Rev 6:1&2 The white horseman,
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yes sir..err kid.. kid sir!
G5115 τόξον toxon (to'-xon) n.
a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric).
[from the base of G5088]
KJV: bow
Root(s): G5088
G5088 τίκτω tikto (tiyk'-tō) v.
τέκω teko (te'-kō) [an alternate in certain tenses]
to produce, to bring forth (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.).
{literally or figuratively}
[a strengthened form of a primary teko tek'-o “to comb wool” (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses)]
KJV: bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail
and their influence on it...
I really want to believe that I am looking for truth, as I am reading God's word I'm praying that the Holy Spirit will guide me. When I think of all the Mystery in Revelation I try to avoid painting myself into a corner by saying "I believe this" or "I believe that" once we arrive at that we are just looking to support the position we have already determined to be correct. if that is where we are the truth could smack us on the head and we wouldn't even know it!
is everything really on the table? are we putting it ALL to the test?
is everything really on the table? are we putting it ALL to the test?
respect and sincerely may Yah guide you.
I was just taking to a friend about this journey of seeking His truth, actually about this exact topic of the 4 horseman... I agree in keeping an open mind especially for prophecy, but it had to fit 100% and the entire picture. I stand firm in my belief, but am open to hear if it makes sense and does not contradict other Scipture. Deep studies of the Word in original language and history are needed, I have diligently sought and prayed, and am still seeking and praying.
That's the way!
I am hoping that when the vail is lifted and we see clearly that I am excited to see it and not disappointed because I had it all wrong. (of coarse I am not talking about the fundamentals of salvation here)
I am hoping that when the vail is lifted and we see clearly that I am excited to see it and not disappointed because I had it all wrong. (of coarse I am not talking about the fundamentals of salvation here)
my view is that even if we understand Revelation as well as humanly possible, I think that the reality of it is going to be so extreme that it will seem overwhelmingly too much, this is where holding fast to Him will be the only way... I dont know if I worded that right, but I think it will be so far beyond... it will seem shocking even if we already know.
The veil was lifted 2000 years ago and these things have happened, have been happening and continue to happen everyday. There's not going to be any literal white horse or a man or a government or a religious sect- antichrist is an ideology, lies, anything that is not truth being preached right from the pulpits of these churches/mosques/synagogues/pagan shrines and atheist's gatherings, that people believe.
I want you to tell me, when did the statement below (from the angel) become effective:
Rev 14:
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
I agree with everything you say except I believe Scripture is clear there is an end time anti0Messiah:
1 John 2:18, “Little children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard that the anti-messiah is coming, even now many anti-messiahs have come. This is how we know that it is the last hour.”
greek reads..."you have heard anti-christos is coming"
But i have asked a simple question concerning this so called end time antimessiah, when does this statement take effect:
Rev 14:
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
A. Past
B. Present
C. Future
D. Past/present/future- continuous until the end of age
Read the whole chapter (Rev 14) for understanding.
And I turned and lifted up mine eyes,and looked, and behold there came four chariots out from
between two mountains and the mountains were mountains of brass.
In the first chariot were red horses and in the second chariot black horses. And in the third
chariot white horses and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me What are these my lord?
And the angel answered and said unto me These are the four spirits of the heavens which go forth
from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
Zechariah 6:1-5 KJV
The book of Revelation is based on OT Prophecies and visions. To understand it one has to have some knowledge of
them otherwise its open to speculation. In Revelation nothing can happen until Christ allows it to happen. I get the
impression that people think Satan and the Beast are somehow equal to God and just go around doing their own thing
until God calls time on them. The four horsemen represent Gods judgements on the world and on Israel in particular.
God uses Satan and his forces as instruments of divine judgement. Instead of trying to identify the rider of the white horse
we should concentrate on what it represents.
between two mountains and the mountains were mountains of brass.
In the first chariot were red horses and in the second chariot black horses. And in the third
chariot white horses and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me What are these my lord?
And the angel answered and said unto me These are the four spirits of the heavens which go forth
from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
Zechariah 6:1-5 KJV
The book of Revelation is based on OT Prophecies and visions. To understand it one has to have some knowledge of
them otherwise its open to speculation. In Revelation nothing can happen until Christ allows it to happen. I get the
impression that people think Satan and the Beast are somehow equal to God and just go around doing their own thing
until God calls time on them. The four horsemen represent Gods judgements on the world and on Israel in particular.
God uses Satan and his forces as instruments of divine judgement. Instead of trying to identify the rider of the white horse
we should concentrate on what it represents.
Well the is spoken by the messenger right before the harvest, so if you take that and the Scriptual fact that those who are dead sleep until the resurrection (other than the elder before the throne) it would make sense that it is speaking of just pre-great harvest, as at that time ALL who are resurrected to life will end up in the kingdom (the true rest that Hebrews 3 and 4 speaks of). For clarity all those dead in Messiah/YHWH that get raised to life will enter this rest/kingdom... I could make a long detailed post showing why I believe each point but this should be sufficent to state my belief.
Nope it's not sufficient and you haven't even answered the question.
When is this great and pre-great harvest that you speak of? the angel clearly said "...from now on...", and that was some 2000 years ago. Meaning that those that die in the Lord from 2000 years ago, through today and onward until the end of time are blessed;
why? because they haven't taken the mark of the beast or worshiped the beast who is antichrist and the beast kills them because of that.
If the angel was talking about some future event, why wouldn't he say "...from that moment on.." instead of "...from now on.."?
Preacherskid it's not the anti christ, He carries a bow which represents God's covenant, to old covenant Israel, their Messiah has arrived ; and that with the other 3 horsemen the great and terrible Day of the Lord is upon them, the old way in Adam is coming to an end. The other time u c Christ on a white horse with a sword is Him and His going forth preaching the Gospel this last 2000 years.
Maybe this?
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
In Rev ch 4 we c the bow or covenant over the head of God on His throne; in ch5 we c the Lamb has the covenant scroll in His hand. Then in ch6 we c Him breakforth unto the covenant land in judgement which took place between 30ad to 70ad
The bow in Gen 9 means a rainbow but the bow in Revelation means a gadget for shooting arrows i guess. Two different things, two different contexts.
It represents strength... a bow is used to represent strength many times in the "OT"
Habakkuk 3:8-10,8 Shall יהוה burn against the rivers? Is Your displeasure against the rivers, Is Your wrath against the sea, That You ride on Your horses, Your chariots of deliverance?"9 You uncover Your bow, The oaths of the rod of the Word. Selah. You cut through the earth with rivers."10 The mountains shall see You, they tremble. The storm of water shall pass over. The deep shall give forth its voice, It shall lift up its hands."
Job 29:18-20,18 Then I thought I would die in my nest, and increase my days as the sand,"19 my root reaching out to the waters, and dew lying all night on my branch,"20 my esteem fresh within me, and my bow renewed in my hand."
Habakkuk 3:8-10,8 Shall יהוה burn against the rivers? Is Your displeasure against the rivers, Is Your wrath against the sea, That You ride on Your horses, Your chariots of deliverance?"9 You uncover Your bow, The oaths of the rod of the Word. Selah. You cut through the earth with rivers."10 The mountains shall see You, they tremble. The storm of water shall pass over. The deep shall give forth its voice, It shall lift up its hands."
Job 29:18-20,18 Then I thought I would die in my nest, and increase my days as the sand,"19 my root reaching out to the waters, and dew lying all night on my branch,"20 my esteem fresh within me, and my bow renewed in my hand."