REVIVAL or JUDGMENT?
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Exactly, he never presented the Gospel all he did was yell Jesus, that's not the Gospel. He reminds my of David in II Samuel 24 when he numbered the people, as this guy did. I've meet Reinhard and he is by no means and evangelist, all he does is spew WoF garbage, that's not the Gospel. Now don't take what I said out of context, I meet him, I don't know him. I went to see him because I had seen his videos before, interesting part is the videos I seen were in the 80's and they looked just like those.
The Lord is not into numbering people that's mans thing. I went to see him because I wanted to see what type man draws those types of crowds, he raddled off some stuff, saying Jesus and yelling some other stuff, but he never did present the Gospel. He also kept pushing for people to come to the alter and kept on until someone responded. That's not the Spirit bringing some to life out of the trespasses and sins.
If you want to see a true presentation of the Gospel watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYuRa1iPM8U
That video is NOT the gospel being preached - in that there is need to preach the law to them first. Real examples of the gospel being preached by Peter is in Acts 10 and by Paul Acts 13. There is no law preached first.
I wonder . . .
If believers simply loved others as Christ loves us and told them about the Good News of the Work of Christ on their behalf - being good ambassadors of His Gospel . . .
. . . if Christians would even feel a 'need' to pine after 'revival'.
Just a thought.
-JGIG
Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christby Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D
Television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller. Part 1, an approximately 7-minute-long broadcast in Southern California on Saturday, May 31, 1997. The following is an exact transcript* of an excerpt close to the end of this broadcast.| Schuller: | Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity? |
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[TD="width: 88%"] Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.
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[TD="width: 12%"] Schuller:
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[TD="width: 88%"] What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?
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[TD="width: 88%"] Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.
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[TD="width: 88%"] [R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
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[TD="width: 88%"] There is. There definitely is.
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Those two spouted off more heresies in about three-four minutes than I can even imagine.
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If there's a heretic anywhere around, you're quick to pat them on their back, eh? Then tell us we are not to slander others in the body of Christ. False teachers are not in the body of Christ.
But if they're sound in the faith and someone slams them, you're quick to jump in.
***to interpret this transcript to make Billy Graham look false is wrong***He is a Man of God and preaches the Gospel***this view should not be promoted on a Christian site and I'm sure you will receive some similar comments...
He's a broken record bro, TRYING to protect the wolves from the shepherds. That is an odd way of causing division in the body, think about it, it is very subtle, reminds me of Paul's warning in Titus 3:11. Show me one alleged believer in Scripture defending heretics.
Reinhart Bonnke is a great Man of God and has a vision for America***he has seen 73 million souls saved in Africa and his vision for America includes the same*** https://youtu.be/KnTkzFWYLUc
All to people that knew the Law. He laid the foundation of Christ, then presented Christ, so you must not have watch the whole video or you would of known that. Presenting Jesus without the instruction of the Law is not presenting the good news, good news of what, that the legal demands of the
law have been fulfilled in Christ.
So what's Matthew 5 about and if you didn't know Jesus' audience all knew the Law, they were under it's legal demands. Why do you think those that were enlightened by the His teachings understood it, because they knew the demands of the Law. That's why Paul writes about the Law before he writes about the righteousness that comes by faith. The Law and it's demands and judgement are what makes grace so amazing.
Romans 2:17-20, 3:19-20 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God18 and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law;19 and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth........Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Why do you think the writer of Hebrews says 6:1-2 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
The elementary doctrines of Christ, which are in the Law and these hebrews know that, dead works is trying to be righteous by keeping the Law. This is why the so-called Church in America falls for so much false doctrine, is because they don't knew what the Gospel is. When you instruct people in the Law and the weight and penalty of it becomes a reality to them, the good news that Christ fulfilled the Law to save them from it's legal demands. They will love ?jesus because He first loved them.
There's is only one reason why. If you don't know the Gospel, you think anything that says Jesus is the Gospel. It's the state of the so-called church in America, their hero Billy showed his true colors. He never once laid the foundation of the Gospel.
Gentiles are NOT Jews. Hebrews is talking to Jews that grew up with a diet of the Law of Moses.
I have heard the story of a missions group with the same tactic of giving people the law first have this happen to them. They were in a remote area and they came to give them the law of Moses first. When they went back the next week to actually give them the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ - the tribe were mostly wiped out from a neighboring tribe. These Gentiles were killed before they even heard the gospel message. It was a total shame.
If you really want to see that they gospel actually looks like when it is proclaimed to Gentiles - check out Peter's word for word account in Acts 10. It is NOT giving out the law of Moses first. That is a man-made tradition from whatever denomination they belong to.