Real believers have a new identity in Christ. Embrace your new identity, and don't be labeled by accusers
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I'm not sure how this figures into any remark I've made.
I have said that believers have a new identity, and that they should not live according to their old identity. However, if they fail to put on Christ in some area, they still have their new identity.
I have said that I would not go to a person who had been divorced multiple times for advice on marriage. I think that's pretty self-evident. I wouldn't give advice if I had been divorced three times either. Something is wrong with my discernment in that area if so.
Sounds like a bad prayer to me, if they are admitting defeat.
And, another issue is, if a person is united with Christ, the resources they have extend beyond "the things I cannot change". Christ shares their burdens and they can draw upon the indwelling Christ in those areas.
But maybe I'm viewing their statement wrongly. I doubt they are coming at it from a fully Christian approach.
I didn’t like you bashing the AA and NA organization they help people to get clean, and surely God has lead people to attend them.
And you throw everyone else’s out the window, some of those who attend those meetings are Christians who are there to help others.
Yes that is what they do, they are powerless over their addiction, that’s one of the sickness of addictions thinking its all under control when it’s far from the truth.
that’s a bad prayer, that’s sad that you condemn a prayer.
Thank you Magenta for post the full prayer, it’s a nice picture too
Serenity Prayer
You are welcomeThank you Magenta for post the full prayer, it’s a nice picture too
I attend both AA and NA, and while I understand that there are Christians who do not understand the identification process, questioning why we call ourselves an addict or an alcoholic, I could say it is no different than still identifying as a human being who needs the power of God operating in my life to help me, because if I were to take a drink or a toque, it would not stop there. In fact, openly acknowledging that I suffer from a physical allergy and a spiritual malady and a mental disorder helps others come to grips with the truth about their lives, and where our true source of power lies, which is not in self, but God 
You are welcome
we are just humans that are fallible and the power of God can make us infallible, and that power has been manifested in you and your testimony to another about what God has done in your life. that can be just what the good doctor ordered to warm another heart who also struggles with addiction
Paul said he had a thorn in his side, addictions might be of a similar feeling of a thorn in the side.
Alcohol and drug addiction take a lot of people down, some so far they end up under ground. Best to get to them before they go there! I had been attending meetings for years before I first got clean and sober after crying out for help to that God in Whom I did not believe. I consider losing the desire and obsession to use nothing short of a miraclewe are just humans that are fallible and the power of God can make us infallible, and that power has been manifested in you and your testimony to another about what God has done in your life. that can be just what the good doctor ordered to warm another heart who also struggles with addiction
Paul said he had a thorn in his side, addictions might be of a similar feeling of a thorn in the side.
Alcohol and drug addiction take a lot of people down, some so far they end up under ground. Best to get to them before they go there! I had been attending meetings for years before I first got clean and sober after crying out for help to that God in Whom I did not believe. I consider losing the desire and obsession to use nothing short of a miracle
I’ve known a couple of people who went under ground because of addictions to drugs, one guy I knew was a high school football player very talented but got wrapped in heroine, his so called friends left him in his car in the parking lot of a hospital having a over dose and didn’t even tell no one in the hospital.
This kind of belief will put people on a slippery slope. There is absolutely no biblical basis for claiming that addictions are more powerful than the working of the Holy Spirit within genuine believers. The new creature in Christ is also expected to walk in newness of life. Which means walking away from all addictions.
ROMANS 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [NOTE: ADDICTIONS ARE SIMPLY LUSTS]
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
No one should be encouraged believe that even though they are a new creature in Christ, they can justify their old addictions.