Rapture= false teaching

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miktre said:
The world is being prepared for the greatest deception in the history of man. The Antichrist is satan himself and he is coming to decieve. He is the son of perdition, meaning he is the only one that has been pre-judged to burn in hell before judgment day, not Judas . He wants to decieve as many as possible before he goes down. Remember, he was the most beautiful angel God had created. He will preform signs and lying wonders(miracles) decieving many. Search out this Truth for yourself, search diligently. Pastor Joe Schimmel from good fight ministries touches on the subject briefly in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8KBOzflpnM&feature=channel_page​



Peace unto you in Jesus Christ​
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antichrist = the pope
dragon = satan
and yes at the end satan will manifest in the flesh
 
Thaddaeus said:
1 thes. 4:13-18 Jesus does not touch down on earth as He does post trib, these are seperate events not a false teaching.

1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.1th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1th 4:18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


If you want to go through the tribulation period go ahead, but I am meeting Him in the air as thus saith the Lord
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the tribulation has already passed it was called the dark ages were the roman catholic church murdered 500 million christians for 1260 years
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." left behin is a false teaching of satan we only have right now to get right plus i could give about 10 more verse at least proving this is false
 
miktre said:
You have never been proved right with scripture, neither and can't back up what you claim with the word.
Things you have posted appear to be wrong. You have your eighth thunder sounding before 5,6,and 7.
Another problem you run into is where Revelations quotes Christ so we are to know when He comes. He says "Behold I come as a thief". If it was a stand alone book then it would not quote Him so we go back and learn the meaning of the quote.

Your chart has no value other making yourself out to be proved wrong or right. There is nothing to prove or disprove that is of any value.

Once again, please start a new thread on the topic. Continually reposting of the same chart(no matter how big) isn't going to make more true. You are spamming instead of conversing or educating anyone. Start a new thread or post your views with scripture concerning the rapture.
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The Eighth Thunder

Thunder no.1 Seals 6/1
.6/1 I Watched as the lamb opened the first seal.2.I looked and there before me was a White Horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Move over to thunder 2

.8/8 The second angel sounded his trumpet,and something like a huge mountain,all ablaze, was thrown into the Sea ( Christians) a third of the Sea turned into blood.

Move over to Trumpets no. 3.Witnesses

11/7 now when they finished (referring to the witnesses) their testimony the Beast that comes up from the abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.8.Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt,where also their lord was crucified.9.for three and a half days men from every people,tribe,language and nation will gaze on their body's and refuse them burial.

Move over to thunder no.4 The Earth 14/6 the

Read ,three angel messengers.only then go to ,

Thunder no.5 of The Word.move over to
Read all of the three messengers Three angels.

14/6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair,and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth-to every nation,tribe,language and people . 7.He said in a loud voice,"Fear God and give him glory,because the hour of his judgment has come,Worship him who made the heavens,the earth, the sea and the springs of water."8.A second angel followed and said "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,which made all nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."9.A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice:"If anyone worships the beast ans his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,10.he ,too,will drink of the wine of god's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.he will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the lamb.11.And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever.There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."12. This calls for the patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

Move over to Thunder no.6 the man Thunder

16/12.The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its waters was dried up to prepare the way for the Kings from the East.

Move over to 7 Thunder,The whore thunder- Divine

19/11. I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a White Horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.12.His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns, He has a name written on him that no one knows but himself.13.He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

All the above ,this is, the Eighth Thunder .It is called THE GREAT THUNDER Re.14/2
Eight is the number of a new beginning.
walt2000.



Things you have posted appear to be wrong. You have your eighth thunder sounding before 5,6,and 7.



You can't find the Eight untill you find the All the other thunders.
 
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The reason that the church is not appointed to God's wrath during the great tribulation / 1Thes 5:9, is because Christ can not subject Himself to His own wrath. Every member of God's body is subject to the head, who is Christ / Col 1:18. We are members of His body, flesh and bones / Eph 5:30. Why would Christ subject his own body, who we are members of as the church of the firstborn, to the wrath of God when He already did that on the cross / Is 53:10, Rom 3:24,25? The wrath is for those that have rejected Christ and the cross as the children of disobedience / Eph 5:6, Col 3:6. Those that have been redeemed and members of His body will not be subject to wrath for we are no more the children of wrath as are others / Eph 2:3. We are not appointed to wrath, nor subject to wrath, nor prepared for wrath or created for wrath as a new creature in Christ. Again, why would Christ subject His own body to wrath again? He would not come and sacrifice His life on the cross again so why would He subject those who have believed the cross where God's wrath was poured out for our sins who believe?
 
shad said:
The reason that the church is not appointed to God's wrath during the great tribulation
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"and by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their god will display strength and take action. and those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder, for days. now when they fail they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy. and some of those who have insight fall, in order to refine, purge, and make them pure, until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time."

the angel is telling daniel about the antichrist, and it is the antichrist who turns with smooth words those who act wickedly against the covenant.

how are they acting wickedly, and against which covenant?
 
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