Resolving Problematic Interpretations of Scripture

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You tell them incorrectly. Which proves my previous point. You want to tell people what they believe, instead of listening to what they say they believe. Even after being told that's not what we believe. Many times. You got two out of five correct. Perhaps try listening and you'll get more of them. I would tell you what I believe those actually mean if I thought you would be willing to listen. Based on prior experience, I don't believe you would.

Not sure why you laughed, but if you want to discuss rather than argue then explain why you think the T, U and I are false,
preferably with Scripture support.
I am glad you agree with the L and P; that is 40% progress.

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation.

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell.

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls.

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved.

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved.

Over...
 
Not sure why you laughed, but if you want to discuss rather than argue then explain why you think the T, U and I are false,
preferably with Scripture support. I am glad you agree with the L and P; that is 40% progress.
I laughed because you say you want to discuss, but then you don't. So I will explain them to you in the hopes that we can have a discussion this time.
T –Total Depravity.
Total depravity says that sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21).
U – Unconditional Election.
Unconditional election is God’s loving choice of specific sinners for salvation without respect to any good in them(Rom. 9:1–29).
L – Limited Atonement.
Jesus tells us that He lays His life down for His sheep and only for His sheep (John 10:1–18).
I – Irresistible Grace.
If God chooses some for salvation and this will cannot be thwarted, then His grace must be finally irresistible. It must be effectual to bring us to faith. But also find evidence for it in texts such as John 6:37–40, are told that everyone given to Christ by the Father for salvation actually comes to Him. Ephesians 2:1–10 also tells us that God makes people who are dead in sin alive.
P – Perseverance of the Saints.
They go out from us because they were never truly of us (1 John 2:19). Christ says that no one can snatch us out of the Father’s hand (John 10:28). “No one” includes even us—even we cannot snatch ourselves out of His hand. Romans 8:28–30 says that everyone whom God justifies He also glorifies.

This was all copied from https://learn.ligonier.org/articles/what-tulip -- They say it much better than I ever could. Feel free to read that for a more in-depth explanation.
 
I laughed because you say you want to discuss, but then you don't. So I will explain them to you in the hopes that we can have a discussion this time.

Total depravity says that sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21).

Unconditional election is God’s loving choice of specific sinners for salvation without respect to any good in them(Rom. 9:1–29).

Jesus tells us that He lays His life down for His sheep and only for His sheep (John 10:1–18).

If God chooses some for salvation and this will cannot be thwarted, then His grace must be finally irresistible. It must be effectual to bring us to faith. But also find evidence for it in texts such as John 6:37–40, are told that everyone given to Christ by the Father for salvation actually comes to Him. Ephesians 2:1–10 also tells us that God makes people who are dead in sin alive.

They go out from us because they were never truly of us (1 John 2:19). Christ says that no one can snatch us out of the Father’s hand (John 10:28). “No one” includes even us—even we cannot snatch ourselves out of His hand. Romans 8:28–30 says that everyone whom God justifies He also glorifies.

This was all copied from https://learn.ligonier.org/articles/what-tulip -- They say it much better than I ever could. Feel free to read that for a more in-depth explanation.

Re discussion: I hope you will tell me when you think I am not upholding my end before it becomes laughable,
because IMO it is you who drops the ball. Anyway, let us continue this discussion by comparing the Ts:

Per me: T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation.

Per you: T - sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21).

The problematic part is "apart from grace". I understand GW (1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.) as indicating God graces everyone with the opportunity to repent of sin. How do you understand it?

Comparing the U...

Per me: U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell.

Per you: U - God’s loving choice of specific sinners for salvation without respect to any good in them (Rom. 9:1–29).

The problematic part is "choice of specific sinners for salvation", which means specific other/the rest of sinners are condemned to hell.
(Matt. 25:46. John 3:16-18)

Comparing the I...

Per me: I - irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved.

Per you: I - If God chooses some for salvation and this will cannot be thwarted, then His grace must be finally irresistible. It must be effectual to bring us to faith. But also find evidence for it in texts such as John 6:37–40, are told that everyone given to Christ by the Father for salvation actually comes to Him. Ephesians 2:1–10 also tells us that God makes people who are dead in sin alive.

The problematic part is "this will cannot be thwarted", because this assumption contradicts Scriptures teaching that God allows souls to sin or thwart His will for them to be righteous/be saved (1Tim. 2:3-4, Matt 23:37, Deut. 30:19).

Over/ball in your court...
 
[QUOTE="GWH, post: 5686620, member: 334064"
Re discussion: I hope you will tell me when you think I am not upholding my end before it becomes laughable,
because IMO it is you who drops the ball.[/QUOTE]
We see it differently. So far, so good this time. Let's see how this goes.
Anyway, let us continue this discussion by comparing the Ts:

Per me: T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation.
I have no idea what "MFW" means. We've had this discussion before. If you use acronyms I'm not going to reply.
Per you: T - sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21).

The problematic part is "apart from grace". I understand GW (1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.) as indicating God graces everyone with the opportunity to repent of sin. How do you understand it?.
The opportunity exists for everyone. The ability however, does not. Some will (the Elect) and some won't (the non-Elect). The non-elect won't because they love themselves more than they love God. They will chose not to respond to God's Grace.
Comparing the U...

Per me: U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell.

Per you: U - God’s loving choice of specific sinners for salvation without respect to any good in them (Rom. 9:1–29).

The problematic part is "choice of specific sinners for salvation", which means specific other/the rest of sinners are condemned to hell.
(Matt. 25:46. John 3:16-18)
I'm only replying to the bolded part. These are your words, and they do not reflect what I believe. Everyone's going to hell by default (see Total Depravity). God doesn't need to specifically condemn them to hell. It's the destination from birth unless God intervenes.
Comparing the I...

Per me: I - irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved.

Per you: I - If God chooses some for salvation and this will cannot be thwarted, then His grace must be finally irresistible. It must be effectual to bring us to faith. But also find evidence for it in texts such as John 6:37–40, are told that everyone given to Christ by the Father for salvation actually comes to Him. Ephesians 2:1–10 also tells us that God makes people who are dead in sin alive.

The problematic part is "this will cannot be thwarted", because this assumption contradicts Scriptures teaching that God allows souls to sin or thwart His will for them to be righteous/be saved (1Tim. 2:3-4, Matt 23:37, Deut. 30:19).
It's not problematic because God's Grace is irresistible for those who have been made spiritually alive. For those who remain dead in their sins, resisting God is their nature.
 
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Re discussion: I hope you will tell me when you think I am not upholding my end before it becomes laughable,
because IMO it is you who drops the ball.
We see it differently. So far, so good this time. Let's see how this goes.

I have no idea what "MFW" means. We've had this discussion before. If you use acronyms I'm not going to reply.

The opportunity exists for everyone. The ability however, does not. Some will (the Elect) and some won't (the non-Elect). The non-elect won't because they love themselves more than they love God. They choose not to respond to God's Grace, even though God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to repent and seek salvation (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 2:25, Ezek. 33:11, cf. Rev. 3:5).

I'm only replying to the bolded part. These are your words, and they do not reflect what I believe. Everyone's going to hell by default (see Total Depravity). God doesn't need to specifically condemn them to hell. It's the destination from birth unless God intervenes.

It's not problematic because God's Grace is irresistible for those who have been made spiritually alive. For those who remain dead in their sins, resisting God is their nature.[/QUOTE]

My acronyms are found in my profile. MFW means moral free will, which anyone should know who participates in discussions of TULIP, because it is the opposite:

M – moral requirement, meaning that God’s requirement for salvation (GRFS) is righteousness, which presumes sinners are morally accountable.

F – free faith, meaning that GRFS or condition for attaining righteousness is IF they believe in GW, which implies sinners are enabled by God to repent, seek salvation and believe the Gospel of Christ’s atonement–but they may resist divine grace.

W – will, meaning that the essence of moral faith is the desire to cooperate with God, and choosing to cooperate with God opens the door of a sinner’s heart to the entrance of Christ’s loving Holy Spirit.

Re the T - How can everyone have opportunity without ability?! The rest of that statement is true but contradicts the first part of the statement. Choosing not to respond means they had the opportunity and ability but not the willingness.

Re the U - I see no bolded part, but I do see you believe God sends everyone not specifically elected to hell, because that is the default He created for unelected souls, whether repentant and accepting Christ or not. The problematic part is that you contradict Scripture teaching God does not show favoritism (Rom. 2:11, Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17).

Re the I - Ditto re the U, which also makes God into a hater of nonelect humanity, contradicting Scripture teaching that God loves everyone (John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4).

And you say?...
 
We see it differently. So far, so good this time. Let's see how this goes.

I have no idea what "MFW" means. We've had this discussion before. If you use acronyms I'm not going to reply.

The opportunity exists for everyone. The ability however, does not. Some will (the Elect) and some won't (the non-Elect). The non-elect won't because they love themselves more than they love God. They choose not to respond to God's Grace, even though God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to repent and seek salvation (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 2:25, Ezek. 33:11, cf. Rev. 3:5).

I'm only replying to the bolded part. These are your words, and they do not reflect what I believe. Everyone's going to hell by default (see Total Depravity). God doesn't need to specifically condemn them to hell. It's the destination from birth unless God intervenes.

It's not problematic because God's Grace is irresistible for those who have been made spiritually alive. For those who remain dead in their sins, resisting God is their nature.

My acronyms are found in my profile. MFW means moral free will, which anyone should know who participates in discussions of TULIP, because it is the opposite:

M – moral requirement, meaning that God’s requirement for salvation (GRFS) is righteousness, which presumes sinners are morally accountable.

F – free faith, meaning that GRFS or condition for attaining righteousness is IF they believe in GW, which implies sinners are enabled by God to repent, seek salvation and believe the Gospel of Christ’s atonement–but they may resist divine grace.

W – will, meaning that the essence of moral faith is the desire to cooperate with God, and choosing to cooperate with God opens the door of a sinner’s heart to the entrance of Christ’s loving Holy Spirit.

Re the T - How can everyone have opportunity without ability?! The rest of that statement is true but contradicts the first part of the statement. Choosing not to respond means they had the opportunity and ability but not the willingness.

Re the U - I see no bolded part, but I do see you believe God sends everyone not specifically elected to hell, because that is the default He created for unelected souls, whether repentant and accepting Christ or not. The problematic part is that you contradict Scripture teaching God does not show favoritism (Rom. 2:11, Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17).

Re the I - Ditto re the U, which also makes God into a hater of nonelect humanity, contradicting Scripture teaching that God loves everyone (John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4).

And you say?...[/QUOTE]
So we're back at the impass. You continue to say I believe what I don't. Grace and Peace.
 
My acronyms are found in my profile. MFW means moral free will, which anyone should know who participates in discussions of TULIP, because it is the opposite:

M – moral requirement, meaning that God’s requirement for salvation (GRFS) is righteousness, which presumes sinners are morally accountable.

F – free faith, meaning that GRFS or condition for attaining righteousness is IF they believe in GW, which implies sinners are enabled by God to repent, seek salvation and believe the Gospel of Christ’s atonement–but they may resist divine grace.

W – will, meaning that the essence of moral faith is the desire to cooperate with God, and choosing to cooperate with God opens the door of a sinner’s heart to the entrance of Christ’s loving Holy Spirit.

Re the T - How can everyone have opportunity without ability?! The rest of that statement is true but contradicts the first part of the statement. Choosing not to respond means they had the opportunity and ability but not the willingness.

Re the U - I see no bolded part, but I do see you believe God sends everyone not specifically elected to hell, because that is the default He created for unelected souls, whether repentant and accepting Christ or not. The problematic part is that you contradict Scripture teaching God does not show favoritism (Rom. 2:11, Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17).

Re the I - Ditto re the U, which also makes God into a hater of nonelect humanity, contradicting Scripture teaching that God loves everyone (John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4).

And you say?...
So we're back at the impass. You continue to say I believe what I don't. Grace and Peace.[/QUOTE]

I continue to say what TULIP and MFW mean,
and I see that your meaning is problematic per Scripture,
so ditto re G&P, but I also wish you will become a TSer and LGW,
because now you know just enough to be dangerous.
:cool:
 
So we're back at the impass. You continue to say I believe what I don't. Grace and Peace.

I continue to say what TULIP and MFW mean,
and I see that your meaning is problematic per Scripture,
so ditto re G&P, but I also wish you will become a TSer and LGW,
because now you know just enough to be dangerous.
:cool:[/QUOTE]
And now you made it personal. Bye.
 
I continue to say what TULIP and MFW mean,
and I see that your meaning is problematic per Scripture,
so ditto re G&P, but I also wish you will become a TSer and LGW,
because now you know just enough to be dangerous.
:cool:
And now you made it personal. Bye.[/QUOTE]

Actually, YOU made it personal by saying "You continue to say I believe what I don't",
whereas I was discussing doctrine impersonally. But yes, God loves ya, so do I. :love:
 
Another Scripture cited out of context by tulipists is 1 Corinthians 2:14, “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

In order to understand Scripture correctly, one must consider both the immediate context and NT teaching. Here is relevant immediate context for that verse:

1Cor. 1:21b, “God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.” God’s method of saving sinners or natural men is via revealing the Gospel, and we know from 1Tim. 2:3-4 that God desires all to believe it and be saved.

1Cor. 1:23-24, “We preach Christ crucified… to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” Again, “We preach to all natural men”, and “to those natural men God has called”.

This prompts the question: Is “desire” in 1Tim. 2:3-4 synonymous with God’s “calling” in 1Cor. 1:24–and we might add with God’s “drawing” in John 12:32 and with God’s “invitation” in Matt. 22:14? The last verse and John 13:18 indicate that although God loves and wants to save every natural man, some ignore/reject/resist His desire/calling/drawing/invitation and are therefore not chosen or saved, while some do NOT resist God’s calling but rather believe the Gospel, realizing its wisdom and power to save, at which point they become chosen/elect.

1Cor. 1:26, “Brothers, think of what you were when you were called… Not many were influential.” They were natural men in the lower social class, but yet they believed or cooperated with God’s calling.

1Cor. 1:27-28, “God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise… the lowly… and the despised”. God’s saving of despised natural men was intended to humble all natural men, so that “no one may boast before him” (1Cor. 1:29).

1Cor. 2:1-2, “When I came to you, brothers… I proclaimed to you… Jesus Christ and him crucified.” Paul reiterated that God saved some natural men via them accepting Paul’s preaching of the Gospel. When they believe, they receive God's HS per Rom. 5:5.

1Cor. 2:10, “God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.” God’s HS enables natural men to seek, find (Matt. 7:7-9), believe the Gospel and receive the HS/be saved (or not).

Thus, 1 Corinthians 2:14 means, “The man without the Spirit [who resists/refuses to cooperate with God's grace/Gospel and thus does not receive the HS] does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God [the "all truth" of John 16:13 and "everything" of Matt. 28:20], for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

Yet another Scripture tulipists have cited is Jeremiah 17:9a, ”The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.”
The immediate context includes:

Jer. 17:5, “Cursed is the one who trusts in man… and whose heart turns away from the Lord.”
Jer. 17:7, “But blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in Him.”
Jer. 17:10, “I, the Lord, search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve.”

Jer. 12:1,3,14 &16, “You are always righteous, O Lord… you see me and test my thoughts about you…
This is what the Lord says… if the wicked learn well the ways of my people… then they will be established among my people.”

Jer. 14:10, “This is what the Lord says about the people of Judah, They greatly love to wander…
so the Lord does not accept them; he will now … punish them for their sins.”

Jer. 18:8-11, “If that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned…
And if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it…
So turn from your evil ways, each one of you.”

Oops! The astute tulipist among us will notice that Jeremiah implies MFW by urging repentance,
so surely they will turn from their wrong way of understanding GW, each one of them!
 
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Yet another Scripture tulipists have cited is Jeremiah 17:9a, ”The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.”
The immediate context includes:

Jer. 17:5, “Cursed is the one who trusts in man… and whose heart turns away from the Lord.”
Jer. 17:7, “But blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in Him.”
Jer. 17:10, “I, the Lord, search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve.”

Jer. 12:1,3,14 &16, “You are always righteous, O Lord… you see me and test my thoughts about you…
This is what the Lord says… if the wicked learn well the ways of my people… then they will be established among my people.”

Jer. 14:10, “This is what the Lord says about the people of Judah, They greatly love to wander…
so the Lord does not accept them; he will now … punish them for their sins.”

Jer. 18:8-11, “If that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned…
And if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it…
So turn from your evil ways, each one of you.”

Oops! The astute tulipist among us will notice that Jeremiah implies MFW by urging repentance,
so surely they will turn from their wrong way of understanding GW, each one of them!
Another Scripture tulipists on CC have cited is Deut. 29:4, "To this day the Lord has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear.”

The pertinent pericope seems to begin with Deut. 28:1&15, “If you fully obey the Lord your God… God will set you high above all the nations on earth… However, if you do not obey the Lord your God… all these curses will come upon you.” This verse implies that the Israelites are free to obey or disobey.

Then we have the verse cited, which sounds like God prevented the Israelites from obeying Him.

But then we come to Deut. 29:9, “Carefully follow the terms of this covenant, so that you may prosper in everything you do.” This seems to indicate that the Israelites can follow or not follow the terms.

And finally we arrive at the clearest statement of what Moses meant in Deut. 30:19b-20a, “I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children might live and that you may love the Lord your God.” This obviously teaches that the Israelites are deemed to have MFW.
 
Yet another Scripture tulipists on CC have cited is Ephesians 1:3-14, “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will, to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.”

In this passage we can see that what the loving God predestined was NOT that some souls would be damned, but rather the plan of salvation to elect potentially all humanity, whom He loves and atoned for (1Tim. 2:3-5), IF they exercise their God-given grace of MFW to believe the Gospel and accept His offer of grace IN Christ (2Thes. 2:10).
 
Scriptures stressing God's sovereignty may be represented by the following:

1. Matt 11:27, “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

2. Luke 8:10, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’”

God’s Word stressing love for humanity may be represented by the following:

3. John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

4. 1Tim. 2:3b-4, “God our Savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

These two themes can be harmonized and unified as follows:

Jesus does not say in #1 that he wants to reveal the Father only to a few and condemn the majority to hell,
and Paul does say in #4 that God wants all to be saved, so the Son chooses to reveal the Father to all who choose
to seek Him (per Matt. 7:7).

Although #2 by itself may be understood as indicating God withholds His Word regarding the kingdom of God from those He hates,
both Jesus and Paul quote Isaiah 9:6 (in Matt. 13:14-15 & Acts 28:26-27) in a way that puts the responsibility for not receiving God’s Word (GW) on those whose hearts are hardened or not open to it (in agreement with #3).

Comments?
 
Scripture stressing God’s role in election may be represented by the following:

5. John 15:16, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you to bear fruit that will last.”

6. Rom. 9:11&16, “In order that God’s purpose in election might stand… It does not depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”

And GW stressing the role of human agency in election may be represented by the following:

7. Deut. 30:19, “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.”

8. Matt. 23:37, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.”

These two themes can be harmonized and unified as follows:

Jesus does not say in #5 that his disciples could not have chosen to refuse to follow him, and God does say in #7 that He provides the opportunity to choose life or death, so Jesus saying that he chose his disciples means that God urges all to choose life (1Tim. 2:3-4). God initiates; souls cooperate--or not.

Although #6 may be understood as indicating human volition has no role in salvation, #8 reveals Jesus lamenting the fact that although God offers salvation to souls, those unwilling to cooperate are not saved. God initiates; souls cooperate--or not.

This interpretation/harmonization affirms BOTH God’s sovereignty AND love for humanity as well as BOTH His elective will and credit for salvation AND humanity’s God-given volition and accountability for cooperating with God’s will that souls accept salvation via faith in The Elect, who is Christ Jesus. God initiates; souls may cooperate–or not.
 
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Other Scriptures that relate to the topic of election include the following:

Matt 11:27, “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
Notice that Jesus does not say that he wants to reveal the Father only to a few and condemn the majority to hell.

Luke 8:10, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’”
Both Jesus and Paul teach that the reason folks do not understand is because their hearts are hardened or callous (Matt. 13:14-15, Acts 28:26-27).

Luke 10:21, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.”
This means merely that although the Gospel/salvation is available to all, it may be hard for the educated as well as the rich to go through the eye of that needle (Matt. 19:23-24).

John 12:32 says that when Jesus is lifted up on the cross, he will draw all people to himself.

John 15:16 reports Jesus saying “You did not choose Me, but I chose you to bear fruit that will last.”
Matt. 1:16 records Jesus choosing to call Simon, Andrew, James and John to follow him as disciples.

John 17:-9 reports Jesus praying, “I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.”
Notice that Jesus does not say that God desires to give Jesus only a few and condemn the majority to hell.

Acts 16:14 says that God opened Lydia’s heart so she could respond to Paul’s message, and surely everyone else needs God’s grace also, and John 3:16 indicates that God gives everyone the grace to believe in Jesus and have saving faith.

God wants all to be saved per 1Tim. 2:3-4, but apparently some, many and even most people reject His calling (Matt. 22:14).

2Tim. 2:26 says that all unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan, bent on doing whatever he wants them to do,
and Luke 4:18 says that Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free.

2Pet. 3:9 says that God is not willing that any should perish, but wants everyone to repent, and 2Thes. 2:10 says some perish
because they refused to love the truth and be saved.
 
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I have been researching and studying the Bibles Etymology and Linguistics. Practicing spelling, pronunciation, meaning, definition and properly using the biblical vocabulary words in a sentence. Studying and researching the Bibles Abrahamic Etymology and Linguistics to help understand the Bibles interpretations, emphasis, meaning, definition and message. The Levite priest is who you go to for advice on how to live a ritually clean and kosher life. The Levite priest work for the chief priest who over looks the synagogue or churches interpretations, emphasis, doctrines and messages. May God who is the creator in Genesis who gave his only begotten son through the Virgin Mary on the Holy Cross and whoever believes in him shall not perish but live ever lasting life in the kingdom of heaven.

Welcome to CC, and I hope what I share is helpful to your study of Scripture/GW.

Not sure what verse in 1Cor. 7 you have in mind in your profile, but because Paul recommended celibacy for those who have that gift,
it cannot mean "every man is to have a woman to wife", and because Paul condemned homosexuality (Rom 1:26-27), it cannot mean "and every man is to have a man to husband".

Be careful to get GW right!
 
Here is TULIP with Scriptures indicating the opposite (MFW) in parentheses:

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation. (Matt. 7:7, Rom. 1:20, 2:5, 3:22-28)

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell. (Matt. 4:17, 7:21, John 3:16, Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6, 1John 3:23)

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls. (Rom. 3:22-26, 5:18, 2Cor. 5:14-19, Heb. 2:14-17, 1John 2:2)

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved. (Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, 2Pet. 3:9)

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved. (Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Gal. 5:4, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10)