Revelation Timeline

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen

 

[DiscipleDave]

Ahwatukee, If you couldn't receive what I said in my "Mother of Harlots" thread, then you still will not be able to receive any correction in this thread either.

I'm not going to go back and forth in endless debate with all those who cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit of God.

If what you teach does not line up with Scriptures then what you teach is not of the Spirit of God, now is it? How do you try the spirits? If by what they say lines up with Scriptures or not.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is wrong -God

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[DiscipleDave]

Will start at post 57 when i return

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[fredoheaven]

But don't get me wrong, i believed as you are saying for most of my life, and it makes since what you are saying, but here is something i don't think you have thought about. The 7 year Tribulation period is the wrath of God. These are acts of God, that can only come from God and not from men. If you examine the first five seals, they are brought about by Men, wars, killing each other, killing Christians, Death. All five seals are results of men against humankind. It is only at the 6th seal that the wrath of God, coming from God begins. Verse 17 testifies this "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand. The first 5 seals did not say God's wrath has come. It is ONLY on the 6th seal does it plainly teach that the great day of His wrath has come, this is the Start of the 7 year Tribulation Period. That is the Truth.

^i^ to be continued.

Psalms Chapter 76


[SUP]8[/SUP] Thou didst cause judgment to be heard from heaven; the earth feared, and was still,
[SUP]9[/SUP] When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth. Selah.
[SUP]10[/SUP] Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.
[SUP]11[/SUP] Vow, and pay unto the LORD your God: let all that be round about him bring presents unto him that ought to be feared.

This is how the bible interprets the “wrath of God” in such that he uses the “wrath of man” to fulfill his plan. The breaking of the seals starts the Great Tribulation. Notice by context, that only the Lamb could loosed the seal and when the seal is loosed the great day of his wrath is come.

 

[fredoheaven]

If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

1 Thessalonian 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

I have given, what's your to prove.

Thanks,

 

[fredoheaven]

Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

1 Thessalonian 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

I have given, what's your to prove.

Thanks,

The OP does not even produce one verse of scriptures that proves the church will go through the great tribulation, he merely challenges and gainsays opposition. It starts from nowhere.

1 Thessalonian 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good

 

[3Scoreand10]

Please read the post #1. i gave a diagram, and am asking people if there is anything on that diagram that they can Scripturaly prove is incorrect. And if you think i has said something that is a personal opinion, then please state what it was that i said that you think is a personal opinion, or at the very least give the post number where you think i have done this. Thanks and Love you, and God Bless.

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You presented a diagram of Revelation Timeline without presenting any Scripture to suport it.

You need to present a Scripture basis for YOUR diagram or you are only presenting a PERSONAL OPINION.

Much of what is presented on CC is only PERSONAL OPINION.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If what you teach does not line up with Scriptures then what you teach is not of the Spirit of God, now is it? How do you try the spirits? If by what they say lines up with Scriptures or not.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is wrong -God

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That's why I said you are a heretic. Because denying Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week is heresy, and is not in line with scripture, nor is it of God, His Word, or of His Spirit. You must be listening to the wrong god.

 

[popeye]

He has several things wrong,but his remedy,over and over,is , "my opinions are scripture and infallible,your verses are just your opinion"

 

[fredoheaven]

This kind of trick is not new.

Okay there’s someone in here who said he is “self –Proclaim prophet” and there’s something truth in this matter. For the true main function of the Prophet of God is forth-telling and fore-telling. I know that when the revelation of God was closed and we have now 66 books of the Bible. The true prophet of God was no longer of today. One can forth-tell but no one can forth-tell so what we have today are the many false prophets.

Again, the OP does not need scriptures to back up because in his mind, he is the prophet of God and even infering he is “God.”

 

[fredoheaven]

This kind of trick is not new.

Okay there’s someone in here who said he is “self –Proclaim prophet” and there’s something truth in this matter. For the true main function of the Prophet of God is forth-telling and fore-telling. I know that when the revelation of God was closed and we have now 66 books of the Bible. The true prophet of God was no longer of today. One can forth-tell but no one can forth-tell so what we have today are the many false prophets.

Again, the OP does not need scriptures to back up because in his mind, he is the prophet of God and even infering he is “God.”

A major mistakes, call me what you want, I'll take it. "to err is human"

 

[prove-all]

There is no way you can understand the book of Revelation
without understanding the book of Daniel.

Daniel 2 is the key to understanding Daniel 7.
Daniel 7 is the key to understanding Revelation 13.
Revelation 13 is the key to understanding Revelation 17.

And the book of Revelation shows the time frame of all Bible prophecy

 

[fredoheaven]

There is no way you can understand the book of Revelation
without understanding the book of Daniel.

Daniel 2 is the key to understanding Daniel 7.
Daniel 7 is the key to understanding Revelation 13.
Revelation 13 is the key to understanding Revelation 17.

And the book of Revelation shows the time frame of all Bible prophecy

Amen. Ezekiel 38-39 is also good for study.

 

[Bowman]

Re: DD the false prophet...

He didn't claim to be a prophet on this thread. So stay on track with what he had asked. Is that really challenging for you to do?

DD has always proclaimed himself to be a prophet of God....ask him yourself.

As such, arguing with him is futile, as he claims to have a direct pipe line to the All Mighty.


The guys a quack.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Revelation Timeline : Chapter 1 to Chapter 22

 

[DiscipleDave]

Line 1. on the first about the two 3.5 years periods, you'll find in Dan.8 a 2300 day period mentioned covering the time of sacrifice and transgression of desolation (AOD), basically meaning the whole prophecy. So count back from the very end of the second 3.5 years period 2300 days. (2300 minus 1260 days = 1040 into the first 3.5 years period. Then 1260 days of the first 3.5 year period minus 1040 days = 220 days). Certain events are to occur within the first 220 days of the start of the first 3.5 year period. Then other events between the 220 days and the end of 1260 days of the first 3.5 year period. Then the AOD is setup where you have it, and the latter 3.5 years begins.

Line 2. OK

Line 3. OK, but somewhere in the first period a new temple is built for those sacrifices to start again.

Line 4. I only see the mark being established in the latter 3.5 year period, in conjunction with the placing of the abomination of desolation idol, what is called the "image of the beast" in Rev.13. I believe when it is manifested it will be a mandatory mark required in relation to bowing to the false messiah.

Line 5.
the great falling away period will coincide with the abomination of desolation in place starting at the middle, i.e., after the first 3.5 years. In 2 Thess.2, the great falling away timing and the false one revealed as having come, are both within the same timing. It's actually the appearing of the pseudo-Christ in Jerusalem that will cause that falling away, i.e., the "strong delusion" of that chapter.

The timing of Armageddon, when Jesus will come to defeat the nations gathered around Israel will be on the last day, which you instead have happening during... the 3.5 years period. Their defeat will be very quick. like an instant, when Jesus appears coming in the clouds on the "day of the Lord", which on that day is when His thousand years reign will start.

During the thousand years, you have an idea there about age limit restored. Not sure what you mean by that. My understanding is that everyone alive on earth on the last day when Jesus comes, will be changed to the "spiritual body" Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 with the "last trump" sounding, the 7th of Rev.11 (see also Isaiah 25 about the idea of death swallowed in victory, who all it is to). Man's time in a flesh body will then be over forever. The wicked outside the gates of the holy city will still be subject to perish though, the "second death", and will be in that state throughout Christ's thousand years reign. Those are the nations outside the holy city which Christ with His elect will reign over with a rod of iron in that time (Rev.22:14-15 and Rev.20 and end of Zech.14).

6. All the seven seals, trumpets, and vials occur during the time of "great tribulation", which is the latter 3.5 years or 1260 days, or 42 months of Revelation. I do not hold to the idea that the seals, trumpets, and vials occur separate from each other. The seals of Rev.6 are the 7 signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. There's only 7 main signs involved for the very end, and each of those 7 signs are shown in Revelation in 3 different ways.

The Garden of Eden conditions you have for the Millennium is actually for after that period, when God brings the new heavens and a new earth condition. Some events linked to God's Eden do begin to occur during Christ's thousand year reign, like God's River and the Tree of Life per Ezekiel 47 established with a sanctuary in Jerusalem. After that period there is no more sanctuary.

7. the 144,000 sealed of Israel represent Christ's elect, not some idea like "tribulation saints". I've tried to show many here that not all of those 144,000 represent Jews of the three tribed "house of Judah", but also the other tribes of the ten-tribed "house of Israel" which God scattered among the Gentiles, who among which The Gospel was preached after Christ was rejected and crucified in Jerusalem. These are Israelite believers on Christ Jesus sealed to make a stand through the tribulation, not unbelieving Jews that only turn to Jesus during the tribulation like many wrongly think. If you're sealed for the end, it is only by The Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7 are also sealed for the tribulation, and represent Gentile believers on Christ Jesus. The view John is given of them in Rev.7 is of the time during Christ's Millennial reign.

You have the saints reigning over the 144,000 during Christ's Millennium. It's actually the 144,000 that reign with Jesus, along with those in Christ of the Gentiles in Rev.7. See Rev.14 about the 144,000 standing there with Jesus upon Mount Zion (Sion), and then compare with those in Rev.15.

8. You have the New Jerusalem with the time of Christ's coming, and you put that in the center which I don't think you meant that occurs at the mid point of the 7 years of Daniel's "one week". If you did mean that, then it means you maybe think to be raptured at that mid point, when there is no Scripture support for that idea.

The process of creating the new heavens and a new earth begins after Christ's thousand years reign, even though God's River and the Tree of Life will be established on earth prior, during the Millennium.

i will repeat what i have asked for people to do.

Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

Please just show me Scriptures which PROVES something in the picture is not accurate. This entire post is showing personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, and personal beliefs. And not one Scripture that proves what is in the diagram is wrong.

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[DiscipleDave]

Dave:

Where on this diagram do you place the two witnesses?

Now in Diagram.

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[DiscipleDave]

Here's the 70 weeks described in the Septuagint. Kind of obvious what it's talking about.

And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince [there shall be] seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then [the time] shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted. ​

And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint [the city] to desolations. ​

And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away [through the cross]: and on the temple [shall be] the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation. Daniel 9:25-27​

As far as the new covenant being confirmed to Israel after the messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week.

how will we escape [if we] neglect so great a salvation which had [its] beginning [when it] was spoken through the Lord [and] was confirmed to us [Israel] by those who heard [i.e., the apostles], Hebrews 2:3​

The Problem with this belief, it does not line up with Scriptures. The Cross did not stop sacrifices. The Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, did not cause the sacrifices to stop. 70 years AFTER the cross and resurrection of Jesus, the Temple was destroyed. It is when the Temple was destroyed is when the sacrifices were ceased. Therefore the Scriptures which are mentioned above must be a future prophesy yet to be fulfilled. Because the sacrifices did not stop at the cross, as people are teaching today, sacrifices stopped 70 years AFTER the cross. Jesus did not cause the sacrifices to cease, the Temple being destroyed is what caused the sacrifices to cease in the past.
Now the Temple will be rebuilt, and the Jews will begin to sacrifice again, it is THAT sacrificing that Jesus will cause to cease when He appears.

To say Jesus stopped the sacrifices at the cross, when in Truth the sacrifices did not cease until 70 years later when the Temple was destroyed, is to say and teach things that are not TRUE.

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[Angela53510]

The Problem with this belief, it does not line up with Scriptures. The Cross did not stop sacrifices. The Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, did not cause the sacrifices to stop. 70 years AFTER the cross and resurrection of Jesus, the Temple was destroyed. It is when the Temple was destroyed is when the sacrifices were ceased. Therefore the Scriptures which are mentioned above must be a future prophesy yet to be fulfilled. Because the sacrifices did not stop at the cross, as people are teaching today, sacrifices stopped 70 years AFTER the cross. Jesus did not cause the sacrifices to cease, the Temple being destroyed is what caused the sacrifices to cease in the past.
Now the Temple will be rebuilt, and the Jews will begin to sacrifice again, it is THAT sacrificing that Jesus will cause to cease when He appears.

To say Jesus stopped the sacrifices at the cross, when in Truth the sacrifices did not cease until 70 years later when the Temple was destroyed, is to say and teach things that are not TRUE.

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You know Dave, I don't get involved in eschatological debates because they are just speculation. In Seminary we were presented with all 4 end times scenerios and given books to read by scholars that supported the viewpoints, and then we were supposed to decide, based on what we had read, and more important, the Bible which we had all read many times, and studied in depth, including in the original languages.

The problem with this thread and your posts, is that everyone seems to be posting actual Scriptures, except you. I didn't read the whole thread, but every post I read by you, you are lecturing without reference to the Bible and then demanding other people prove their viewpoint.

Why don't you post a few Bible verses or a 100 showing why your scenerio is right. You are not a prophet, and it seems to me that you set yourself up to judge, and never refer to the Bible.

I will be willing to listen to you, when you actually post the Bible, instead of your opinions, ok?

 

[Ahwatukee]

i will repeat what i have asked for people to do.



Please just show me Scriptures which PROVES something in the picture is not accurate. This entire post is showing personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, and personal beliefs. And not one Scripture that proves what is in the diagram is wrong. ^i^

It's pretty bogus Dave and that because you accuse others of personal interpretation, personal thoughts and personal beliefs, when your own diagram is your own personal interpretation. But let's put aside the fact that all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments should be confined within the seven year time period and let's focus on the 4th seal itself which says:

"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

A fourth of the earth's inhabitants based on 7 billion, would come to approximately 1.7 billion people. Therefore, please show us where such a great amount of fatalities has ever taken place on the earth in order for this fourth seal judgment to have taken place. For a fourth of the earth's population being killed by sword, famine, disease and by the wild beasts of the earth would be hard to miss.

Keep in mind, this number of fatalities cannot take place over a span of two thousand years, but must be the number of fatalities that will take place in the immediate proximately of that 4th seal. Also, in case you are going to use what some have proclaimed, which is that "it only says that they are given authority over a fourth of the earth to kill, but that they don't carry it out." If that is that case, then I must remind you that these are plagues of wrath and so the fact that scripture states that they are given authority to kill a fourth of the inhabitants of the earth, is exactly how many fatalities there will be. Also keep in mind that, Jesus said that these events must all take place in that last generation in which he returns to end the age. Therefore, the Bubonic plague that took the lives of many from 1000 AD to 1600 AD does not count because it took place several centuries ago and still falls way short of a fourth of the earth, even for that time. Also, the fact that a fourth of the earth's population is said to be killed by sword, famine, disease and by the wild beasts of the earth, where those who died from the Black Death was by disease only and the other three had no part in those fatalities.

Regardless of the seals being confined within the seven years, I pose this to you specifically to demonstrate that this event has not yet taken place.