Correct. And that works out to six years and almost 5 months. Hebrew days go from sunset to sunset.
Reading The First Five Chapters Of Revelations Without Stopping
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And evidently you don't know how to comprehend the facts I point out very clearly here brother, you only take the English Translations into consideration, which is why I do the actual grunt work. So, I not only showed the facts that it is 2300 Morning and Evenings, but laid it out where no one could confuse it. The problem with men is "THEIR OLD IDEAS" are seemingly so important that they allow them override the facts. The very Scripture says Evening and Morning, and it is pointing unto that which is being taken away, Sacrifices or Oblations/tributes unto God, like the one seen here in Dan. 9:21
Dan. 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
So, Dan. 8:13 is SPECIFICALLY speaking about Daily [Sacrifice/Oblation/Tribute], and it is VERY CLEAR.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
As In showed, the word SACRIFICE is not in the original Hebrew text, and doesn't need to be because in the very next verse we are told more about the Daily, which is the Evening and Morning Daily, not just a ONCE DAILY. That is why verse 13 never places Sacrifice in the text, because its not a Daily sacrifice per se, thus the DESCRIPTION comes in verse 14, its the TWICE DAILY Sacrifice. There were no chapters and verses, so it really goes like this.
Everything with [ ] around it was ADDED by the English translators. That's OK sometimes, but not when it confuses.
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
So, as per the word [saint], that is OK because there is a first Saint talkin to another saint and the third one is pointing back unto the same saints(Angels) speaking unto each other. The [shall be] after how long is also OK, and since the Vision is actually [concerning] the DAILY that is also OK, but here is where it not OK to add a word, because it is NOT the DAILY [Sacrifice] it is the TWICE DAILY because verse 14 goes along with verse 13 because verse 14 ANSWERS verse 13, one Saint (Angel) is speaking to the other Saint (Angel) and he ASKS him a question, HOW LONG is the vision of the Daily.................and the transgression (AoD) of desolation? And the other Angel ANSWERS, and says it will be 2300 Evening AND Morning....not 2300 DAYS. He's pointing out how many Daily's it will be in verse 14, and there are two Daily Oblations every day, not ONE !!
You can't just place DAYS where it says Evening and Mornings, 2300 evening and mornings = 1150 days in total when we understand there are two oblations a day. The passage is not concerning the number of DAYS its concerning the numbers of DAILY SACRIFICES !! And the Angels say's it is 2300l and you have an Evening and Morning Daily. The Sanctuary is defiled, how many Daily Sacrifices/Oblations are there? 2300. In verse 26 it calls it "The Vision of the Evening and Morning" and we know those are Sacrifices/Oblations/Tributes.
We get these ideas, then we can't see God's truths, these understanding of old cloud our judgments. Sadly. In trust NO TRANSLATION in full, I have a Hebrew and Greek version with the actual numbers that tell us the actual words used in the passage, not what the translators placed there.
This is why Revelation 1:1 is misleading, Jesus never said he was coming back SHORTLY, the translators translated ONE WORD in place of TWO WORDS just like here in Daniel.
The Greek words words were EN (meaning in the sphere of time place or state of being) or at a future point in time.... and the other word was TACHOS where we get the English word tachometer from (In HAST, or SPEEDLY, or as the old English used it shortly as in a short burst of time. So, what Jesus really said was, at a future point in time I will come IN HASTE. And we actually have people who think Jesus lied about coming back shortly, all because they do not dig in deep. I do, its what I do.
No, the Angels are speaking about the DAILY'S.....The Sacrifices or Oblations, and thus why the temple will be defiled, and HINT, HINT, these Angels who are in the know are not taking about any future profane meat sacrifices, they are talking about Oblations/Tributes unto Jesus that the False Prophet forbids. People, like Daniel, pay TWICE DAILY Oblations or Tributes, and these are taken away by the False Prophet at the 1290.
You are most welcomed to be wrong, but none of my work for the Lord is futile.
The word was wrongly chosen, the DAILYY SAROFICES are what is being taken away. Dan. 12 tells us that at the 1290 it is taken away. There will be 1150 days of TWICE DAILY Sacrifices being taken away.
The passage refers to both: the "evenings and mornings" refers to the two sacrifices 12 hours apart that kept the smell of "intercession" hanging in the air all the day long, and the "daily" refers to the entire sacrificial system of shewbread, lampstand maintenance, etc.
(which is why Antiochus Epiphanes IV can't be the "little horn" because he never ever took the "daily" away, just forbid the sacrifice of lambs. However, the papacy took every bit of it away from Christ our High Priest's heavenly ministry, to which that earthly one pointed. Just ask the papacy why they burn incense and candles..why they have the daily "sacrifice of the mass" morning and evenings in their churches, why they have the "bread of the presence" on display. Why they have ceremonial oil and "holy" water for cleansing as the OT priests had in their vessels and laver. They did indeed "cast the truth to the ground")
You are down the Armstrong rabbit hole brother. Satan loves to give us head fakes. I see those via the RCC and Pope the same as I see those who are pointing towards and Islamic Anti-Christ as being misinformed. The Little Horn is a Gentile King just like the other 6 Beasts Heads were. The Pope, like a Baptist leader or a Pentecostal leader can be a bad person, but he will not nor can he be a part of the End Time Beast System. You (probably) need it to be 2300 because you have 2300 years or some of many ideas I see like this. Its just not factual brother. The Beast received a Mortal Wound when Israel was toted off and/or when Rome was turned from a Beast Kingdom unto a conveyor belt of the Gospel for Jesus Christ. The very scripture tells you the 2300 is an END TIME EVENT, all you have to do brother is read Gabriel's interpretation. We also know the Little Horn can only come at the END TIME. I can put it together.
Dan. 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: (1)for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the (2)last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the (3)latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And (4)his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and (5)he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. 27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
- Gabriel tells Daniel that this vision is about the TIME OF THE END, like Daniel 11 we get the full rundown of the Greeks Kings, their start via Alexander the Great, the split up and their finish in Dan. 11:36-45, and the TYPE Anti-Christ in Antiochus in Dan. 11:21-34. So this THIS End Time Vision is all about the last beast Anti-Christ, or Little Horn and how during his reign 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices will be taken away.
- We are told when this happens will be at the END of the Indignations (70th week, Gods last Week of punishment for Israel) and at the time the END (of the Age, Satan will lose dominion) will be.
- Gabriel clearly says this will be in the LATTER TIME of their Kingdom, meaning the Anti-Christ is a Greek by birth, thus his TYPE was Antiochus. This is the whole reason we get the detailed run down of all the Greek kings in Daniel 11. This happens when the SINNERS BOWL OF SINS come full, or Gods Wrath is filled up, at the end time, just before He judges the world. He understands Dark Sentences means he hears from Satan/devils.
- He has might power, but it is from Satan not him, Rev. 13:4 tells us they worship the Dragon who GIVES POWER unto the Beast. He destroys the mighty (other governments/royals) AND the holy peoples (Israel/Jews)
- He magnifies himself in his own hearth (Anti-Christ), he destroys MANY by Peace (the Whole Mediterranean Sea Region AND Israel) and he will stand up against the Prince (Jesus) of princes who will defeat him WITHOUT HAND, by speaking victory. Then it says this is all the Vision of the Evening and Morning in verse 26, so everything I just posted above is about the END TIME Anti-Christ/Little Horn, ad he only rules sir for 1260 days as the Beast, and the AoD happens 1290 day before Jesus Second Coming ends all these wonders.
How the “no gap” 70 Weeks expired with the Six Purposes of Daniel 9:24 KJV accomplished
The elements of Daniel 9:24 must pertain only to the Jews and Jerusalem because Gabriel told Daniel they were for “thy people and thy holy city”. Therefore:
(1) “finish the transgression”
>pertains to Jewish transgression against God's commission for them to take the good news of the coming Messiah into all the world (Genesis 12:1-2 KJV; Isaiah 49:6 KJV) which ended when God disqualified them at the end of the 70th Week and the Gospel commission went to the Christian church.(2) “make and end of sins”
>pertains to Jewish sins against God's commission for them to take the good news of the coming Messiah into all the world – a parallelism to “finish the transgression”. A minority view of the translation of the Hebrew is “sin offerings” which would point to the end of the Jewish sacrificial system when the Jewish “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself”.(3) “make reconciliation for iniquity”
>pertains to Jewish reconciliation which the death of Jesus provided primarily for all repentant Jews (with a few God-ordained exceptions), followed by the carrying of the Gospel of atonement for sin to the Gentiles when the 70th Week expired.(4) “bring in everlasting righteousness”
>pertains to Jewish everlasting righteousness which the death of Jesus provided primarily for all repentant Jews (with a few God-ordained exceptions), followed by the carrying of the Gospel of everlasting righteousness to the Gentiles when the 70th Week expired – a parallelism to “make reconciliation for iniquity”.(5)“seal up the vision and the prophecy”
>pertains to the sealing up of the Jewish vision and prophecy of the entire 2,300 Days, from which the 70 Weeks was cut off and given by Gabriel to Daniel as a means of clearing up his confusion about the 2,300 Days (proof: Gabriel professes to have come to give Daniel “skill and understanding” after Daniel prayed for understanding concerning the 2,300 Days which left him confused and greatly troubled at the end of chapter 8. Immediately after angelic instructor Gabriel told his confused pupil Daniel to “understand the matter and consider the vision”, his explanation immediately begins with “Seventy weeks are determined...”). This “seal” refers not to a “shutting up” but a “confirming” or “ratifying”. The fulfillment of the 70 Weeks prophecy would be a confirmation of the fulfillment of the remainder of the “2,300 Days” prophecy.(6) “anoint the Most Holy”
>pertains to either the Jewish Messiah's anointing in baptism, obviously, not some false future “temple of God” which would never be so called if the lambs sacrificed therein are an unavoidable rejection of the Lamb of God.
Yes, the 70 weeks Judgment is against Israel.
WRONG UNDERSTANDING HERE Brother......
Romans. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Rapture)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
This is just something men have made up to fit their agendas, its not God's truth brother. ALL Israel will be saved means that Israel as a Nation repents (Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 of he Jews repent, thus ALL Israel, means the SEED of Israel, of course not every Jew is saved). Israel has to finish their TURNING AWAY (transgression) from God before the 70th week can end. Verse 29 above tells yo that the nation you just laid out is WRONG !!
Nope.......This means Israel has to turn away from Willful sins, just like I espoused in my Blog post.
Again, this is some ones WRNG THINK, and they got you to buy in. I have seen this stuff for years.
Israel has to REPENT, the ability to be washed in Jesus; blood was there for Abraham, and others before the Cross, it was simply the PROMISED REDEEMER to come. Israel sinned as a Nation and must repent as a nation, ths they are blind IN PART )as a Nation not as individuals).
Jesus is not yet ruling, we have no EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The 2300 days is END TIME like I showed above via Gabriel's own words !!
Jess must be reigning King before He gets anointed, he sits at God's righthand until God makes his enemies his footstool.
Whoever is pushing this stuff is real close to being Anti-Jewish in heart. God never says that he will forsake Israel forever, just until the Time pf the Gentiles is complete (Rapture). Just ask Gid to show you Hs truths and don;t follow men, He will.
Sorry, but it is YOU who are down a Jesuit hole, with your preaching of a future Antichrist. Your interpretation traces all the way back to the 16th century pen of Jesuit Ribera. What I preach is classic Protestant Historicism which goes waaaaaaaaaay before the time of Armstrong.
Of course Islam is not the Little Horn, it fits not the prophetic timeline of Daniel and Revelation, nor did it arise "among us" which antichrist was predicted to do. The Papacy arose within the Christian church. I think it's time you give Protestant Historicism an objective look without Jesuit colored glasses.
Of course.
The Papacy is the ONLY system which fits all the identifying marks of the end time beast system.
I need to interpret as such b/c GOD SAID an evening and a morning = a day. It's you who need to slice and dice Dan 8 as you slice and dice Dan 9 to make your square peg interpretations penetrate the round holes of Scripture.
The Papacy received the mortal wound after the predicted symbolic 1,260 day reign, or literal 1,260 year reign from 538 to 1798, when Napoleon's Berthier marched on the Vatican, arrested the pope jailed him, and declared the Papacy "dead".
Yes! The 2,300 symbolic days, or literal years takes the prophecy to the time of the end.
Please, Antiochus can't possibly be the Little Horn.
1) Are you saying weak king was "exceeding great" over the Greek "very great" he goat or the "great" Medo-Persian ram, or Nebuchadnezzer who didn't defile the altar with slaughtered pig blood, but with slaughtered Israelite blood?
2) His contemporaries ridiculed him as "Epimanes" which means "madman".
3) Before Rome had even risen to empire status, a Roman envoy comprised of a few soldiers and dignitaries confronted Antiochus when he arrived in Egypt and told him to leave. The Roman dignitary took his staff and drew a circle in the dust around Antiochus and demanded an answer from him before he stepped out of the circle, after which Antiochus the Chump tucked his tail between his legs and retreated back home, bullying Jerusalem on that bitter return.
4) The Little Horn was to arise "at the latter time of their (the divided horns of Seleucid, Ptolemy, Cassander, and Lysimicus) kingdom" but Antiochus arose much sooner, toward the middle of the line of the Seleucid empire, not the end, thereby disqualifying him.
5) Antiochus never took the "daily" away, he only suspended the ceremonial sacrifice for a time. The priests still offered incense, filled and trimmed the lampstand, baked the shewbread, and everything else that had to do with their sacrificial economy known as "the daily".
I've forgotten the other reasons disqualifying him as the Little Horn as this time, so I must revisit the issue, but I think any one of these is enough, as you should.
No it isn't. Their refusal to take the promise of the coming Messiah into the world resulted in disqualification as the "nation of priests". Your verse in Romans refers to individual branches that may be grafted in, but the hope for a nation of Jewish priests is gone forever.
Nope, the promise of Zechariah 13 and 14, like all promises and prophecies, are conditional. Israel blew it, so God could not fulfill His promises in them. Do you know in Whom the promises are now fulfilled? In Christ and His Christian church which is now "the Israel of God".
Israel as a nation has nothing to do with end times prophecy fulfillment anymore. While individual "natural branches" may be grafted in, God was done with the nation as a whole when at the expiration of the 70 Weeks, the Gospel went to the Gentiles.
So, you think we - at this moment - Jesus can give us "everlasting life" but not "everlasting righteousness"? Sorry, but the two are intrinsically tied, and we can't partake of the one without the other.
No, the 2,300 are as I've shown you: they begin in 457 B.C., Jesus was baptized at the end of the 69 Weeks and the 70th Week began when He walked up and out of the Jordan, He minstered for 3 1/2 years, was crucified and ascended, and His disciples ministered in His stead the remaining 3 1/2 years, at which time the 70th Week ended and the Gospel went to the Gentiles.
Good gravy, the very name "Messiah" means "anointed one". When was Jesus "anointed"? In baptism by the Holy Spirit.
Yes, it's very "anti-Jewish" to worship a Jewish Savior, regard as the final authority a very Jewish Bible, and esteem as among the greatest men to ever live Jewish authors of said Bible, right?
Whatever you call it brother, you are in agreement with Armstrong AND you are in error. I understand end times events, all of them, that's my calling. You simply say there can't be a "gap" when God doesn't even live by our ordered time restraints, he is in all time at once.
All of the 70th week is yet to come, God doesn't care what men think. I point out your obvious errors but like the Pharisees, you think you have all the answers, but they were expecting a Messiah to save them in 70 AD, and he didn't save them, did he? The Gospel had to be preached unto all the world before the Second Coming, all one has to do is stop didging the truths, if any man can read Matt. 24:15-21, Dan. chapter 12 and Rev. 12 and not understand its all End Time Events then that is on them, they are fibbing unto themselves, but men do that to save their "PRIDE". It is what it is.
You are being led astray on these things just like they are, that is the common thread you have with those "Islam is where the coming Anti-Christ is from" guys.
The Harlot has the blood of the SAINTS (Jewish Saints) and the Martyrs of Jesus (ALL of them, the RCC was formed around 398 AD), so the RCC does not fit, but ALL False Religion does fit, it has the blood of EVERY Saint and EVERY Martyr of Jesus on its hands. The others Beasts were all Gentile Kings, the Little Horn arises among the 10 Horns/Kings or Rulers, and 10 means Completion, thus he arises amongst a confederation of European Nations who reform, but do so in a FRAGILE MANNER, because they are Old Nations trying to be ONE, and that makes them as unto Iron & Clay. They tried and tried to reunite, but couldn't they even tried it via mingling the SEED of men together (Royal Marriage) and Wars, see Charlemagne, Napoleon and Hitler, but to no avail, only when Israel was REBIRTHED in 1948 did we get the Council of Rome. Thus the Little Horn is born amongst or in the European Union (the E.U. = the 10 which means 25 or 30 nations, or however many there is, because it simply means the complete nations that make up the E.U). The us....you are referring to (I have no clue where you pulled it from because you don't cite it) is not the Church, the Church will not even be here during the 70th week. He is born amidst the 10, which simply means in Europe. Dan. 8:9 PROVES 100 % he has to be born in Greece and Greece is in the E.U.
You go ahead and name all these "Supposed Identifying Marks" and I will prove that the RCC nor Pope fits nothing. I personally see this and SMH at people who buy into this stuff. Can they be evil? YUP, as is he SDA, the Mormons etc. but the facts are the Bible tells us exactly where the Anti-Christ AND the 10 are from.
No He didn't, and you better watch saying God said something He never said, it was explained unto you and because it MUSSES up your understanding its "wrong", even though it is not wrong. He never said its 2300 days, the KJV Translators said that, God SPECIFICALLY stated it was 2300 Evening and Morning [SACRIFICS], the very subject of the passage was the Sacrifices being taken away, then He counted the Sacrifices that were taken away, days can't be taken away. The AoD at the 1290 is when the False Prophet FORBIDS Jesus Worship(takes away the Sacrifice) in the Temple, 30 days before the Beast Conquers Israel at the 1260 middle of the week event. The truth is we have hands trying to be feet, many people who were not called to Prophetic Understandings try to teach prophecy, it is obvious they were never called to do such. But they refuse to listen to those in the know, the spirit always hears the Spirit, so I don't even know why I take the time honestly, maybe others who are thirsting and obeying will see and learn.
Like I stated, I knew you was down that rabbit hole. I can see it a mile away. Its total crud brother, I heard this stuff 30 years ago and discounted it, Satan is as an Angel of light. The 1260 days is at the END TIMES when Israel are in their troubles, Daniel 12 says it, Jesus in Matt. 24 says it and Rev. 12 shows the 1260 is END TIMES, John was given this in 90ish AD but I bet you guys have to place it before 70 AD !!!!!! If not then you can't explain Rev. 12, unless you just avoid it at all costs.
Well, I knew all this, I knew it 30 years ago, of course I know your thinking. I see it coming. Its doesn't FIT.
I have NEVER STATED that Antiochus is the Little Horn, how many times must this be said, you even CONFLATE my words, I assume this kind of proves, to me anyway, how you conflate scriptures sometimes.
Do you not know what TYPE means? In Dan. 11:21-34 we see Antiochus' actions, I did an Exegesis on it, I name every king and ALL the players in Dan. 11, then I did Dan. 12, should have done Dan. 10 also because its ONE CONTNUAL VISON. So, in Dan. 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
Here you go Antiochus in Dan. 11............I will do another post and add in my Exegesis just on Antiochus, THEN the little Horn is seen in Dan. 11:36-45 and he will be like THE TYPE Anti-Christ Antiochus. That's the whole reason we get the Lineage of every Greek King and the TYPE Anti-Christ then the ACTUAL Anti-Christ back to back.
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Daniel 11 partial Exegesis oof mine, I do all of Daniel 11 & 12
Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Antiochus IV then became king, he is called a vile person. He became king via a series of maneuvers which included flattering the king of Pergamum to gain his allegiance and by the death of the heir to the throne.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
The High Priest (prince of the covenant) was replaced via a conspiracy involving the high priests brother and Antiochus Epiphanes but his brother was also double crossed when another priest bribed Antiochus Epiphanes with even more money, it seems he was for sale at all times for a price.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
Antiochus Epiphanes wanted to conquer Egypt in a bad way. He took a “small army” down to Egypt feigning to be their protector of Ptolemy VI who was his nephew. He was of course trying to deceive them whereas he could eventually conquer them. This was seemingly his master-plan.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
Antiochus Epiphanes gained Egypt’s trust and loyalty via spreading his bounty from his wars amongst the public. He visited Egyptian strongholds to get a better understanding on how to conquer them, he was quite cunning.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him. 26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
This is the Sixth Syrian War. (the last of the lot). This was Antiochus Epiphanes against Ptolemy VI. Antiochus Epiphanes attacked Egypt and prevailed over them and many of the Egyptians were by him and betrayed Ptolemy VI. He was a corrupter of people no doubt, he knew how to divide and conquer.
27 And both of these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
Watching Antiochus Epiphanes operate must have been enthralling back in the day. He pretended to support Ptolemy VI his blood kin, and he pretended to have his best interest in mind, but the truth is he was pitting him against his own brother Ptolemy VII the whole time. Ptolemy VII was of course made king of Egypt by the Alexandrians who did not trust Ptolemy VI any longer.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
Antiochus Epiphanes returned north it seems because of a rumor that he had died. That rumor seemingly caused a war to breakout in Jerusalem. Antiochus Epiphanes plundered the temple of God, killed many people, then journeyed north to Antioch. (his homeland)
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Antiochus Epiphanes soon returned to Egypt with the intention of conquering Alexandria. The Egyptians however sent a message to Rome asking for help. Three Roman senators were sent by ship to inform Antiochus Epiphanes that he was not to invade Egypt and to demand that he retreat immediately. This of course made him angry and he seems to have taken it out on the Jewish believers. He killed them but allowed the Hellenistic Jews to live as long as they forsook the Holy Covenant !! He was indeed a vile man, seemingly a forerunner to the coming Anti-Christ or coming Beast in some of his mannerisms.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Antiochus Epiphanes defiled the temple of God, stopped the daily sacrifices and even built a pagan alter unto Zeus and sacrificed pigs on it. This was an Abomination unto God, but its not the Abomination that Jesus and Daniel is speaking about of course. This desecrated the temple while it was there.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
This of course created a schism so to speak amongst the Jewish peoples, which is what Antiochus was good at, divide and conquer tactics. So, many Jews forsook their God and many refused to do so and paid the price with their lives. This of course is a likeness unto the coming end time events in many ways. The Maccabean Revolt ensued.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
I think this is referring to the Maccabean Revolt and/or right around that time. It seems we need to look at this prophecy here in segments. A historical segment that has already been fulfilled (Dan. 11:1-35) and an eschatological segment where the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Of course when Daniel received this prophetic uttering none of it had basically come to pass, now all of it has come to pass except for Dan. 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-12. So, it seems after verse 35 we can say that we fast forward so to speak into eschatology.
We get the historical lessons via the prophecy of all the Grecian Kingdoms and the Syrian Wars which are detailed unto the nth degree, then Rome became the Fourth Beast and Greece seems to have faded into the background so to speak until the last King/Little Horn arrives, which comes from their lineage. We know this via Daniel 8:9. We are told of this end time king starting in verse 36 and running unto the end of Daniel chapter 12. Notice in verse 34 and 35 above, it speaks of the time of the end as a yet to be appointed time and states that basically from Antiochus Epiphanes on, there will continue to be persecution and troubles and many who fall will be helped but others will heed the lies of the wicked one or his (flatteries). Some who understand will fall OR BE TRIED and PURGED !! Think of Paul, Peter and the Saints of the Church Age….to make them WHITE (pure), even to the END OF TIME !! Very, very exciting stuff !!
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Like I stated, I have the rest, Dan. 11?:36-45 describes the End Time Anti-Christ.
In verse 22 above, Onias III was killed, Jason (real name Yeshua) bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest, having his real brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the Tempe of God in order to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus. Jason then tried to force Hellenization onto al the Jews (half were pro Hellenization and half were against it) and thus we got the infamous Maccabean Revolt. Jason I now know, (I didn't realize it 5 years ago when I did this exegesis), is the TYPE False Prophet. When one studies Antiochus Epiphanes and Jason the Jewish High Priest they can clearly see the TWO END TIME TYPES living together at the exact same time.
So, anyone that sees Dan. 11:21-45 as the Anti-Christ OR as only Antiochus are both wrong, Verses 21-34 is Antiochus, verse 35 is THE TRANSITION VERSE, and verses 36-45 is the End Time Beast/Anti-Christ.
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Tired, gone on business all day, will finish up tomorrow.
Daniel 11 partial Exegesis oof mine, I do all of Daniel 11 & 12
Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Antiochus IV then became king, he is called a vile person. He became king via a series of maneuvers which included flattering the king of Pergamum to gain his allegiance and by the death of the heir to the throne.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
The High Priest (prince of the covenant) was replaced via a conspiracy involving the high priests brother and Antiochus Epiphanes but his brother was also double crossed when another priest bribed Antiochus Epiphanes with even more money, it seems he was for sale at all times for a price.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
Antiochus Epiphanes wanted to conquer Egypt in a bad way. He took a “small army” down to Egypt feigning to be their protector of Ptolemy VI who was his nephew. He was of course trying to deceive them whereas he could eventually conquer them. This was seemingly his master-plan.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
Antiochus Epiphanes gained Egypt’s trust and loyalty via spreading his bounty from his wars amongst the public. He visited Egyptian strongholds to get a better understanding on how to conquer them, he was quite cunning.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him. 26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
This is the Sixth Syrian War. (the last of the lot). This was Antiochus Epiphanes against Ptolemy VI. Antiochus Epiphanes attacked Egypt and prevailed over them and many of the Egyptians were by him and betrayed Ptolemy VI. He was a corrupter of people no doubt, he knew how to divide and conquer.
27 And both of these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
Watching Antiochus Epiphanes operate must have been enthralling back in the day. He pretended to support Ptolemy VI his blood kin, and he pretended to have his best interest in mind, but the truth is he was pitting him against his own brother Ptolemy VII the whole time. Ptolemy VII was of course made king of Egypt by the Alexandrians who did not trust Ptolemy VI any longer.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
Antiochus Epiphanes returned north it seems because of a rumor that he had died. That rumor seemingly caused a war to breakout in Jerusalem. Antiochus Epiphanes plundered the temple of God, killed many people, then journeyed north to Antioch. (his homeland)
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Antiochus Epiphanes soon returned to Egypt with the intention of conquering Alexandria. The Egyptians however sent a message to Rome asking for help. Three Roman senators were sent by ship to inform Antiochus Epiphanes that he was not to invade Egypt and to demand that he retreat immediately. This of course made him angry and he seems to have taken it out on the Jewish believers. He killed them but allowed the Hellenistic Jews to live as long as they forsook the Holy Covenant !! He was indeed a vile man, seemingly a forerunner to the coming Anti-Christ or coming Beast in some of his mannerisms.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Antiochus Epiphanes defiled the temple of God, stopped the daily sacrifices and even built a pagan alter unto Zeus and sacrificed pigs on it. This was an Abomination unto God, but its not the Abomination that Jesus and Daniel is speaking about of course. This desecrated the temple while it was there.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
This of course created a schism so to speak amongst the Jewish peoples, which is what Antiochus was good at, divide and conquer tactics. So, many Jews forsook their God and many refused to do so and paid the price with their lives. This of course is a likeness unto the coming end time events in many ways. The Maccabean Revolt ensued.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
I think this is referring to the Maccabean Revolt and/or right around that time. It seems we need to look at this prophecy here in segments. A historical segment that has already been fulfilled (Dan. 11:1-35) and an eschatological segment where the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Of course when Daniel received this prophetic uttering none of it had basically come to pass, now all of it has come to pass except for Dan. 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-12. So, it seems after verse 35 we can say that we fast forward so to speak into eschatology.
We get the historical lessons via the prophecy of all the Grecian Kingdoms and the Syrian Wars which are detailed unto the nth degree, then Rome became the Fourth Beast and Greece seems to have faded into the background so to speak until the last King/Little Horn arrives, which comes from their lineage. We know this via Daniel 8:9. We are told of this end time king starting in verse 36 and running unto the end of Daniel chapter 12. Notice in verse 34 and 35 above, it speaks of the time of the end as a yet to be appointed time and states that basically from Antiochus Epiphanes on, there will continue to be persecution and troubles and many who fall will be helped but others will heed the lies of the wicked one or his (flatteries). Some who understand will fall OR BE TRIED and PURGED !! Think of Paul, Peter and the Saints of the Church Age….to make them WHITE (pure), even to the END OF TIME !! Very, very exciting stuff !!
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Like I stated, I have the rest, Dan. 11?:36-45 describes the End Time Anti-Christ.
In verse 22 above, Onias III was killed, Jason (real name Yeshua) bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest, having his real brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the Tempe of God in order to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus. Jason then tried to force Hellenization onto al the Jews (half were pro Hellenization and half were against it) and thus we got the infamous Maccabean Revolt. Jason I now know, (I didn't realize it 5 years ago when I did this exegesis), is the TYPE False Prophet. When one studies Antiochus Epiphanes and Jason the Jewish High Priest they can clearly see the TWO END TIME TYPES living together at the exact same time.
So, anyone that sees Dan. 11:21-45 as the Anti-Christ OR as only Antiochus are both wrong, Verses 21-34 is Antiochus, verse 35 is THE TRANSITION VERSE, and verses 36-45 is the End Time Beast/Anti-Christ.
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Tired, gone on business all day, will finish up tomorrow.
I stopped reading when I saw you deny God said and evening and a morning = a day, and then accused me of putting words in God's mouth.
All the way through to the sixth day, God described the days of Creation Week as being comprised of an "evening and morning", and the only reason He didn't say that about the 7th day was probably because He knew that if anybody hadn't figured that out by then, they'd never get it.
Here is the narrative of the mystery.
The sixth trumpet blew
Rev 10:7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”
The seventh trumpet blew
Hear if you have ears, All Glory to God.
Two witnesses endured and were killed and raised to heaven before the end of days.
Seventh trumpet roars and praises God as Lord and His Anointed King
Let the punishment begin.
History revealed -
Woman with Child King and the dragon in hot pursuit
There was a war in heaven
Woman was chased with a flood "like a river" from the dragon's mouth
Beast from the sea. Beast from the earth. The mark of the beast
The last mysteries are yet to be fulfilled
144000 places, The 3 Angels of Woe. Fallen Babylon. Harvest of the Earth. The Song of Moses and the Lamb - singing praises to the One True God.
If you have wisdom, all you do is fill in the blanks to understand the mystery.
You stopped reading because you have a one track tunnel vision type of mindset. The universe was not created in 6 days, where do you guts come from? You are supposed to be winning souls and you push people away with that kind of stuff. You keep on saying God said something hat He didn't, and like Samson you will make it into Heaven with ZERO REWARDS. Jesus is bringing his rewards with him when he comes.
You can't overcome the facts so you put your hands over your eyes and ears, and say na na na na ba. Cool.
Its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices, nit days. You are quoting KJV Translators who are MEN !!
The first day of creation lasted 9.2 billion yeas these are FACTS !!
Nah, it's just that your tracks are positioned in such as way that the train goes off the rails as soon as it leaves the station, so why buy a ticket?
J
JAPOV
Guest
Ummmmm.... I lost track of the argument and I'm not gonna' bother going back.
In 10 words or less, what's the issue here?
In 10 words or less, what's the issue here?
People prefer to believe the lying Serpent concerning man's death.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"
No one in heaven was worthy, and no one on earth was worthy, and no one under the earth was worthy to open the book or to look into it.
Rev 3:4 ‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, Because they are worthy.
Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
So in the third heaven, in the temple, on the throne, there will be those who are worthy.
Rev 3:21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Rev 2:28 Jesus says, "I will give him the morning star."
Mat 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH LIKE THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
No one in heaven was worthy, and no one on earth was worthy, and no one under the earth was worthy to open the book or to look into it.
Rev 3:4 ‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, Because they are worthy.
Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
So in the third heaven, in the temple, on the throne, there will be those who are worthy.
Rev 3:21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Rev 2:28 Jesus says, "I will give him the morning star."
Mat 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH LIKE THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
The mystery is starts at Rev 10:7. The mystery is what was promised to the prophets. The Lamb was worthy to accept the seals of Judgement. The wisdom is ours to interpret.
Consider
Rev 13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
What is this understanding? It is only by the Wisdom from God can you understand the counting. Any wisdoms not from God will lead you into a rabbit hole as they are doctrines of man. Matthew 15:9 "In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
The Wisdom of God is written. It is the Tanakh.
The mystery starts with the first woe. Rev 9:12. (one of three)
The angel of the first woe is as per Rev14:7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Why is this angel significant? Because Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
To paraphrase, in all your teachings, have you given All Glory to God (as he is your God)?
The 3rd angel is the killer.
Consider
Rev 13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
What is this understanding? It is only by the Wisdom from God can you understand the counting. Any wisdoms not from God will lead you into a rabbit hole as they are doctrines of man. Matthew 15:9 "In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
The Wisdom of God is written. It is the Tanakh.
The mystery starts with the first woe. Rev 9:12. (one of three)
The angel of the first woe is as per Rev14:7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Why is this angel significant? Because Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
To paraphrase, in all your teachings, have you given All Glory to God (as he is your God)?
The 3rd angel is the killer.