Same ethos in the judgement of goat and sheep. It's not about charity for the poor and downtrodden, though it's applicable; it's about how other nations treat Israel - "my brethrens".
Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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It's as if Romans 11 and the book of revelation are not in God's word.
The real travesty is false doctrine based on twisting scripture and ignoring what does not suit your prejudices. Yes, Christ is victorious, but you ignore the fact that Satan is indeed running the show.
"We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one." 1 John 5:19 If Satan was not running the show, we would have no wars, no death, no sickness, no poverty or crime. The victory of Christ must be enforced. That is the shameful failure of the Church. Believers are being slaughtered by the thousands still.
The kingdom of God is supposed to be the purpose of preaching the gospel. Do a study on the Kingdom of God. It's not here yet - 2,000 years after the victory of Jesus.
That Jewish guy who's coming back again to Jerusalem to rule and reign? No, I think you like your white Jesus, that's the Jesus you want. I'll take the real, Jewish Jesus who says Israel is the apple of His eye.
I mean maybe they just rip them out, of no importance at all. But they do keep that one verse to remind everyone that says they are a Jew are not Jews! Too bad Hitler didn't know that verse, we'd have 6 million more Jews alive today.
But they don't accept that. The Jews are the church now, the church is all. Israel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Bible, but they see no importance in that at all. The prophets, the holy family, Jesus Himself, the first Christians, the BIBLE all brought to you by/ through Israel, the Jews. All irrelevant to them.
Hosea 9:10~~I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness;
I saw your forefathers as the earliest fruit on the fig tree in its first season........
Yes, they do.
It is not.
But, it is.
Actually - no - it is not.
In the sense of those words being present/used in the text - of course; however, the same "essence" of the message is in all three accounts. Only, in Matthew and Mark, the message is "encoded" in those words by the parenthetical statement that is there with it while in Luke the message is stated directly.
Actually, in reality, it is.
It is only a reference to the actual AoD in 167 B.C. and not a prediction of a future event.
True.
He is using an event in the past to warn them about an event in the future.
Correct - He is only using the event in the past to warn them about an event in the future.
"It is all in the details..."
Look carefully at the Armageddon column in the chart/table on this web page:
BTW - the Armageddon 'event' occurs after the return of Christ - not before.
My chart is based on deduction-with-discernment.
As a side note - do you understand what the parenthetical phrases in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are telling you?
If necessary, we can agree to disagree agreeably.
Otherwise:
"We shall see..."
and
"I can wait..."
Yes, they do.
It is not.
But, it is.
Actually - no - it is not.
In the sense of those words being present/used in the text - of course; however, the same "essence" of the message is in all three accounts. Only, in Matthew and Mark, the message is "encoded" in those words by the parenthetical statement that is there with it while in Luke the message is stated directly.
Actually, in reality, it is.
It is only a reference to the actual AoD in 167 B.C. and not a prediction of a future event.
True.
He is using an event in the past to warn them about an event in the future.
Correct - He is only using the event in the past to warn them about an event in the future.
"It is all in the details..."
Look carefully at the Armageddon column in the chart/table on this web page:
BTW - the Armageddon 'event' occurs after the return of Christ - not before.
My chart is based on deduction-with-discernment.
As a side note - do you understand what the parenthetical phrases in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are telling you?
If necessary, we can agree to disagree agreeably.
Otherwise:
"We shall see..."
and
"I can wait..."
- Matthew/Mark and Luke record different discourses.
- “Surrounded by armies” is only in Luke.
- “Abomination of desolation” is future, not 167 B.C.
- Jesus does not use Antiochus as the referent in Matthew 24.
- Jacob’s Trouble is not Armageddon.
- Parenthetical notes are not codes.
- Charts do not override Scripture.
When a man cannot prove his claims from the text, he will always resort to claiming you are the one who cannot see.Sorry brother - you are not seeing it as it really is; however, the good news is - you can!
Only, you must first let go of what you are hanging onto before God can open your eyes so that you may see the truth. Please allow Him to do so...
That is the clearest sign his position is built on sand.
Or - he actually cares about other Christians being able to know and understand the truth - and, is telling them that they need to swallow their pride and hear what the Bible is actually trying to tell them...
There is no lack of proof - only a lack of interest in knowing the truth.
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter
Scripture says plainly in Colossians 1:15-20 that we consist of spirit, water,blood.
Making us in the image of the word which became flesh.For by him all things were created.
I don't have to spiritualize any verse for this to be true.You read Colossians 1:15-20 and it reveals that all things were created in his image simply by the fact that by him all things consist. And by making peace through the blood of his cross the revelation is made clear that not only was he there at the creation of all things,speaking it all into existence but they consist of him through spirit,water,blood.
All things glorify, and testify of God.It's all there for people with eyes to see and ears to hear so they're without excuse.
I could spiritualize what I see, and the spirit agrees cause he revealed it.
The Holy Spirit revealed that Adam=water Eve=blood.When he went after Eve to deceive her into eating the fruit, its a foreshadowing of the taking away of the daily sacrifice.
That's the whole reason why the serpent struck before Adam and Eve came together and became one.The Seed is Christ.
Two cherubim on the Ark of old for the water and the blood.
When a man and a woman come together and a seed passes from the man unto the woman,that seed is an offering unto the Lord.
The seed is in the image of Jesus, and he is bringing it unto himself.He is the offering unto the Lord.
Seed is spirit cause God is spirit.
I was going to reply to CV5 with this but I'll just leave this here.The taking away of the daily sacrifice was foreshadowed at the fall.
When you come out of the womb it is like coming out of the Holy of Holies and ready to testify unto the world.This is made possible cause God made a way for us through him.Through spirit,water,blood
Colossians 1:15–20 says:
Christ is the image of God.
Christ created all things.
Christ holds all things together.
Christ reconciles all things through His blood.
It does not say:
humans consist of spirit, water, and blood,
humans are made of the Word,
humans are biological reflections of Christ’s composition,
DNA is the Word,
Adam = water,
Eve = blood.
You are reading your revelation into the text, not reading the text itself.
1 John 5:6–8 speaks of:
Spirit
Water
Blood
But these are witnesses to Christ, not components of human biology.
John is not describing:
human composition,
Adam and Eve,
DNA,
reproduction,
cherubim,
seed,
daily sacrifice.
He is describing Christ’s testimony, not human anatomy.
“Adam = water” and “Eve = blood” is NOT in Scripture.
Not in:
Genesis,
John,
Paul,
Hebrews,
Revelation,
anywhere.
This is your interpretation, not God’s revelation.
You may believe the Spirit showed you something — but the Spirit never contradicts Scripture, never adds new doctrine, and never inserts biological metaphors into texts that do not contain them.
Seed is biological.
Spirit is non‑material.
Scripture never equates the two.
Jesus says: “That which is born of flesh is flesh; that which is born of Spirit is Spirit.”
You are collapsing categories Scripture keeps separate.
“The daily sacrifice was foreshadowed at the fall” — no, it wasn’t.
The daily sacrifice (tamid) is:
a Levitical institution,
given centuries after Adam,
part of the Mosaic covenant,
tied to the Tabernacle and Temple.
Genesis 3 does not foreshadow the tamid.
It foreshadows:
sin,
curse,
exile,
promise of the Seed.
You are importing later temple imagery into Eden.
Scripture does not do that.
“Two cherubim = water and blood” — no, they do not.
Cherubim represent:
God’s throne,
God’s presence,
God’s holiness,
God’s glory.
They do not represent:
water,
blood,
Adam,
Eve,
DNA,
reproduction.
This is symbolic speculation, not biblical theology.
Proverbs 25:2 does NOT authorize rewriting Scripture with hidden biological codes.
“Search out a matter” means:
investigate,
study,
understand,
discern.
It does not mean:
invent new doctrines,
assign biological meaning to spiritual texts,
reinterpret Genesis through DNA,
turn Adam and Eve into molecular metaphors.
You are using Proverbs 25:2 to justify private revelation.
That is not what Solomon meant.
The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal doctrines that contradict Scripture.
The Spirit reveals:
what the text says,
what the text means,
what the text intends.
The Spirit does not reveal:
biological symbolism,
DNA theology,
Adam = water,
Eve = blood,
cherubim = reproduction,
seed = spirit,
daily sacrifice = Eden.
These are your interpretations, not the Spirit’s.
The Spirit never teaches what Scripture does not teach.
You are mixing Scripture with symbolism and calling it revelation.
As a theologian, I must say plainly: If it is not in the text, it is not the doctrine of God.
Actually there are a lot of parallels between the book of Ruth and breeding queen bees too.