I am relieved to see you say that you reject tulipism in favor of mfwism, which also preserves God's love and justness.
Your clarification of what I misunderstood on other threads makes further discussion on this thread unnecessary.
I was going to continue by citing post #29 next:
At this point there have been three main posts discussing tulip vs. mfw:
1. timf posted #8 citing Scripture supporting mfw,
2. Jon777 posted #14 citing Scripture supporting tulip,
3. tablet123 posted #17 & 18 citing Scripture supporting mfw.
Mfw wins, 2 to 1.
(Just kidding :^)
I will try to collate the three posts into one coherent discussion. Perhaps it will work if we consider one letter of tulip at a time.
Regarding total depravity:
1. timf -
Rom. 10:17, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." This indicates that a soul/sinner/person who
has the opportunity to hear the Gospel will be able to believe it.
2. Jon777 - "You were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work among those who are disobedient." (
Eph. 2:1-2)
3. tablet123 -
1Tim. 2:3-4, "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
1Tim. 4:10, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."
2Pet. 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Rev. 22:17, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
Besides collating the posts, my role will be attempting to harmonize the Scriptures, so here is my commentary regarding T,
which involves paraphrasing.
2. Before learning God's revelation, normal human adults sin/disobey God's moral will and are spiritually dead/unsaved,
1. But when they have the opportunity to hear the Gospel, they may choose to believe it or not, although
3. God's intentional will is for everyone to believe the truth and be saved, not desiring for anyone to reject Him and be damned,
but for whosoever to be willing to cooperate with Him. [cf.
Matt. 23:37]
Comments before I proceed with U?
(If you have lost interest because agreement is boring, that is understandable :^)