Revolution in Iran

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And you thought that Jesus Messiah is in some way shape or form the abomination that makes desolate?

There's no question that the abomination of crucifying the son of God led to the desolation of Jerusalem. The bible clearly says so in a parable. Whether that is what Jesus was referring to, I don't know, but I don't think so because Daniel mentioned more than one abomination of desolation. Which one was Jesus referring to? The verse says let the reader understand.
 
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They don't have to.

Start at the beginning. The pure milk.

Rom 5:15
But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2 Cor 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”<<<<Equal Privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.

Reformed theory has no system, because it face plants at the beginning/pure milk. Reformed theory has no chance of advancing because it changes the rules from the very beginning. A false premise will never lead to the truth. The milk is sour and will ALWAYS spoil the meat.

The Grace of God flows to ALL. ALL have an opportunity to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and receive eternal life.

Ditch the reformed theory for this very simple fact of the pure milk of His word.
You have plucked some verses out of their intended context and misapplied them to support your Denomination's teaching of the unbiblical version of gospel, called "Universalism". This theory makes a mockery of the true gospel message.
Your universalist version of the gospel means that Gods Word contradicts itself in many verses of scripture. I'm not going to engage in a tic for tack game of pitting Gods Word against Gods Word with you. Unlike yourself, I don't believe that Gods Word contradicts itself.
Here are some verses that destroy the Universalist version of the gospel -
Matthew 7:13-14 (The Narrow Gate): “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Luke 13:23–24 (Will few be saved?): “And someone said to him, ‘Lord, will those who are saved be few?’ And he said to them, ‘Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.’”
Matthew 7:21–23 (Not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord'): “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven...”
Romans 9:22–23 (Vessels of wrath): “What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction...?”
All humans are born sinners and incapable of choosing God on their own. Left alone, all would choose the broad path.
God, before the foundation of the world, chose some (the elect) for salvation based on his purpose, not their merit.
Christ died only for the elect, ensuring their salvation, rather than making salvation possible for all but guaranteed for none.
God has not chosen to bestow the enabling grace required to believe and turn from the broad path, on every single person as you falsely claim.
Those who go to hell are not "innocent" people who just missed out; they are sinful people receiving just punishment for their sins. The elect are not saved because we are better, but because we are recipients of mercy.

You need to learn how to understand the context of verses like John 3:16, because it not saying that "God loved every single person in the world", as that would make Him a liar. You don't torment people in the lake of fire for all eternity if you love them.
So "the world" in that context is actually saying that God has chosen to save people from the whole world "
Not only Jews". The Jews needed to be reminded that they were no longer special and they were now equal to the Gentiles.

I'm not going to correct you on everything, sufficed to say you have been taught unbiblical doctrines. So my suggestion would be to scrap everything you've been taught and start again, with a faithful teacher.
 
Time and "seeking, knocking and asking" will yield results.
Blindly following? Not so much.
Thanks for your advice, but I don't need it as I'm not seeking anything. Only those who are lost seek, those of us who have already found the truth have no need to seek it any longer.
 
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Daniel mentions the words abomination that makes desolate in 3 different verses. Only in verse 12:11 is it called THE abomination that makes desolate (το βδέλυγμα ερημώσεως), which is the expression Jesus used in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 (το βδέλυγμα της ερημώσεως)
 
This was not posted by some fan of Trump.
Trump posted it about himself.
Christians should take warning about this man.
The Lord will defend His name, pride goes before a fall. This reminds me of this chapter in Daniel

Daniel 4:19 Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies. 20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; 21 Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation: 22 It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth. 23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him; 24 This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king: 25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 26 And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule. 27 Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity. 28 All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
 
"The world is run by gangsters and you should view the events in that light"


ALERT: They're LYING About the War, MASSIVE Military Build Up, 5 Signs a LONG WAR is CERTAIN​


A blockade only works if it is longterm. About 25% of Iran's food supply is imported by sea. A week ago Trump was threatening to wipe out the Iranian civilization. No one goes from threatening total annihilation to playing nice in one week.
 
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The hard core Reformed say that there is no King, no Jews, no Kingdom. Can you then please inquire of your pastor about these passages?

Luk 1:33 - And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

2Ti 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Mat 2:2 - Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Mat 27:11 - Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus said to him, “It is as you say.”

Mar 15:2 - And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.

Jhn 18:37 - Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Mat 13:41 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
My pastor did have a look at the email I sent him with a link to your post. He dismissed you as being ill-informed and misled.

He advised me not to get caught up in vain disputes with people who pluck verses of scripture, out of their intended context and twist them to make them say what they are not saying.

He said that Romans 9:24-33 confirms that Israel is not Gods chosen people, and that should put your argument to bed.

Roman 9:24-33 Even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.” Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved.
For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.” And as Isaiah said before: “Unless the LORD of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Can you see now that Israel/Jews are nothing special. They are in fact no better that Sodom and Gamora, but for the grace of God.
I can't see how you can continue holding onto this unbiblical idea that Israelis have some kind of "Diplomatic Immunity" with God. The Bible is clear, the Lord Jesus is not the King of the Jews. He is the Kings of of all believers "Jews and Gentiles" alike. He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 
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"The world is run by gangsters and you should view the events in that light"


ALERT: They're LYING About the War, MASSIVE Military Build Up, 5 Signs a LONG WAR is CERTAIN​


A blockade only works if it is longterm. About 25% of Iran's food supply is imported by sea. A week ago Trump was threatening to wipe out the Iranian civilization. No one goes from threatening total annihilation to playing nice in one week.
If the world wasn't run by gangsters, then the bible couldn't be taken seriously. Lets not lose sight of the fact that the Price of this world is the Devil, so He would never allow a man of God into the White House or any other seat of power.

The only time we will see justice, is when the Prince of peace returns.
 
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Trying to make sense of the US strategy.

1. I think the bombardment of Iran was to gain complete air superiority and decimate their ability to fire missiles. This was because of the second stage

2. The second stage is to run a blockade of Iran. They didn't want their ships to be targets of Iranian missiles. They couldn't run a blockade without total air superiority and decimating their missile capability. But the plan was never to put boots on the ground, they understand that is where Iran can send home US soldiers in coffins. This is a long term plan. Think of the siege of Jerusalem, the blockade began months before the city was sacked.

3. Trump's threat to wipe out their civilization was revealing what they are considering. Clearly they are considering wiping out Iran's power grid. If you are going to institute a blockade that prevents food from being imported and 25% of their food is imported, they could probably survive for more than a year or two under those conditions. But if you include water, then the time frame becomes weeks instead of years. Surgical strikes on the power grid could make the water situation a crisis with a viable threat of total destruction while allowing enough pumping to make life miserable but just short of apocalyptic.

Clearly the US does not want boots on the ground and the possibility of a populist uprising is slim to none. I would think that the blockade and possible attacks on the power grid would cause many Iranians to not support the US. However, there is a possibility that Israel and the other Mideast nations have a plan on fanning the flames of an uprising on the streets of Iran. The best way to seize strategic cities would be to shut off the power and those that want water will have to get it from those revolting against the IRGC who are being supplied by the US and others.
 
There's no question that the abomination of crucifying the son of God led to the desolation of Jerusalem. The bible clearly says so in a parable. Whether that is what Jesus was referring to, I don't know, but I don't think so because Daniel mentioned more than one abomination of desolation. Which one was Jesus referring to? The verse says let the reader understand.
Preposterous. And wrong. And BTW, Jesus was NOT crucified "in the Temple" or anywhere on the Temple grounds.
The obvious fact is that THESE passages.......

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

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Are the FURTURE fulfillment of this person and event.....

Dan 11:31 (Antiochus IV Ephipanies, a "type" of the antitype of Daniel 12:11)
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Mar 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

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Let the record show that the dogma so proposed by @ChristRoseFromTheDead
has been completely and finally and totally debunked as an unbiblical fabrication.

Dan 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
 
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My pastor did have a look at the email I sent him with a link to your post. He dismissed you as being ill-informed and misled.

He advised me not to get caught up in vain disputes with people who pluck verses of scripture, out of their intended context and twist them to make them say what they are not saying.

He said that Romans 9:24-33 confirms that Israel is not Gods chosen people, and that should put your argument to bed.

Roman 9:24-33 Even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.” Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved.
For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.” And as Isaiah said before: “Unless the LORD of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”


What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Can you see now that Israel/Jews are nothing special. They are in fact no better that Sodom and Gamora, but for the grace of God.
I can't see how you can continue holding onto this unbiblical idea that Israelis have some kind of "Diplomatic Immunity" with God. The Bible is clear, the Lord Jesus is not the King of the Jews. He is the Kings of of all believers "Jews and Gentiles" alike. He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Tell your poor uninformed pastor that there are HUNDREDS of passages in the Bible that in no uncertain terms say otherwise.

Oh.....and ask you pastor if he feels any "70th week of Daniel tribulation vibes" in these Samson passages.

Jdg 15:2 - Her father said, “I really thought that you thoroughly hated her; therefore I gave her to your companion. Is not her younger sister better than she? Please, take her instead.”

Jdg 15:3 - And Samson said to them, “This time I shall be blameless regarding the Philistines if I harm them!”

Jdg 15:8 - So he attacked them hip and thigh with a great slaughter; then he went down and dwelt in the cleft of the rock of Etam.

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Did your poor uninformed pastor forget about Gomer and the lesson of the book of Hosea?

Hos 2:16 - “And it shall be, in that day,”
Says the LORD,
“That you will call Me ‘My Husband,’
And no longer call Me ‘My Master,’

Hos 2:19 - “I will betroth you to Me forever;
Yes, I will betroth you to Me
In righteousness and justice,
In lovingkindness and mercy;

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Oh yes lets not forget about this. Am I the only one who did the readings?

Rom 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
 
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This was not posted by some fan of Trump.
Trump posted it about himself.
Christians should take warning about this man.

They should indeed, and they should apologize to every person they labeled and slandered with TDS and thought it was oh so funny.
Some are so far gone they still make excuses, unfortunately.

Or the usual well "Dems this" and "Dems that.":rolleyes:
 
There's no question that the abomination of crucifying the son of God led to the desolation of Jerusalem. The bible clearly says so in a parable. Whether that is what Jesus was referring to, I don't know, but I don't think so because Daniel mentioned more than one abomination of desolation. Which one was Jesus referring to? The verse says let the reader understand.

Notice how it is represented inaccurately. Logical fallacy of erecting a straw man.
And you thought that Jesus Messiah is in some way shape or form the abomination that makes desolate?

It is the crucifixion which caused the desolation.

The Messiah was always the center of this prophecy.
His arrival, His ministry, and His death were the focal point of Daniel’s vision.
Yet, despite overwhelming evidence, many continue to search for another abomination, another destruction, another future event to anchor this prophecy. But the truth is staring them in the face.

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ was the greatest injustice, the most horrific betrayal, and the ultimate act of abomination.
It caused the deepest spiritual desolation Israel had ever known—for they rejected their own Redeemer.

To reduce this prophecy to the destruction of a building—especially one whose divine purpose had already been fulfilled at the cross—is to miss the entire point of Daniel’s message.

This was never about bricks and mortar. It was about God’s covenant, His people, and their rejection of Him.
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Notice how it is represented inaccurately. Logical fallacy of erecting a straw man.


It is the crucifixion which caused the desolation.

The Messiah was always the center of this prophecy.
His arrival, His ministry, and His death were the focal point of Daniel’s vision.
Yet, despite overwhelming evidence, many continue to search for another abomination, another destruction, another future event to anchor this prophecy. But the truth is staring them in the face.

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ was the greatest injustice, the most horrific betrayal, and the ultimate act of abomination.
It caused the deepest spiritual desolation Israel had ever known—for they rejected their own Redeemer.

To reduce this prophecy to the destruction of a building—especially one whose divine purpose had already been fulfilled at the cross—is to miss the entire point of Daniel’s message.

This was never about bricks and mortar. It was about God’s covenant, His people, and their rejection of Him.
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@ChristRoseFromTheDead has clearly stated many times that:

THE CRUCIFIXION IS THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE.

"So was crucifying the son of God an abomination?"

"There's no question that the abomination of crucifying the son of God led to the desolation of Jerusalem."

"That's because you're afraid to admit the truth that you don't think Christ being crucified was an abomination."

I have conclusively proven that the crucifixion is definitely NOT the abomination of desolation in any way shape or form.

And now I see that both her and you are backpedaling and moving to goalposts to assuage your audience aka targets.
This is typical of those proffering bogus dogma.
 
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So, for clarification- what this timeline diagram does, essentially has Daniel 9 referring to the time of Antiochus Epiphanes- not Titus/70AD. This effectively makes Daniel mostly non-eschatological- the references to Daniel resting and receiving his inheritance are there to reassure Daniel that God is still going to fulfill everything he has always said; rather than the entire prophecy pointing to end-times. Sealing up the scroll "until the time of the end", likely means "until you die", like he tells Daniel "Go you way to the end" likely means "until you die" rather than until the end of time, or the world, or anything else.

Perhaps the visual is not clear.

AD 27 to AD 30 Messiah’s ministry
AD30 Messiah cut off
AD30 to AD 67 completion of the Eschaton/Age
AD 67 to AD 70 Time of great distress, Temple destroyed, Age of temple sacrifices ended.

“to seal up vision and prophet” is the termination of the prophetic office through fulfillment 70 AD