Revelation Timeline
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Unfortunately many translations do not accurately show that the events in revelation were "about to" happen shortly after John wrote:
Rev 1:19 (Young's Literal) 'Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things.
Rev 1:19 (Young's Literal) 'Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things.
I am not meaning to start a ruckus here but your timeline is entirely formed on the wrong reason for the Scripture. The Bible is about God's salvation or Gospel if you will. Man tries to make it about himself and the things on the earth he has made like nations and science and things of man's pride. The 1000 years is not some future millennial reign. It began on the day of Pentecost. That is when satan was bound as evidenced by the dramatic increase in believers after the comforter came. Contradictions come from your timeline when those that are killed during the great tribulation live and reign for a 1000 years, which throws off your millennial reign timeframe. Look up the term "last day" in the Bible. It is used only eight times and proves the day of resurrection is Judgement day. The thousand years is a parable which depicts the church age. Satan is released and the tribulation comes. Once the Holy Spirit is removed from the churches, (I refer to the abomination of desolation when Satan has infiltrated and controls the churches) hardly anyone will be saved. Only a remnant. Just like when Jesus walked this earth. The church was controlled by all the "highly educated men" like it is today. Us like Peter are not ruined by the teachings of all these highly educated PHD's and such. And to prove it in the Bible, the example of Paul stands out. A highly educated man that Jesus took by force and blinded him to the worldly ways of the church that he might believe. When you read about the lion lying down with the lamb, you automatically think of man's way of peace and bliss. What the Bible is talking about there is Satan as a roaring lion in the church of the lamb. Please accept my post with the humble love with which I submit it. I could go into much more detail and quote pages of Scripture to proof this, but people usually get bored or lose their attention span as I do when things get too long and complicated. If you are a true believer, God will reveal his truth to you in your time of prayerful Bible study by the Holy Spirit.
Another verse that many translations ignore the tense of:
Rev 3:10 (Young's Literal) Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.
Rev 3:10 (NKJV) “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 3:10 (Young's Literal) Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.
Rev 3:10 (NKJV) “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
I see a crucial problem in the timeline chart. 6000 years, 6 days, then seven years, then one thousand more years, the 7th day. Where does the 7 years fit in if it is not contained in the 6th or 7th day? That is why when we try to explain it from man's viewpoint, we have to reach to make things work out. The nation of Israel represents the Old Testament church age. And it ended when Christ died on the cross (the veil of the temple was rent in two which separated the Holy of Holies from everything else. Christ bridged that gap and the New Testament church came in to being (upon this Rock {Christ} I will build my church. Both come to an end. The Old Testament church at the Cross. The New Testament church when Satan is loosed and infiltrates the churches (the great tribulation). That is the "abomination of desolation " referred to by the Prophets. That is the great tribulation. People will trust in the church like they did in the days of Christ, and think they are saved, but it is the path that leads to destruction. See Matthew 7, but be prepared to be terrified. That is why we are flee to Judea, flee from these false churches. We are to forsake not the assembling or ourselves to God. (Take out the italicized words in the KJV as they were incorrectly added there by the translators). Once again I beg of you to prayerfully consider the 8 verses in the Bible containing the word "last day" singular. That is where the Bible proves that chart and timeline are incorrect. I can further explain, but could never convince anyone. Only those who are God's elect will have their Spiritual eyes and ears opened to see and hear the truth. Others will continue in false beliefs which is also God's will for those who are not the elect.
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
Wow, another one who lacks the understanding of the TRUTH. Tell me Which one of these two verses do YOU say is TRUE, and which one is false.
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So tell me, which one is TRUE. BOTH can't be True. When Jesus was Crucified did He go to Paridise that same day or was He in the heart of the Earth that day as He said He would be, So which is it?
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Do you not believe OSAS? if i am then Saved, how are YOU now condemning me because YOU THINK that i just equated Jesus and the Bible to lies. Tell me, is that something that can cause a person to LOSE their Salvation. seem that is what you are saying right now. YOU have condemned me, because you THINK i just equated Jesus and the Bible to lies. You need to pick which side of the fence you are on. You either believe Once You are Saved, you are Always Saved, or you can lose your Salvation, which seem YOU THINK i just did and sealed my fate. i thought you teach if you are sealed you can't be unsealed, i am SAVED, and sealed. but YOU seem to THINK that i have somehow sealed my fate. You are good at riding the fence in the middle. You do that with this topic and you did it with the question i presented above. You say "BOTH" so then you believe Jesus went to Heaven the same day He was crucified AND you believe Jesus was in the heart of the Earth for three days. Can you explain that more clearly for me, because i don't understand. Jesus either went to Heaven that Day or He went to heart of the Earth. please explain as best you can. or do the common thing and not answer the question.
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DiscipleDave
Where do you place the Two Witnesses?
Good question. He never told me that. Thoughts?
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DiscipleDave
God in all of His wisdom, wrote the Word so that in every life they would think the end would happen in their lifetime. This is why Jesus never told the Disciples when they asked when the end would come, did He say "2,000 years from now" And please don't come back and say that would be deceitful and He would not do that.
When Jesus said "I will destroy this temple and rebuild it in 3 days" Do you think He knew what they were thinking? Yes He knew full well they were thinking of the physical Temple that was there. Did Jesus correct them in their thinking? No, he did not. He allowed them to continue to think He was talking about destroying the Temple that took years to make. Did He deceive them? NO. He spoke the TRUTH, and they misunderstood that Truth.
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DiscipleDave
OK, i hear you. All that you say here, is our opinion, what YOU believe. Now lets get back to the Timeline. Can you find any Scriptures that proves something in the Timeline is wrong. That is what i am looking for. You have your opinion, he has his opinion, she has her opinion. i could hear hundreds of other peoples opinions. But what i am asking is, Can you find anything in the Timeline that is NOT Scriptural. You say:
Show the Scriptures which teach what you say here. The Timeline shows a thousand years that is indeed in the future. IF this is not Scriptural like you are saying it is not. Then show the Scriptures which teach what you are saying. If you don't then is it not just your opinion?
Scriptures?
i do accept your post with humble love. i have read it all, and plainly understand it is YOUR opinion. Please do not quote pages of Scriptures to prove that your opinion is right. Please quote Scriptures that proves something in the Timeline is wrong. Thanks.
90% of the timeline diagram that i have shown is what God has told me. The reason i challenge people to find something in the diagram that is not Scriptural, is because i already know for the most part, (there is that 10% that could be in error) there are NO Scriptures that contradict what is in the Timeline. because God told me. i challenge people so that 1) they see the TRUTH how it will happen and 2) so as to maybe cause one in a thousand people to believe it because it does not contradict any Scriptures. So i am a True Believer and God has already revealed the TRUTH concerning this topic to me.
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DiscipleDave
God tells us that in the end times, 'things' as you put it, will happen with an increased frequency as He alluded to as the Birth Pangs. The lines of Prophecy are coming to together at a faster pace each and every day and will continue until the actual Birth is at hand which appears not to be far off into the future.
YOU SAID;
Rev 1:19 (Young's Literal) 'Write the things that thou hast seen,(CHAPTER 1) and the things that are,(CHAPTER 2-3) and the things that are about to come after these things.(CHAPTERS 4-22)
Yes they are all in order by Chapter.
Updated Timeline adding the Last Day into where it will be.
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I think you are missing the whole point of what 'Last Day' is all about. It represents a literal day - the day Christ returns - that "ends" the current "dispensation" ( if you want to call it that ) - and "begins" the next - which is the 1000-year reign of Christ on the Earth. That is why it is called 'Last Day'. There can be no time between the Last Day and the Millennium --- because, it literally is the transition into the Millennium.Updated Timeline adding the Last Day into where it will be.
Sadly, the entire chart is a mess. Daniel's 70 weeks ended at the stoning of Stephen, the first martyr after Jesus. There were 490 continuous years. The "Great Tribulation" applied only to Israel and specifically Jerusalem - "only those in Judea" were told to flee. "Not one stone left on top of another" this applies to the Temple and the whole city. "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" etc.
Because of Daniel's pleading for the forgiveness of his nation, God allowed Israel to be restored to their land and He gave them 490 years to: finish the transgression, make reconciliation for iniquity and to anoint the Most Holy, etc. Israel never made reconciliation for their iniquity. Instead, they killed their Messiah then started killing His messengers. Because of this, God punished them with the Great Tribulation (Mat 24:21) and scattered them for 1,900 years leaving no stone left of their city.
If one does not understand this basic fact that the Great Tribulation was back in 66-73 AD, and instead looks for a future Great Tribulation, one will end up drawing a completely incorrect chart such as the one posted above.
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I believe that the time of the Two Witnesses coincides with the Trumpet events.
I believe that the Two Witnesses actually cause the Trumpet events to occur, by virtue of the power of their prophecy.
Read Revelation 11:3,6-7. Then, read Revelation 8:7-12. Notice the detail in the descriptions of both passages.
Then, notice in Revelation 9:1-2 how that the bottomless pit is opened...
Then, read Revelation 11:7 again.
See anything interesting about the timing of the death of the Two Witnesses and the bottomless pit - and the Trumpet events?
When is the bottomless pit opened? ( Trumpet 5 )
Who kills the two witnesses? ( the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit )
At / After what point in [ prophetic ] time are the Two Witnesses killed? ( Trumpet 5 )
Do you think, perhaps, that Revelation 11:6 is a good "short description" of the more detailed description(s) given in Revelation 8:7-12?
Updated Timeline adding the Last Day into where it will be.
The Last Day is the Last Day to be Saved, To Be taken up with Jesus, To be Raptured, To be entered into the Book of Life. It is the Last Day for the Saints on or in the Earth, It is the day the Saints awake from sleeping. i understand it fine. it is a great day of mourning for the entire World, a Great Day for the Saints
True, and i have never said differently, nor does the diagram above.
This is your opinion, nothing in Scriptures backs this opinion up. What is your basis for believing that the 1000 year reign starts on the Last Day? What Scripture(s) lead you to believe that? The thousand year reign of Christ does happen After Christ gets here, as the diagram above reflects, but there will be a 3 1/2 year period after the Rapture, the is designed to get rid of all the wicked unsaved from the Earth, and also protect the 144,000 that will repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth. like the diagram reflects. If you do not agree with the timeline above, then by all means show relevant Scriptures that show it is wrong. Thanks
i understand that is what you believe, and again, asking for Scriptures that supports that belief. Because as far as i know, and i have read the Bible over 80 times in my life, there is not one Scripture old or new that teaches what you are suggesting above. So then if that is what you believe to be TRUE, what is your Scriptural basis for that?
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DiscipleDave
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
And yet not one Scripture to disprove it, why is that?
i understand this is what you believe, but there is no Scriptural basis for that assumption is there?
So let me understand your logic, because these things happened in the past, it is not possible for them to ever happen again, is that what you are suggesting? Please do a study on duel prophesy, i think it will help you greatly.
Tell me. If satan knows full well that all the prophesies in the Bible are going to come True. What can satan do, as the master deceiver to cause confusion concerning the prophesies in the Bible that he knows full well will come true. satan knows that the antichrist will appear in the last days. So what is his best option to get people to NOT believe he is the antichrist when he shows up in the last days? His best tactic would be to make the people believe the antichrist had already came in the past, and therefore effectively causing people to not look for him to come. Ask any Jew in those day if they though Hitler was the actual end time Antichrist.
There are people who believe the Rapture has already happened, therefore these people will not be looking for it to happen. satan 1 people 0. There are people who believe the antichrist has already been here, and these will not be looking for one to come. satan 1 people 0. There are people who believe the Great Tribulation has already happened, and these will not be looking for one to come. satan 1 people 0.
The Great Tribulation period is world events, it doesn't take much to understand that when you read that All mountains and islands are moved out of their places, and then another "mountains and islands are GONE" God is going to get rid of all unbelievers (UnSaved, wicked) off of the planet. The Great Tribulation Period serves this one of many purposes. When the Great Tribulations begins, coincides with the Hour of Temptation that fall upon all religions of the World.
You say that God allowed Israel to be restored to their land. Are you saying that is NOT possible to happen again. You say that they are scattered for 1,900 years, and then what, are they not restored once again to Israel? Duel Prophesy. you would do well to study it. The Temple in Jerusalem is going to be rebuilt, this is what will cause Jerusalem to be restored, and the scattered to come home.
Basic FACT, according to you, not according to Scriptures. You say it is a FACT, what is your basis for this FACT, because i assure you it is an opinion and not Scriptural that is the basis for you saying it is a basic FACT. Since when are opinions facts. OH wait, forgot for a moment we are in the last days.
And i am suppose to take your word that the chart is wrong, and yet you do not give one verse that proves anything on it is wrong, really? Throw it away because PlainWord says its incorrect, based on your own opinion, and not what Scriptures actually teach. Sorry, That is why i was pretty clear in what i was asking concerning the Chart. Show me Scriptures that proves something in the chart is incorrect. Since you think there is a lot incorrect, then it should be fairly easy to find a verse that show it is incorrect, right? Look forward to seeing what Scriptures your going to show me.
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DiscipleDave
I believe that the time of the Two Witnesses coincides with the Trumpet events.
I believe that the Two Witnesses actually cause the Trumpet events to occur, by virtue of the power of their prophecy.
Read Revelation 11:3,6-7. Then, read Revelation 8:7-12. Notice the detail in the descriptions of both passages.
Then, notice in Revelation 9:1-2 how that the bottomless pit is opened...
Then, read Revelation 11:7 again.
See anything interesting about the timing of the death of the Two Witnesses and the bottomless pit - and the Trumpet events?
When is the bottomless pit opened? ( Trumpet 5 )
Who kills the two witnesses? ( the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit )
At / After what point in [ prophetic ] time are the Two Witnesses killed? ( Trumpet 5 )
Do you think, perhaps, that Revelation 11:6 is a good "short description" of the more detailed description(s) given in Revelation 8:7-12?
The Scriptures you provide would indeed indicate that it is during the trumpets. New update Diagram to follow:
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DiscipleDave
The main problem when discussing Prophecy is that most people choose one particular view and stick to it whilst ignoring any inconsistencies that they find. The main views being Preterist (Partial and Full), Futurist, Historicism , and Idealist. There is another view which was used by the Jews in the 1st Century including Jesus, Paul and all the Rabbis. It is known by the term Midrashic Eschatology. It views the Bible passages using basic scripture and finding the meaning in Types Symbols and allegory. It sees the whole Bible as a series of cycles leading to the culmination of Gods plan for humanity.