Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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I know. All I'm asking for is a verse and I keep getting the run around
I am only pointing out that All means all.
...as it is written.
IOW, Look at psalm 91.
The promise of our protection.
Look at all the born again believers that weren't protected by Psalm 91.( in the present)
Why?
Because Psalm 91 has 3 CONDITIONS.
3 conditions for those "passive" promises that are actually proactive promises.
So what i am saying is that there are reasons why we seem to see breakdowns or contradictions in Gods word.
Let me see if I get what you are saying. All Christians of any kind are gone off of the earth by mid-tribulation period? The ones still living who have all accepted the mark of the beast remain in Israel while the rest are then gathered together for God/Jesus to pour out His final wrath on them? That kind of makes sense considering how the last half of the tribulation is described and how men will wish they were dead but can't die.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^
It says that.
That is simply what it says.
No way around it.
Such "valiant" efforts to "hope it away".
Are you a born again ethnic jew?
Why do you say psalm 91 not apply to born again Christian?
Just wondering.
OT and NT applies to all the believers, no matter ethnicity.
The beast does demand that "all" receive the mark.
But not "all" do take it. They make a run for it and become refugees.
In fact some refugees who do not take the mark survive the trib and enter the millennial reign.
Both Jews and gentiles survive and repopulate the earth.
Exactly, and it is "capped off" in Rev 14.
The Jewish harvest.
All to the marriage supper in heaven.
GOD thought of everything.
Those martyrs receive the martyrs crown. The highest crown in heaven
Remember the principle in the ot of the "second born"?
We are the second born.
We precede the firstborn, the Jews.
Ever wonder why it says the last shall be first and the first shall be last?
We are gathered first.
I agree that Revelation 13 presents a global scope.
Verse 7 speaks of authority over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
Verse 8 says all who dwell on the earth whose names are not written in the Book of Life worship the beast.
Verse 16 says he causes all classes of people to receive a mark.
But that still doesn't answer the question under debate.
If Matthew 24:29-31 places the gathering of the elect after the tribulation, who are those elect being gathered?
If they include living believers, then Revelation 13 cannot automatically be taken to mean every believer has already been martyred before Christ's return.
@Psalm1, I think you still need to work out the timing on this.
The Anti-Christ doesn't even make himself known until the mid-point of the Tribulation.
Martyrs will be happening throughout the entire Great Tribulation EXCEPT for the last hour or the silence that takes place in Heaven.
I think it unfolds more like this:
The "silence in heaven" is found in Revelation 8:1 and takes place at the opening of the seventh seal — the final seal on the scroll in God's hand:
Where it fits in the sequence:
- The first six seals (Revelation 6:1–8) each trigger a judgment on earth.
- The seventh seal (Revelation 8:1) opens with this half-hour silence — a sudden, dramatic pause after the loud worship of Revelation 7:9–17.
- During the silence, seven angels are given trumpets (v. 2), and another angel offers incense mixed with the prayers of the saints at the golden altar (vv. 3–4).
- The silence is then broken when the angel hurls the censer to earth, producing thunder, lightning, and an earthquake (v. 5) — launching the seven trumpet judgments (Revelation 8:6–11).
- Awe and reverence before the Judge of all the earth (cf. Habakkuk 2:20; Zechariah 2:13)
- The calm before the storm — a solemn pause before the trumpet plagues
- A judicial recess — God's heavenly court going quiet before pronouncing judgment
- The first half of the "hour of trial" (Revelation 3:10), with the seven last plagues (Revelation 16) as the second half
Paul in Romans 11 is not saying anything different from what Jesus already said.
He shows this was happening in his own day:
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." (Romans 11:5)
And he is speaking about his own kinsmen, not a distant future generation.
Beyond me how people just ignore the time stamps as though they are not there.
This probably will be a future, history book:
"How Rapture Theory Destroyed a Civilization"
He shows this was happening in his own day:
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." (Romans 11:5)
And he is speaking about his own kinsmen, not a distant future generation.
Beyond me how people just ignore the time stamps as though they are not there.
This probably will be a future, history book:
"How Rapture Theory Destroyed a Civilization"
The new covenant is beyond ethnicity.
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with being born again.
Their are two covenants.
That new one it also the new testament.
There has to be a testator.
There has to be a death.
It had to be a jewish death.
The ot died and Jesus died.
Now look at the priesthood;
The priesthood was exchanged at Jesus baptism.
JTB was the lawful priest via lineage of Zachariah. ( annas and chiaphus were roman appointees)
JTB passed the priesthood to Jesus at baptism.
The priesthood changed to Judah, David, melchasideck.
Jesus became our priest. Under Judah.
without the understanding of priesthood, end time is partially unpacked.
It goes to the depth of covenant.
The 2 wives off the table= limited end time view.
Ask yourself why Jesus and the priesthood is under a JEWISH DYNAMIC.
WHY is the Jewish tribes and JEWISH PRIESTHOOD a centerpiece of ALL ENDTIMES.?
If i do not investigate the JEWISH ingredient/ or component, i will only get a shallow end times picture.
You know at first I thought was kinda funny since it is obvious that you cannot handle the truth when presented.
But then I realized not funny at all, so I took away the laughing emoji.
Does it ever concern you that your allegiance to a group of non-believers causes you to insult and deride a fellow believer @Churchgoer.
Do you realize you have a set a higher priority to defend those outside of the ekklesia which causes you to turn on sister in Christ.
There is something deeply, deeply wrong with this... brainwashing aside, I dunno not good.
The AC is Known to us believers at his arrival on the white horse.
He kicks off the 7yr trib.
The world will not know.
The Jews will not know.