Replacement Theology

[Rob32]

I'm not sure why the debate of replacement theology is even a thing, the bible is very clear that physical Israel(flesh and blood) was the type and shadow of Christ(the spirit). Israel according to the flesh was the Son of God(exodus 4:22) but Israel according to the flesh was crucified in Christ on the cross, the old passed away and the new has come. The old covenant was a shadow and picture of what was to come in Christ(colossians 2:17, Hebrews 8:5) but Christ, that is CHRIST IN YOU the hope of glory is the fullness, the coming of the lord, the substance that the OLD did not have. the SON, Israel, are those in Christ, JESUS is the head of the Son of God, and his body, the body of Christ, "Christians" are the body of the Son.

This isn't something that should be a mystery to those who claim Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit, its what the spirit teaches(1 john 2:27) so any flesh and blood Jew, is EQUAL to flesh and blood gentiles. because flesh and blood CAN NOT inherit the kingdom. it never was about flesh and blood. it ALWAYS was about the spirit, always was about Christ. it was hidden(not revealed) in the old covenant but it IS REVELAED in Jesus Christ/spirit of Christ. there is adam(natural man/doesn't have the promise/cut off) and there is Christ(spiritual man/led by the spirit/is the promise/filled with the father) only one of those are Israel. Adam was nailed to the cross, and ONLY Christ/spirit was raised up, went to the father and came back down...adam stayed in the grave. so if you call adam the son of God, you are calling FLESH AND BLOOD the inheritor of the kingdom of god. whether Jewish adam, Christian adam, Hindu adam, ...all those things FADE because IN CHRIST there is no jew, or gentile, and CHRIST is the thing that remains, and is not shaken and removed. the whole entire bible speaks to this...its not replacing anything...it ALWAYS WAS CHRIST, there was the old shadow(evening) of the old covenant, with its temples and Sabbaths. and there is the NEW(Day) covenant of Christ, where Christ is the temple, Christ is the Sabbath, Christ is the fast, and the healing and the salvation and the SON. those in the DAY, see this, those in THE NIGHT are drunk on harlotry(double mindedness/doubt/self(flesh) led teaching) Those in the night are taken like a thief in the night, by the DAY, but those who are OF the day(and even ARE the day) wont be taken like a thief, see Christ, see the Son, see the Father, see the unity, see their inheritance and love it, and don't trade it like an Esau for pottage(flesh) in order to walk in LOVE which is the perfect that has come, the fullness of the knowledge of the SON, in order for the body to be built up into HE who is the head...there needs to be a SEEING of the day, what it is, where it is, who it is, why it is. if the day of the lord is still a far off...then you aren't OF that day and still in the night, still waiting for a messiah and still in your sins. the reason certain people push the idea and understanding of this is because it is THAT important. its TRUTH and love upholds the truth. its not replacing anything, it ALWAYS WAS CHRIST. Christ always was and always will be the ONLY ISRAEL. physical Israel according to flesh or the gentiles according to flesh BOTH are not the Son, both are not Israel, but NEED the day of the lord, the Sabbath rest. and its sad to watch most of "Christianity" blindly abide in the night, when the day is more than proclaimed in scripture, its noon day, brightest it can be, and everyone is blind and stumbling around being led astray by wolves and false christs. the WORLD needs to enter the rest...and I guarantee you...the rest is not looking to the future for anything. you look to the future for something you miss the day NOW. you wait for another temple, another Jewish covenant, another ordinance and shadow and OLD temporary covenant, you are also waiting for ANOTHER Christ, and you miss the one that is HERE, you miss Christ in you the hope of Glory. you miss the inheritance of Israel. the ONLY Israel is that of spirit. not that of middle east real-estate, not that of bloodlines, all flesh and blood equally has an entrance available to the for the kingdom of god that come WITHOUT outward observation...so while the majority of darkened understanding Christians that are still very much in the night, seek signs and wonders and outward observations of a kingdom coming, those who know the father, walk into the light of the day, get adam revealed to them, reject adam for Christ, and KNOW WHO THEY ARE, and no one will take their crown(which, as paul said was each other) this isn't to say one person according to the flesh is any worse than another...

I don't go for bigotry and neither does God, of anyone after the flesh. all in the flesh are equally not In christ, and all in Christ are equally the son/Israel. There is CHRIST and it/He is not flesh and blood(no longer know Christ after the flesh), and HE is the only Israel. always was, always will be, with out end. HE is the promised land, the holy ground. HE is the day. the sababth, the lord of that day, and we are grafted into that day, he is Zion, and we are Zion in HIM, we are GODS rest, in christ because ZION is the eternal rest of the lord. its not a mountain in the middle east, its not anything of the temporary, it is in you, the kingdom is in you, and all those with eyes to see will enter said kingdom. And like Jesus told the Pharisees, its a fixation on what you see with natural eyes, that keeps you and others out of that kingdom, out of zion, and away from the inheritance of Israel

Psalms 132 - "For the Lord has chosen Zion;He has desired it for His dwelling place:14“This is My resting place forever; Here I will dwell, for I have desired it.

The rest of God is his people, and his peoples rest is himself. its eternity IN YOU hidden so that none can find it(Ecclesiastes 3:11) that is was and always will be True Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good article! Especially the Greek! Of course, it makes no sense from any point of view, that if Paul says we are all one in Christ, as per Gal. 3:28, that a few pages later on his scroll, he would say that Israel is different than the church. The context is very clear, if we look at Galatians as one scroll or book, instead of separate chapters and books. God did not put the divisions in the Bible, although of course, they are convenient!


"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

It is also important to remember why Paul wrote this letter to the Galatians. It was because they were going back to Judiasm. They put themselves under the law, and thus he would never tell them that Israel is different than the church, or these Judiasers would have latched onto that letter as not a rebuke, but rather permission to go back to being Jews, and forgetting Christ died for them, and for everyone.

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Gal 1:6-9

And then, a few verses down:

"For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of Godand tried to destroy it.14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being." Gal. 1:13-16

Why was Paul talking about being a Jew and persecuting Christians? Because he wanted to remind them that he had been a "Jew of Jews" and God called him away from those traditions to Jesus Christ. People!!! This is the context of Galatians! Paul telling them that if they are in Christ, they do not need to be Jews anymore. There is no promise to save a separate Israel. Israel disobeyed God for almost 500 years. They were deported to captivity. But when God brought them back they had beome legalist! And God knew this, so as part of his eternal plan he sent Christ to take away our sins. Everyone - to the Jew first and then the Gentile.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." Romans 1:16

This whole argument is so silly. Either Christ died for us all, or his sacrifice needs something extra, like a blood line to Abraham. Christ came to save us from the sacrificial system to cleanse our sins, because it did not work. He was the once for all sacrifice.

"When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified." Hebrews 10:8-14

Paul never said Israel was different than the church. Nor is anyone else for that matter.

All he, And the rest of us, said is God is not done with Israel.

Huge difference.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Where does God say this EG?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does God say this EG?

Many OT prophecies, Ez 37 for one, and Romans 11.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Go on, say more...

 

[Angela53510]

Eze 44:9　 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.　

This does sound like there are two flows of circumcision. Would this not be a matter of faith to both?

You need to read the Old Testament through the sacrifice on Calvary You need to read the Old Testament through the eyes of the the New Testament. There are not two flows of circumsicion.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love" Gal. 5:16

In fact, it concerns me you would come up with a verse like this. This was the cult or ritual rules for the Temple, which was torn down in 70 AD in order to stop the Jews from worshipping ever again at a temple, where people were separated into classes and levels. The first order was the high priest, who was the only one who was able to enter into the Holy of Holies, and only once a year. And with bells on his garment, so if God struck him dead, because the sacrifice was deemed unworthy, they could pull him out.

The next level, the Holy Place, was the priests and Levites to minister, just outside the veil. Remember, that veil wasn't just torn down when Christ died so the only the priests and Levites could go into the Holy of Holies. It was torn for us all! We can all enter bodily into the throneroom, because of the grace of God.

"And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life." Matt.27:50-52

"Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus,20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water." Hebrews 10:19-22

Next was the middle court for the women. Finally, there was the outer court, or Solomon's Porch where the Gentiles were allowed to be.

So, would have us go back to this kind of segregation by gender and level of hierarchy, or do you think we should believe Paul?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28

Oh wait, I posted that already on this thread. Pay attention, and please trust Christ, not these OT rites and rituals for salvation

 

[stonesoffire]

You are taking my simple post and trying to add your own thoughts to my beliefs Angela.

The point I was making is they circumcise their sons in their flesh because they put faith in their Torah. We have faith that our flesh has been circumcised by Gods action on our heart by the Torah too (Yeshua-Word).

They are blinded to the Saviour of the world. That was not what they were expecting.

And I accept all of Romans 11. Do you?