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That was before they received the holy spirit. After they received the spirit there is no mention in the NT of an earthly kingdom until after the resurrection.
Understand that this future earthly kingdom so noted in Acts 1:6 is confirmed by Christ Himself.

Matthew 19:28: Jesus speaks of a future "new world" (the palingenesia) where the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones "judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The "until" (Greek: achri or heōs) statements in the New Testament are pivotal as they establish a timeline or a "waiting period" before the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom.

Here are the four primary "until" statements often cited as markers for the transition to the Millennial Kingdom:

1. The "Times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24)
Jesus provides a chronological endpoint for the foreign occupation of Jerusalem.
The Text: "Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
The Implication: This suggests that the "trampling" is a temporary state. Once that specific era of Gentile world-dominion ends, the city returns to the sovereign control of Israel under the Messiah.

2. The "Fullness of the Gentiles" (Romans 11:25)
Paul uses an "until" statement to describe the spiritual hardening of Israel.
The Text: "A partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in."
The Implication: Paul links the restoration of Israel’s spiritual sight—and their subsequent national salvation—to the completion of the Gentile harvest. Once that "fullness" is reached, the "Deliverer will come from Zion" (v. 26).

3. The "Restoration of All Things" (Acts 3:21)
During his second sermon, Peter explains why Jesus is currently in heaven and when he will return.
The Text: "...whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets."
The Implication: This is perhaps the most direct answer to the Acts 1:6 question. Peter clarifies that Jesus remains in heaven until the specific moment for the "restoration" (the same root word used in Acts 1:6) occurs.

4. The "Subjection of Enemies" (1 Corinthians 15:25)
Paul outlines the administrative transition of the Kingdom.
The Text: "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."
The Implication: While some debate if this refers to the current church age or the Millennium itself, it establishes the "until" of Christ's active conquest, ending with the defeat of death, which many align with the conclusion of the Millennial reign.
 
I was thinking the same. :)
Think biblically in terms of recorded facts. Not opinions not fantasy.

Isaiah 9:7: A Messianic prophecy stating that the Child born will sit "on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it... from this time forth and forevermore."

Luke 1:32–33: The Angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary. "The Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."
Note: This specifically mentions the "house of Jacob" (ethnic Israel) and the "throne of David" (a specific office), not just a general "spiritual" reign.
 
Understand that this future earthly kingdom so noted in Acts 1:6 is confirmed by Christ Himself.

Matthew 19:28: Jesus speaks of a future "new world" (the palingenesia) where the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones "judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Yes, that's after the resurrection. Palingenesia (new genesis) actually means regeneration, ie, resurrection

G3824 παλιγγενεσία paliggenesia (pa-liyn-ğe-ne-siy'-a) n.
1. (spiritually) regeneration (the state or the act).
 
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Of course there was. Please use relevant passages to support your position. Vague comments have zero value.

This passage post resurrection of course.

Act 1:6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
An important distinction in their question( imperfect tense/ they were repeatedly asking)?

It is not "if" you will restore the kingdom of Israel. It is "when."........They knew Israel will be restored, it is a matter of when.

There is no question about the IF it is about the WHEN.
 
An important distinction in their question( imperfect tense/ they were repeatedly asking)?

It is not "if" you will restore the kingdom of Israel. It is "when."........They knew Israel will be restored, it is a matter of when.

There is no question about the IF it is about the WHEN.
Agree. The succinct precise grammar in the infallible Greek is perfectly clear: a matter of WHEN not IF....

The short answer is yes. From a linguistic standpoint, the Greek construction of the disciples' question and Jesus' subsequent answer strongly implies that the restoration of the kingdom is a certainty, even if the timing was withheld.

The precision of the Greek in Acts 1:6–7 provides three key grammatical markers that support the literal restoration of the nation:

1. The Verb Apokathistanis (Restore)
The disciples use the word ἀποκαθιστάνεις (apokathistaneis).
The Meaning: This is a compound of apo (back again) and kathistēmi (to set in order). In classical and Septuagint Greek, it specifically refers to reconstitution or returning something to its original, rightful state.
The Implication: You cannot "restore" something that never existed. By using this word, the disciples are referring to the specific, national, Davidic kingdom of the Old Testament. If Jesus intended to replace Israel with a "spiritual church," this would be a "replacement" or "new creation," not a restoration.

2. The Use of "Israel" (tō Israēl)
The disciples specify the beneficiary of this restoration: τῷ Ἰσραήλ (tō Israēl).
The Specificity: In the New Testament, when "Israel" is used without qualification in a historical or political context, it refers to the ethnic/national progeny of Jacob.
Jesus’ Non-Correction: Most tellingly, Jesus does not correct their terminology. He does not say, "You misunderstand; there is no kingdom for Israel." Instead, He addresses the chronology ("It is not for you to know times or seasons"). In logic, to dispute the timing of an event is to concede the reality of the event itself.

3. The Noun Chronos vs. Kairos (Times and Seasons)
In verse 7, Jesus says it is not for them to know the χρόνους (chronous) or καιρούς (kairous).
The Distinction: Chronos refers to chronological time (minutes, days, years), while kairos refers to "epochal" time or "the right moment."
The Fulfillment: By saying these times are "fixed by the Father's own authority," Jesus affirms that the "restoration" is a scheduled event on the Father’s calendar. If the restoration were never going to happen, there would be no "time or season" to keep secret.
 
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An important distinction in their question( imperfect tense/ they were repeatedly asking)?

It is not "if" you will restore the kingdom of Israel. It is "when."........They knew Israel will be restored, it is a matter of when.

There is no question about the IF it is about the WHEN.
It is worth noting that for 40 days prior to this question, Jesus had been teaching them specifically about the "Kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3). If the disciples—after over a month of intensive seminars with the resurrected Christ—still held a "false" view of a national restoration, it would reflect poorly on Jesus’ teaching abilities. Their question is best understood as the natural conclusion of what He had just taught them.

Technical Note: The present indicative active form of "restore" in their question (apokathistaneis) suggests they thought it was happening right then. Jesus’ answer doesn't negate the act, only the immediacy.
 
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Agree. The succinct precise grammar in the infallible Greek is perfectly clear: a matter of WHEN not IF....

The short answer is yes. From a linguistic standpoint, the Greek construction of the disciples' question and Jesus' subsequent answer strongly implies that the restoration of the kingdom is a certainty, even if the timing was withheld.

The precision of the Greek in Acts 1:6–7 provides three key grammatical markers that support the literal restoration of the nation:

1. The Verb Apokathistanis (Restore)
The disciples use the word ἀποκαθιστάνεις (apokathistaneis).
The Meaning: This is a compound of apo (back again) and kathistēmi (to set in order). In classical and Septuagint Greek, it specifically refers to reconstitution or returning something to its original, rightful state.
The Implication: You cannot "restore" something that never existed. By using this word, the disciples are referring to the specific, national, Davidic kingdom of the Old Testament. If Jesus intended to replace Israel with a "spiritual church," this would be a "replacement" or "new creation," not a restoration.

2. The Use of "Israel" (tō Israēl)
The disciples specify the beneficiary of this restoration: τῷ Ἰσραήλ (tō Israēl).
The Specificity: In the New Testament, when "Israel" is used without qualification in a historical or political context, it refers to the ethnic/national progeny of Jacob.
Jesus’ Non-Correction: Most tellingly, Jesus does not correct their terminology. He does not say, "You misunderstand; there is no kingdom for Israel." Instead, He addresses the chronology ("It is not for you to know times or seasons"). In logic, to dispute the timing of an event is to concede the reality of the event itself.

3. The Noun Chronos vs. Kairos (Times and Seasons)
In verse 7, Jesus says it is not for them to know the χρόνους (chronous) or καιρούς (kairous).
The Distinction: Chronos refers to chronological time (minutes, days, years), while kairos refers to "epochal" time or "the right moment."
The Fulfillment: By saying these times are "fixed by the Father's own authority," Jesus affirms that the "restoration" is a scheduled event on the Father’s calendar. If the restoration were never going to happen, there would be no "time or season" to keep secret.

All in their future, not 2000+ years in the future.
 
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It is worth noting that for 40 days prior to this question, Jesus had been teaching them specifically about the "Kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3). If the disciples—after over a month of intensive seminars with the resurrected Christ—still held a "false" view of a national restoration, it would reflect poorly on Jesus’ teaching abilities. Their question is best understood as the natural conclusion of what He had just taught them.

Technical Note: The present indicative active form of "restore" in their question (apokathistaneis) suggests they thought it was happening right then. Jesus’ answer doesn't negate the act, only the immediacy.
And not to mention that the disciples were well aware of all the OT prophecies concerning Israel.

This is why it was never a question of IF Israel would be restored, it is WHEN.
 
It is worth noting that for 40 days prior to this question, Jesus had been teaching them specifically about the "Kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3). If the disciples—after over a month of intensive seminars with the resurrected Christ—still held a "false" view of a national restoration, it would reflect poorly on Jesus’ teaching abilities.

It was because they hadn't been baptized with the holy spirit yet. Once they had the spirit of truth they understood what they were experiencing was what the prophets were talking about.
 
That is funny. His 2 brain cells are fighting each other.

The only reason I don't let my kids swim in the sewer lagoons......Is because that is NOT THE INTENDED PURPOSE.

It's like the purple haired Karens sitting in the middle of the highway stopping traffic because of pronouns....remove the scumbags, and the intended purpose of the highway resumes.
 
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It was because they hadn't been baptized with the holy spirit yet. Once they had the spirit of truth they understood what they were experiencing was what the prophets were talking about.
Flailing around vainly emitting baseless assertions has zero effect upon the utterly definitive non-arbitrary proclamation of the codified Greek text itself.

Having said that I would urge you to hearken unto the words of Jesus rather than defying and denying.
 
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Think biblically in terms of recorded facts. Not opinions not fantasy.

Isaiah 9:7: A Messianic prophecy stating that the Child born will sit "on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it... from this time forth and forevermore."

Luke 1:32–33: The Angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary. "The Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."
Note: This specifically mentions the "house of Jacob" (ethnic Israel) and the "throne of David" (a specific office), not just a general "spiritual" reign.

So He is only going to reign over ethnic Israel?
 
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Flailing around vainly emitting baseless assertions has zero effect upon the utterly definitive non-arbitrary proclamation of the codified Greek text itself.

Having said that I would urge you to hearken unto the words of Jesus rather than defying and denying.

I can tell you really don't know the experience of the indwelling holy spirit of truth witnessing to the truth the prophets spoke.
 
Flailing around vainly emitting baseless assertions has zero effect upon the utterly definitive non-arbitrary proclamation of the codified Greek text itself.

Having said that I would urge you to hearken unto the words of Jesus rather than defying and denying.

I can tell you really don't know the experience of the indwelling holy spirit of truth witnessing to the truth the prophets spoke.

The pharisees didn't have the spirit of truth either. That's why you are on the same page with them and believe the same things
 
Flailing around vainly emitting baseless assertions has zero effect upon the utterly definitive non-arbitrary proclamation of the codified Greek text itself.

Having said that I would urge you to hearken unto the words of Jesus rather than defying and denying.
Isn't it ironic that we have all these "Israel deniers" yet they fight, vehemently and tooth and nail for the sovereignty of any other nation on this planet.....EVIL nations.

Every nation deserves their opportunity and safety........EXCEPT for Israel.

Israel still proves that God keeps His promises....Even as Israel denies and rejects HIM.....Eternal security symbolism.
 
Of course there was. Please use relevant passages to support your position. Vague comments have zero value.

This passage post resurrection of course.

Act 1:6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Good point, verses about the rapture can't possibly be talking about His resurrection, not only so He said "it is not for you to know the times and seasons" so what He told them in Matthew 24 that pertained to them being persecuted and killed was not a reference to the 2nd coming.
 
Flailing around vainly emitting baseless assertions has zero effect upon the utterly definitive non-arbitrary proclamation of the codified Greek text itself.

Having said that I would urge you to hearken unto the words of Jesus rather than defying and denying.
Ignore them.