his new word is just only the paraphrases accentuating characteristics of the word
but NOT THE EXACT MEANING
AND
just as a child would continue on and act
this is how you and your false doctrine is that you are trying to cram down
from what I have read and seen
EVERYONE which OPPOSES YOU
but possibly 1
GET A CLUE
this is not a revelation of some hidden scripture you are trying to convince us with
IN FACT
of all the millions who understand this to be PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
tells me not only by scripture but your own walk in GOD
is odd
COMPARED
to those before all of us who WE are convinced and know to believe to be our examples of how to live for GOD is
which tells me
MAYBE
you need to step back and focus on something more than just your opinion
BUT
your walk in GOD
you remind me of a child
who looks up a word in the dictionary and after only reading the first set of words explaining the meaning
GOES OFF
on a tangent telling everyone this is what this means
when
IN FACT
the meaning he has labeled to his new word is just only the paraphrases accentuating characteristics of the word
but NOT THE EXACT MEANING
AND
just as a child would continue on and act
this is how you and your false doctrine is that you are trying to cram down
from what I have read and seen
EVERYONE which OPPOSES YOU
but possibly 1
GET A CLUE
this is not a revelation of some hidden scripture you are trying to convince us with
IN FACT
of all the millions who understand this to be PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
tells me not only by scripture but your own walk in GOD
is odd
COMPARED
to those before all of us who WE are convinced and know to believe to be our examples of how to live for GOD is
which tells me
MAYBE
you need to step back and focus on something more than just your opinion
BUT
your walk in GOD
i think a lot of modern day Christians have forgotten some of the scripture, unfortunately... with so many modern day teachings, theology, and doctrine, it's easy to just listen to people who are teaching their opinion, and then not even go to the Word to see what they are saying is Biblical truth or not.
we have to remember that the Day of the Lord is when Jesus Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, and it splits in half
Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
if a man comes claiming to be Christ and everyone flocks to him, yet the Mount of Olives hasn't been split open yet, know that the man is not Jesus Christ, but the Man of Sin.
God gave us warning signs, and told us everything ahead of time, so that our faith would not be shaken. Christ told us we would endure tribulation. Christ told us He would return after the tribulation of those days... Jesus told us to be patient, to endure, to persevere, and to remain faithful. Noah was not raptured from the earth, Lot was not raptured from the earth, the Jews in the time of Moses were not raptured from the earth, Daniel was not raptured from the earth, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not raptured from the earth in their times of tribulation.
the servant is not above the master... what Christ went through, the church will also go through... as we see events around us today in the world it's only starting to begin... but don't be troubled by it. Rejoice in the fact that the New Heaven and the New Earth are coming soon
we have to remember that the Day of the Lord is when Jesus Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, and it splits in half
Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
if a man comes claiming to be Christ and everyone flocks to him, yet the Mount of Olives hasn't been split open yet, know that the man is not Jesus Christ, but the Man of Sin.
God gave us warning signs, and told us everything ahead of time, so that our faith would not be shaken. Christ told us we would endure tribulation. Christ told us He would return after the tribulation of those days... Jesus told us to be patient, to endure, to persevere, and to remain faithful. Noah was not raptured from the earth, Lot was not raptured from the earth, the Jews in the time of Moses were not raptured from the earth, Daniel was not raptured from the earth, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not raptured from the earth in their times of tribulation.
the servant is not above the master... what Christ went through, the church will also go through... as we see events around us today in the world it's only starting to begin... but don't be troubled by it. Rejoice in the fact that the New Heaven and the New Earth are coming soon
Good post Zilla. The Day of the Lord can also mean when judgement comes I believe.
No pre-tribulationist yet has been able to show in the bible where anyone was raptured before tribulation.
No pre-tribulationist yet has been able to show any more than 1 early church writings that even hints at such an idea.
No pre-tribulationist makes sense IMO. See what Corrie Ten Boom had to say. No person who has actually been through persecution or tribulation would believe in pre-tribulation rapture.
Pre-tribulation rapture has always been the white man's comfy lounge chair believer's doctrine, who think tribulation is when their shoes go missing. Blind to the fact that God is rapturing no body enduring tribulation right now in parts of the world, they presume that God will rapture them because their pastor told them so in a lazy and comfortable Sunday church sermon.
No pre-tribulationist yet has been able to show in the bible where anyone was raptured before tribulation.
No pre-tribulationist yet has been able to show any more than 1 early church writings that even hints at such an idea.
No pre-tribulationist makes sense IMO. See what Corrie Ten Boom had to say. No person who has actually been through persecution or tribulation would believe in pre-tribulation rapture.
Pre-tribulation rapture has always been the white man's comfy lounge chair believer's doctrine, who think tribulation is when their shoes go missing. Blind to the fact that God is rapturing no body enduring tribulation right now in parts of the world, they presume that God will rapture them because their pastor told them so in a lazy and comfortable Sunday church sermon.
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blizz
Guest
At first i was wondering why you would bring such an evil message to this room.... as the message ended I saw the point of it and realize that there is a severe following of a false Christ that is going to happen and it seems as if it is already in the process... if you look at government today and the attitudes and decisions of the people in command of todays government it can be nothing less than apparent to those that pay attention to it... LET EVERYONE PRAY THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT DECIEVED BY THIS FALSERY AND SAVED BY THE GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST... i feel that the message that everyone should be aware of is that there is no way to the Father except through Jesus and all prayers should be in his name... dont be decieved by the devils trickery thats what he is good at and followers should be aware... the truth will set you free... Amen
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blizz
Guest
when that video ended and the related posts were displayed.... did anyone else notice all the 6's?