Receive vs Filled with the Holy Spirit thoughts

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brmicke

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Jesus' disciples received (Lambano 2893) the Spirit in John 20:22, and had an additional encounter where they were "filled" and expressed the Holy Spirit’s character at Pentecost in Acts 2:4 (Pletho 4130). They were enabled to become witnesses.

Ac 2:4 And they were all filled (Pletho 4130) with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance, (Words).

They were heard and understood by others to have been speaking about the works or mysteries of God, Acts 2:11 and 1 Cor 14:2.

Peter and Paul also had multiple encounters, where after they had "received" the Holy Spirit from God, He then subsequently “filled” them with His Holy Spirit.

Did the Disciples “receive” (Lambano 2893) the Spirit once, and then again at Pentecost?

No.

The wording is different in these occurrences. Receiving is different from filling/being full, as in my cup runneth over.

They “received” (Lambano 2893) the Holy Spirit and then were repeatedly “filled” (Pletho 4130) and were at Pentecost enabled to express the Holy Spirit’s character.

The Baptism referred to in Acts 8:14-17 is the opposite of the events in Acts 10:47-48.

In Acts 8:14-17 the people are baptized in Jesus’ name, and then the Apostles arrive and ask if they had received the Holy Spirit.

After being told that they had undergone man’s outward ritual without receiving the inward confirmation from God first, the Apostles recognized that they did not have the faith necessary for God to send the Spirit.

They had to pray for them and “Lay hands on them”, or instruct them on how to "receive" the Holy Spirit.

Man’s rituals are a shadow of reality.

In Acts 10:47 we see God giving people the Holy Spirit in response to the “inward” faith that they possessed and then they "receive". The Apostle Peter recognized this and saw the need to baptize them as the "outward expression”.

God only allows people who have Faith in Jesus to partake of His Holy Spirit.

God baptizes with His Spirit, and Mankind baptizes with water.

A Spirit baptism indicates the approval of God.

A baptism with water does not necessarily indicate the approval of God.

In the cases where “men” baptized people but they did not receive (Lambano – 2983) the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:14-17), it is because they did not have faith, as Heb 4:2 suggests.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard.

As Eph 5:18 suggests that we can replace the Spirit with other things. This means that although the Spirit “Abode” on Christ Jesus, Christians can sometimes be filled with the Holy Spirit and then sadly, filled with another spirit.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled (4137) with the Spirit;

God gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask, Lk 11:13.

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

We do not receive if we ask amiss, Jas 4:3.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Not being aware of the Holy Spirit would then be one reason for not "receiving" in Acts 19:2.

In Acts 19:2 they were baptized unto repentance and had not received (Lambano) the Holy Spirit.

We can be assured that God is faithful, Ro 3:4.

Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

In Acts 8:14-17, the Apostles asked the question “Did you receive the Spirit”, meaning Did God approve of your baptism into Jesus’ name?

Since they had not received the Spirit, they apparently needed more instruction.

God requires a person to repent of unbelief and have faith before He allows them to receive/partake of His Spirit, Acts 2:38.

When the person expresses “faith” God sends the Spirit and they then "receive" Him. The word receive is in the (Active voice), meaning that the subject is the "doer" of the action of receiving. The recipient must agree to receive God's Holy Spirit.

If the Lord sends the Spirit then the person can be understood by others to have a faith approved by God, Acts 2:47 and Gal 6:16.

This could be why Paul asked the disciples” Have you received the Spirit "since you believed” in Acts 19:1-2.

He was in effect asking them if God had confirmed their faith.

Paul recognized that God adds to the Church.

Man-made rituals cannot add to the Church, no matter how Holy or Ecumenical they appear.

These rituals should only confirm what God has already done.

Ac 2:47 Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The information in the following verse is the "Template" for this subject.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The “outward” ritual, of “Baptism” is a shadow of the reality of “Spirit Baptism”, Rm 6:2-3.

Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

This “outward” ritual can be experienced without a person having faith. This is possibly the case in Acts 8:14-16.

God will not allow a Baptized person, without “inward” faith, to receive/partake of His Spirit.

As is seen in Acts 10:47 and 48 the Lord approved a person by giving them the Spirit (Lambano) which is “an inward occurrence”, and then they were Baptised which is an "outward occurrence".

Since the Lord saves people, the Apostles were looking for, and responding, to what they recognized to be God’s activity within people, Acts 2:47.

This is why they asked “Did you receive the Holy Spirit” after baptism in Acts 19:1-2.

Answering the case of Acts 19:2 –

Ac 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

These people did not accurately understand the “faith”.

This was the also case in Ac 18:25-26. Only in this case, Apollos had been through the “outward” ritual of baptism unto repentance but did not understand clearly.

Ac 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spoke and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Aquila and Priscilla here so to speak "laid their hands on" Apollos.

As an example of the laying on of Hands refer to Hag 2:12.

Hag 2:12 If one bears holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No.

For God to give his Spirit to a person “faith” must be in the person’s heart.

This means that the Apostles simply laying their hands on or instructing a person is not enough to convey the Spirit.

The gospel must be mixed with the person’s faith and only God can truly recognize if they have genuine faith.

Jesus responded to people’s faith.

Mr 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folks, and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Peter explained that God’s power did not flow through Him because of His personal power or holiness.

Ac 3:12 ¶ And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

Faith comes through hearing (Rm 10:17), as Paul heard and "received Jesus' as Lord in Acts 9:5. He then was "filled" when He went to Ananias in Acts 9:17.

Just as an aside, Jesus appeared to Paul after the Ascension in Spirit, not in flesh. This event was the Second Coming of Christ in Paul's case. Proving again the concept of a Spiritual Second Coming to an individual.

Those laying hands on the individuals in Acts 8 must have evoked faith in the hearers because God allowed them to partake of His Holy Spirit.

God then responded to the person’s faith by sending the Holy Spirit upon them.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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For God to give his Spirit to a person “faith” must be in the person’s heart.
Hey there,

I found the above little nugget in your post. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on: whether you think a person needed to have faith in order to be physically healed in the NT. As you suggest, did the heart need to be right before Jesus placed His Pearl upon the physically sick? If so, do you think that the physical healings were a symbol or a Spiritual pattern of a greater healing?
 

Nehemiah6

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Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.[/QUOTE]This has been true ever since Pentecost. All those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ receive THE GIFT of the Holy Spirit (which accompanies the gift of eternal life). Then those who have already received the Holy Spirit are "filled" with the Spirit as they "walk in the Spirit". To be "filled" is to be fully controlled and directed by the Holy Spirit.
 

Nehemiah6

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As you suggest, did the heart need to be right before Jesus placed His Pearl upon the physically sick?
I'm not sure what you mean by "His Pearl". Christ healed people whether they believed on Him or not, and then they did believe. Whether they came to Him for healing or not. However, only one of the ten lepers who were healed returned to give thanks. But they all asked for healing and were healed.
 
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I think someone could be filled with the Holy Spirit prior to believing in Jesus and possibly experience everything a believer experiences with regards to the Holy Spirit (other than being led by the Holy Spirit, as it says those who are led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God) and not be sealed with the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.
 

Nehemiah6

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I think someone could be filled with the Holy Spirit prior to believing in Jesus and possibly experience everything a believer experiences with regards to the Holy Spirit...
That is definitely NOT what the Bible teaches. So kindly go back to Scripture and see why you are mistaken.
 
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That is definitely NOT what the Bible teaches. So kindly go back to Scripture and see why you are mistaken.
I see no reason to believe otherwise on the basis that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. If God wanted to why couldn't he fill someone else with the Holy Spirit? If someone was filled with the Holy Spirit why couldn't they experience everything a believer experiences other than being led (like I said it says those who are led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God). Logically I see no problem with what I wrote knowing what I know from scripture.
 
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That is definitely NOT what the Bible teaches. So kindly go back to Scripture and see why you are mistaken.
Actually I might see what you're saying. I don't know if someone could be "born of the Spirit" and not believe in Jesus... but Elijah was carried to heaven so he might have "entered into the kingdom of God" and Jesus asks Nicodemus "Art thou a master of Israel and know not these things?".
 

Blain

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Jesus' disciples received (Lambano 2893) the Spirit in John 20:22, and had an additional encounter where they were "filled" and expressed the Holy Spirit’s character at Pentecost in Acts 2:4 (Pletho 4130). They were enabled to become witnesses.

Ac 2:4 And they were all filled (Pletho 4130) with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance, (Words).

They were heard and understood by others to have been speaking about the works or mysteries of God, Acts 2:11 and 1 Cor 14:2.

Peter and Paul also had multiple encounters, where after they had "received" the Holy Spirit from God, He then subsequently “filled” them with His Holy Spirit.

Did the Disciples “receive” (Lambano 2893) the Spirit once, and then again at Pentecost?

No.

The wording is different in these occurrences. Receiving is different from filling/being full, as in my cup runneth over.

They “received” (Lambano 2893) the Holy Spirit and then were repeatedly “filled” (Pletho 4130) and were at Pentecost enabled to express the Holy Spirit’s character.

The Baptism referred to in Acts 8:14-17 is the opposite of the events in Acts 10:47-48.

In Acts 8:14-17 the people are baptized in Jesus’ name, and then the Apostles arrive and ask if they had received the Holy Spirit.

After being told that they had undergone man’s outward ritual without receiving the inward confirmation from God first, the Apostles recognized that they did not have the faith necessary for God to send the Spirit.

They had to pray for them and “Lay hands on them”, or instruct them on how to "receive" the Holy Spirit.

Man’s rituals are a shadow of reality.

In Acts 10:47 we see God giving people the Holy Spirit in response to the “inward” faith that they possessed and then they "receive". The Apostle Peter recognized this and saw the need to baptize them as the "outward expression”.

God only allows people who have Faith in Jesus to partake of His Holy Spirit.

God baptizes with His Spirit, and Mankind baptizes with water.

A Spirit baptism indicates the approval of God.

A baptism with water does not necessarily indicate the approval of God.

In the cases where “men” baptized people but they did not receive (Lambano – 2983) the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:14-17), it is because they did not have faith, as Heb 4:2 suggests.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard.

As Eph 5:18 suggests that we can replace the Spirit with other things. This means that although the Spirit “Abode” on Christ Jesus, Christians can sometimes be filled with the Holy Spirit and then sadly, filled with another spirit.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled (4137) with the Spirit;

God gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask, Lk 11:13.

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

We do not receive if we ask amiss, Jas 4:3.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Not being aware of the Holy Spirit would then be one reason for not "receiving" in Acts 19:2.

In Acts 19:2 they were baptized unto repentance and had not received (Lambano) the Holy Spirit.

We can be assured that God is faithful, Ro 3:4.

Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

In Acts 8:14-17, the Apostles asked the question “Did you receive the Spirit”, meaning Did God approve of your baptism into Jesus’ name?

Since they had not received the Spirit, they apparently needed more instruction.

God requires a person to repent of unbelief and have faith before He allows them to receive/partake of His Spirit, Acts 2:38.

When the person expresses “faith” God sends the Spirit and they then "receive" Him. The word receive is in the (Active voice), meaning that the subject is the "doer" of the action of receiving. The recipient must agree to receive God's Holy Spirit.

If the Lord sends the Spirit then the person can be understood by others to have a faith approved by God, Acts 2:47 and Gal 6:16.

This could be why Paul asked the disciples” Have you received the Spirit "since you believed” in Acts 19:1-2.

He was in effect asking them if God had confirmed their faith.

Paul recognized that God adds to the Church.

Man-made rituals cannot add to the Church, no matter how Holy or Ecumenical they appear.

These rituals should only confirm what God has already done.

Ac 2:47 Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The information in the following verse is the "Template" for this subject.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The “outward” ritual, of “Baptism” is a shadow of the reality of “Spirit Baptism”, Rm 6:2-3.

Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

This “outward” ritual can be experienced without a person having faith. This is possibly the case in Acts 8:14-16.

God will not allow a Baptized person, without “inward” faith, to receive/partake of His Spirit.

As is seen in Acts 10:47 and 48 the Lord approved a person by giving them the Spirit (Lambano) which is “an inward occurrence”, and then they were Baptised which is an "outward occurrence".

Since the Lord saves people, the Apostles were looking for, and responding, to what they recognized to be God’s activity within people, Acts 2:47.

This is why they asked “Did you receive the Holy Spirit” after baptism in Acts 19:1-2.

Answering the case of Acts 19:2 –

Ac 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

These people did not accurately understand the “faith”.

This was the also case in Ac 18:25-26. Only in this case, Apollos had been through the “outward” ritual of baptism unto repentance but did not understand clearly.

Ac 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spoke and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Aquila and Priscilla here so to speak "laid their hands on" Apollos.

As an example of the laying on of Hands refer to Hag 2:12.

Hag 2:12 If one bears holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No.

For God to give his Spirit to a person “faith” must be in the person’s heart.

This means that the Apostles simply laying their hands on or instructing a person is not enough to convey the Spirit.

The gospel must be mixed with the person’s faith and only God can truly recognize if they have genuine faith.

Jesus responded to people’s faith.

Mr 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folks, and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Peter explained that God’s power did not flow through Him because of His personal power or holiness.

Ac 3:12 ¶ And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

Faith comes through hearing (Rm 10:17), as Paul heard and "received Jesus' as Lord in Acts 9:5. He then was "filled" when He went to Ananias in Acts 9:17.

Just as an aside, Jesus appeared to Paul after the Ascension in Spirit, not in flesh. This event was the Second Coming of Christ in Paul's case. Proving again the concept of a Spiritual Second Coming to an individual.

Those laying hands on the individuals in Acts 8 must have evoked faith in the hearers because God allowed them to partake of His Holy Spirit.

God then responded to the person’s faith by sending the Holy Spirit upon them.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 

Blain

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Sorry I am having trouble with site it wouldn't let me post correctly but I can testify of the recieving recieving and being filled when I was saved I went to bed saying to my self in my tears he won't answer me I wouldn't even answer me when I woke up and mind you I am sooo not a morning person I felt like a fire was in me and around me the actual life in it his power like it was surging through my viens I leaped out of bed dancing for joy

This was the recieving for me but in 2023 a man came to visit me he put his hands on me and I felt Gods power so intensely I could only sit there in awe stunned unable to move or speak I just sat there smiling astonished I suddenly knew him in a way I never dreamed this was the filling for me and nothing has ever been the same since

He brought me into a much deeper realm with my eyes were suddenly open in the spiritual sense I found the absolute wonder and joy of worship you can't sit still the life that comes in it the absolute joy in praising him you cannot give it enough to him you want to praise and worship him forever it is the best place to be in his presence would fill my room like a dense water thick and wonderful you are in him at that point not with him in him

He would keep filling me each time bringing me layer after layer he downloaded so much into me the deeper depths of his heart few have seen or known the hidden secrets and wonder that is his kingdom

I desperately plead for all to seek this with him to desire to know him like this to be filled singking deeper and deeper into him believe me if you think you know him now trust me if people think they know him now they haven't seen nothing yet it goes way deeper than we ever dreamed the wonder and glory the the mystery the deeper depths of his kingdom it is beyonf glorious and beautiful