Recovering from the Matt. 28:19 Baptism formula. Pro-Christ Gentile save thyself.

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DorothyG said:
Again, I am praying for you.

I am not arguing over this any longer.

I KNOW what happened to me that night in the hospital. My hospital bed was NOT under the water when I called on the name of our Lord Jesus. My life has completely changed.
And never EVER accuse me of not diligently seeking after God. I have been seeking God since I cried out to Jesus.
This is a Christian website FULL of believers. Yes, there are people here who don't genuinely believe but for the most part people here are sincere about their relationship with Jesus.
We are supposed to representatives of our Lord Christ Jesus, STOP falsely representing him!
Good Day.
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All things are right when following the Apostles whom Jesus sent and worked with.
I am sorry that you accuse me like this, but I understand why.
I represent Jesus as alive and functioning.
People could not believe Jesus for the same reason.
Pray if you want.
This was predicted to happen.
I am sorry that you feel that way
but the Doctrine of Christ is still in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Epistles.
Now notice that I never commented on your experience.
There is a meaning for your experience.
I don't mean you ill.
Jesus talked about a 'Strait Gate' that must be used.
The people who use it understand Spiritual things
and know what trouble the othersa are in.
The Doctrine is from above.

Keep well,
 
didymos said:
Translation please? :p
But seriously, you're beginning to make less and less sense, so
have fun!
(i'm outta here)
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Sorry about the typo.

I was really tired.

Anyway Spiritual things make sense to Spiritual people.

What can I do it is not my administration.
As you go. watch this:

Isa.52
1] Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; (?)
put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem (?), the holy city(?)
for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

1 Cor.2
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth
but which the Holy Ghost >>teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are >> spiritually discerned.

Nice talking with you.
We are all gathered to our own.
GOD knows the heart.
 
The truth sets free indeed!!!
Jesus gives us the joy, wisdom, stability.... that the world cannot give.

They do not know who he is yet.
Lets us keep labouring !!!
 
wordsponge said:
All things are right when following the Apostles whom Jesus sent and worked with.
I am sorry that you accuse me like this, but I understand why.
I represent Jesus as alive and functioning.
People could not believe Jesus for the same reason.
Pray if you want.
This was predicted to happen.
I am sorry that you feel that way
but the Doctrine of Christ is still in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Epistles.
Now notice that I never commented on your experience.
There is a meaning for your experience.
I don't mean you ill.
Jesus talked about a 'Strait Gate' that must be used.
The people who use it understand Spiritual things
and know what trouble the othersa are in.
The Doctrine is from above.

Keep well,
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To say that someone's baptism is invalid (all they did is get wet) because they didn't open their mouth under the water to call Jesus is simply preposterous. That doctrine is not from above, Sir.
 
starfield said:
To say that someone's baptism is invalid (all they did is get wet) because they didn't open their mouth under the water to call Jesus is simply preposterous. That doctrine is not from above, Sir.
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That is the testimony of Christians and what is preached.
Before GOD and his Son at his right hand, it was also my experience.
I was bold and did not listen to people who told me that we must only baptize once.
Thank GOD that naturally I understood that he is intelliegnt.
Do only what Jesus and the Apostles tell you
and enter the 'Joys that are not visible.'

Keep well.
 
A formula for salvation? Whatever happened to regeneration by the Holy Spirit, being Born-again John 3:1-10 ,

It's not the 5 letter word Jesus - it's the characteristics of Deity, Savior, Atonement maker, Counselor, all the attributes that make Him who He is
 
thecreationtutor said:
A formula for salvation? Whatever happened to regeneration by the Holy Spirit, being Born-again John 3:1-10 ,

It's not the 5 letter word Jesus - it's the characteristics of Deity, Savior, Atonement maker, Counselor, all the attributes that make Him who He is
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Yes Sir,
It is a surprising and amazing work and beautiful.

My truthfulbness befor GOD and Christ is that the WORK only started after calling on Jesus
the way that I am questioned about.
Any other way is wet only, that many people that I know agree to and laugh about.

Sorry about the delay. My sleeping irregular.

Keep in touch friend,
 
Jesus uproots Doctrine that is not from his Father.
He did it to they Jews.
Non spiritual brothers cannot see the Hand.

We must keep trying.
 
wordsponge said:
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People in the world understand, even Muslims and Hindus.
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There are honest people everywhere.
Our findings are that Church friends and family have the most difficult challenge
to accept the facts.

May Jesus, our everlasting light, give them light.

Pss.80
[17] Let your hand be upon the man (Jesus) of your right hand,
upon the Son of Man whom you made strong for yourself. >> (for your own purposes)
[18] So that we will not go back from you.
Quicken us (by your Spirit), and we will call upon your name.
[19] Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts (Our Father),
cause your face to shine >> (smile on us)
and we shall be saved.
 
daughteroflight said:
There are honest people everywhere.
Our findings are that Church friends and family have the most difficult challenge
to accept the facts.

May Jesus, our everlasting light, give them light.

Pss.80
[17] Let your hand be upon the man (Jesus) of your right hand,
upon the Son of Man whom you made strong for yourself. >> (for your own purposes)
[18] So that we will not go back from you.
Quicken us (by your Spirit), and we will call upon your name.
[19] Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts (Our Father),
cause your face to shine >> (smile on us)
and we shall be saved.
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We keep on Jesus the Head and our Father to work for the Salvation of all.
 
wordsponge said:
Yes Sir,
It is a surprising and amazing work and beautiful.

My truthfulbness befor GOD and Christ is that the WORK only started after calling on Jesus
the way that I am questioned about.
Any other way is wet only, that many people that I know agree to and laugh about.

Sorry about the delay. My sleeping irregular.

Keep in touch friend,
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What becomes of the soul who never was baptist, but calls on the Lord Jesus Christ 10 minutes before his accidental death?

What becomes of the souls which was never baptist the way you describe?

What is the ordained access to the Father according to what has been written in Scripture?
 
Hello brother,

Jesus has all the answers.

Eph.4
[21] If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

What happened to the generations who were told that baptism is symbolic?

I am not the defendant before Christ, the Mighty God, who is our Lawgiver.

Amen
 
wordsponge said:
Hello brother,

Jesus has all the answers.

Eph.4
[21] If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

What happened to the generations who were told that baptism is symbolic?

I am not the defendant before Christ, the Mighty God, who is our Lawgiver.

Amen
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Yes, Jesus has all the answers. Yet, you will not answer anything put before you.

If what you teach is from the Light, then that which has been delivered to you will not disagree with Scripture. I simple ask for you to show me where in Scripture does it teach that calling upon the Lord WHILE under the water IS the ordained access to God?

I will ask, "will you, Wordsponge, answer the questions set before you"?

Pervasiveness is not from the Light.....
 
cfultz3 said:
Yes, Jesus has all the answers. Yet, you will not answer anything put before you.

If what you teach is from the Light, then that which has been delivered to you will not disagree with Scripture. I simple ask for you to show me where in Scripture does it teach that calling upon the Lord WHILE under the water IS the ordained access to God?

I will ask, "will you, Wordsponge, answer the questions set before you"?

Pervasiveness is not from the Light.....
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Thank you.
Ask Jesus.
He is the light.

I did. Do your share.
Do you undestand why he did not talk to Saul?
You are responsible for any whom you lead astray.
Baptism is not symbolic.
Christ died for them.
Force Jesus to answer you :)

Good hunting.
 
wordsponge said:
Thank you.
Ask Jesus.
He is the light.

I did. Do your share.
Do you undestand why he did not talk to Saul?
You are responsible for any whom you lead astray.
Baptism is not symbolic.
Christ died for them.
Force Jesus to answer you :)

Good hunting.
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Saul who became Paul?

Are you talking about where Jesus meet Saul on the road?
 
wordsponge said:
Thank you.
Ask Jesus.
He is the light.

I did. Do your share.
Do you undestand why he did not talk to Saul?
You are responsible for any whom you lead astray.
Baptism is not symbolic.
Christ died for them.
Force Jesus to answer you :)

Good hunting.
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I did pray about what you have been saying. The conclusion is all the questions that I have been asking. I cannot harmonize what you are saying with Scripture.
 
cfultz3 said:
Saul who became Paul?

Are you talking about where Jesus meet Saul on the road?
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Hello brother,

Saul the first king of Israel.
He did a nice thing and sacrrificed to the Lord and yet ...

1 Sam.15:10

I sense that you have a strong interest.
Use that same strenght to comply.
It will propel you like a rocket.
If Jesus had told you to keep a secret and not tell anyone that he was the Christ?
Would you?
Would you now admit that we keep secrets?
The Spirit moves a person to believe.
Isralites never told secrets, starting with the name of GOD
that is why we think that GOD's name = GOD

I sense that I must not be soft with you
because it would not be beneficial to your temparement.

I mean you well.
 
wordsponge said:
Hello brother,

Saul the first king of Israel.
He did a nice thing and sacrrificed to the Lord and yet ...

1 Sam.15:10

I sense that you have a strong interest.
Use that same strenght to comply.
It will propel you like a rocket.
If Jesus had told you to keep a secret and not tell anyone that he was the Christ?
Would you?
Would you now admit that we keep secrets?
The Spirit moves a person to believe.
Isralites never told secrets, starting with the name of GOD
that is why we think that GOD's name = GOD

I sense that I must not be soft with you
because it would not be beneficial to your temparement.

I mean you well.
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I am a guardian of the Truth and that Truth God has delivered in His written word. I came to you in peace seeking the Truth and you speak in riddles. In this contention, I still do not know your intent. All I am getting from you is pervasiveness.

You say that the "ordained access" to the Father is calling upon the Lord while under the water. Yet, God has told us that access to Him is through Jesus Christ and that faith in Him. Since this is the way God has set it up, would this not be the ordained manner in which we come to the Father?

Saul, the one we know as Paul, was called upon while yet the Lord's persecutor. All the eleven righteous Apostles received the Holy Spirit while yet not under the water. Will you have us to believe their Baptism of the Holy Spirit is counterfeit because they were not water baptist, but received what Scripture says is the adoption of the child, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

You come in peace. Yet, my soul is uneased. It saddens me that you speak softly. You would have so many souls who gave their live to Jesus to only later find out that they received not the Lord but a falsified baptism. And in the end, the lost of their souls because they did not know the secret formula to eternity. Has not the Lord Jesus Christ told us the path to eternity when He said that we are to love?

I will know this, "has God kept salvation a secret until your appearance?" And if you have been given the secret recipe for salvation, then why are you here preaching to the few and not proclaiming it on top of a mountain for the multitude?

Do not be fooled. My questioning is not my temperament. My questioning is because of the unwillingness to accept that which has been kept a secret for thousands of years to only be told now.

Is this not the true Baptism (the sealing of one of God's children):

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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It would seem that after we hear the "Gospel of our Salvation" and believe it, then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

How you have made water baptism the access to God and not faith.

You might mean well, but my soul is at unease with this new method of salvation. It simply does not agree with Scripture.....
 
>> It would seem << that after we hear the "Gospel of our Salvation" and believe it,
then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

The above in BOLD is the difference.

I do not operate on "what it seems like"
Jesus teaches his own.
You are responsible for the people whom you baptized and told them that Jesus instructed such.
I was a victim also. I am free from such guilt.

Jesus is the Judge and Light.
Believe whatever he told you to believe and obey.
Also an Apostle is an Apostle.
I was also told that we are like Peter.
I did not teach past generations.
I spoke about Saul the DISOBEDIENT king who thought that
disobeying the LORD and sacrificing to the LORD was ok.
Just fast forward to standing before Jesus and having to convince him
that he told you to baptise in the triune formula.

Be happy. You did what Jesus told you.
 
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