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Why would the Christian Church show concern if the beast from Revelation 13 is the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Thanks for that bible study it would seem there is more than one way to skin a cat, using a color as a metaphor in various parables. It reminds us if we what to find the spiritual understand hid form the lost we must apply it. Revelation 13 is one big parable.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
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That is very insightful, and I agree. But Revelation 13:18 says it is the number of a man.
The number has to with both man and beast, which as I showed in that study both man and beast were created on the "sixth day" which in Hebrew= 666
Notice both man and beast are mentioned with the number.....
Here [SUP]G5602[/SUP] is [SUP]G2076[/SUP] wisdom. [SUP]G4678[/SUP] Let him that hath [SUP]G2192[/SUP] understanding [SUP]G3563[/SUP] count [SUP]G5585[/SUP] the number [SUP]G706[/SUP] of the beast: [SUP]G2342[/SUP] for [SUP]G1063[/SUP] it is [SUP]G2076[/SUP] the number [SUP]G706[/SUP] of a man; [SUP]G444[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] his [SUP]G846[/SUP] number [SUP]G706[/SUP] is Six hundred threescore and six. [SUP]G5516[/SUP]
Man=mankind as that word man (G444) can be translated as mankind....ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being
Outline of Bible usage....."a human being, whether male or female, generically, to include all human individuals"
Also men are shown as beasts (natural brute beasts) in scripture.
The beast does not have the name the Lord Jesus Christ.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The beast will exalt himself above all that is called God,or is worshipped,and will not regard any god,and not honor the God of his fathers,and will say he is above all the gods,or things,that people worship.
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The verses in Daniel are about a king, not necessarily the beast of Revelation 13. The verse 2Th2:4 could in fact represent the Lord Jesus Christ in some denominations, where they believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God and that God's law was ended by the Lord Jesus Christ and that they welcome the Lord Jesus Christ into their hearts, which is in the temple of their body. The Lord Jesus Christ could absolutely be the beast from Revelation. I'm not saying that he didn't die for your sins. I'm saying that some ideas or images about Christ are far from truth and could be the beast we least expect. The whole world will be deceived.
here is a screenshot from blueletter Bible website, giving the number of verses, not the number of instances of the word "Lord" appearing.
so no, the number is not consistent across English translations.
((not that i find this meaningful at all; just answering sis's question
))((not that post finding something meaningful or not is meaningful lol))
which aren't even the symbolic number of John's revelation, and isn't even the correct number according to the count?
yes i also fail to see the logic . . . ?
this is not the only word translated "lord" with reference to Jesus Christ.
some of the uses of this word are not with reference to Jesus Christ.
this is not even good math.
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Looking at a webpage that states G2962 is translated as "Lord" 667x is not even good math. That is a correct statement. Yes, I believe the beast who's number is Six hundred threescore and six is the Lord Jesus Christ. Nehemiah says there were 667 children of Adonikam. Ezra says there were 666 children of Adonikam. The logical understanding is that 666 actually meant 667 but in a hidden clue kinda way.
The Bible says that false christs will arise. It would not be beyond belief to think that at least one of them would proclaim themselves to be the lord jesus Christ. And it is not beyond belief that many (including some in the church) will go after them (as the Bibles says they will). So the key here would be the gift of discernment among both individuals and the Churches... starting with remembering that we don't have to go after Him, because he's coming to pick us up.
"did God really say?" things like this are not beneficial, they create doubt in those already fighting in Faith. to begin to question what God has said is what leads to deception. doubt is what we are fighting against. it is what began all of this. " did God really say that?"............so someone reads this and then begins to question " is that really the name?" when their efforts need be to cling to Gods only Son Jesus the Lord. satan will never utter that phrase because anyone who believes that in truth, will then follow Jesus because they believe He is Lord. satan or His anti Christ, is never going to be known as the Lord Jesus Christ, His goal is to remove that name from the minds of men, or remove the authority of it from the hearts of men. because it saves them He will never be associated with Jesus as Lord.
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John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
:haha: the dream is about two jesus christ
but who will come first is what matters cause no body could know
the the false one unto the real one
unless . . .
thats why
what if the jesus christ who shall come first
is not the jesus christ that it is written but the false one
and what if that false one
has the same power of the jesus christ in the bible
how could we know the real one
but who will come first is what matters cause no body could know
the the false one unto the real one
unless . . .
thats why
what if the jesus christ who shall come first
is not the jesus christ that it is written but the false one
and what if that false one
has the same power of the jesus christ in the bible
how could we know the real one
:haha: the dream is about two jesus christ
but who will come first is what matters cause no body could know
the the false one unto the real one
unless . . .
thats why
what if the jesus christ who shall come first
is not the jesus christ that it is written but the false one
and what if that false one
has the same power of the jesus christ in the bible
how could we know the real one
but who will come first is what matters cause no body could know
the the false one unto the real one
unless . . .
thats why
what if the jesus christ who shall come first
is not the jesus christ that it is written but the false one
and what if that false one
has the same power of the jesus christ in the bible
how could we know the real one
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