Revolution in Iran
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These Catholics like Owens and Tucker are about to get one rude awakening. From Martin Luther to Hitler to Owens/Tucker, Jewish hate continues to this day because of jealousy. Even when they are told not to boast in Romans 11 they refuse to obey the Word.
When the disciples asked the Lord if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at this time (Acts 1:6) their translation of the Bible changes verse seven to "Oh no, I am not going to restore the kingdom to Israel, I am going to replace Israel with the church".
Also they change Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
to this:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (allegorically, not literally).
You got it the wrong way around - Israel wasn't replaced - it was expanded. The Church (i.e. gentiles) was grafted into the Israel of God. Now the Israel of God and the Church of God are all Christians (in Christ) - Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Oh, I see, and now the church builds the Holy Sanctuary and begins again to offer oblations and sacrifices and then puts an idol in the Holy Temple called the abomination of desolation. So all those prophecies that I thought were spoken to the nation of Israel they are actually for the church. I think this would make a great Abbot and Costello skit.
No, that's history. Hence the importance of defining "this generation" as "this generation", and not "this generation in 2000 years time". But see, you change one part of scripture, and you need to change all of it.
Just to detail a bit more,
the "church" (believers, Israel of God) is same the spiritual Israel (by faith) in the OT and NT.Yes, as the Gospel was sent out to the gentiles, they became part of the tree, the tree has always just been comprised of believers by faith, not by ethnicity.
When the director of counterterrorism says he is told not to investigate terror, it kinda makes it mainstream news, this is not just whacky conspiracy.
Amen.Just to detail a bit more,
Yes, as the Gospel was sent out to the gentiles, they became part of the tree, the tree has always just been comprised of believers by faith, not by ethnicity.
The man is a liar and a leaker. If he had a spine, he wouldn't have changed his story after being investigated. He has more information without access than those with access? He's deep state.
Oh, so when Antiochus Ephiphanes put an idol in the temple, that is what Jesus was referring to? Why is Jesus talking as though this is future event when it had already happened?
Just to detail a bit more,
Yes, as the Gospel was sent out to the gentiles, they became part of the tree, the tree has always just been comprised of believers by faith, not by ethnicity.
Zechariah 12:2-3 — Jerusalem made a "cup of staggering" to surrounding peoples; all nations gather against it.
- If Jerusalem means "the church," which surrounding peoples were besieging the church in Zechariah's day — and why would a spiritual community need a literal Mount of Olives splitting in two just chapters later to provide an escape route?
- The text specifies Judah separately from Jerusalem — if both are spiritualized into "the church," why does the prophecy treat them as two distinct entities needing reconciliation?
Zechariah 12:9 — God will destroy nations that come against Jerusalem.
- Which literal nations will God destroy if the target city is metaphorical — and does it make coherent sense for real geopolitical armies to wage war against a spiritual abstraction?
Zechariah 12:10 — Israel looks on "him whom they have pierced" and mourns.
- Paul quotes this same piercing language in Romans 11:26 and applies it to ethnic Israel's future salvation — if the mourners here are the church, why would the church need to discover they pierced their own Messiah as a future event?
- The mourning is described clan by clan — the house of David, the house of Nathan, the house of Levi (v.12-13) — why would the Holy Spirit specify recognizable Israelite tribal lineages if the referent is a multinational spiritual body?
Zechariah 14:1-21 — Nations gather, city is taken, Lord's feet stand on the Mount of Olives, which physically splits.
- The Mount of Olives is a specific, named, surveyed geological feature northeast of Jerusalem. If this is symbolic, what is the symbol of — and why would symbolism require such precise topographical detail including compass directions (splitting east to west, halves moving north and south)?
- Verse 16 describes the survivors of attacking nations coming annually to Jerusalem to worship and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Which feast does the church keep that fulfills this, and which church members were previously attacking Jerusalem?
Joel 3:2 — God gathers nations to the Valley of Jehoshaphat for judgment because they scattered Israel and divided the land.
- The stated reason for judgment is the scattering of a specific people and the partition of a specific land. If Israel is the church, which nations scattered the church into exile and divided its territory — and when did the church possess a land that could be geographically divided?
Isaiah 11:12 — God assembles the banished of Israel and gathers the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
- The text distinguishes "Israel" from "Judah" as two separate groups being reunited — a distinction that maps precisely onto the historical Assyrian and Babylonian deportations. What theological event in the church's history produced two distinct spiritually-dispersed factions needing separate regathering?
- The word nidchey (נִדְחֵי, "banished/outcasts") carries the specific legal meaning of forcible exile. Can the church, which has never been nationally exiled, be the referent of a term with that precise juridical weight?
Isaiah 66:8 — "Shall a nation be born in one day?"
- This verse was routinely cited by Christian Zionists before 1948 as predicting Israel's rebirth as a nation. If it refers to the church, on what specific calendar date was the church "born in one day" — and why does the text use the Hebrew goy (nation-state) rather than qahal (congregation/assembly)?
Ezekiel 36:24 — "I will take you from the nations... and bring you into your own land."
- The antecedent of "your own land" is specified in the surrounding context as the mountains of Israel (36:1), the land given to the fathers (36:28), with its cities rebuilt and fields cultivated (36:33-35). Can a church composed of every ethnicity on earth be "brought back" to a land it never possessed — and how does spiritual Israel plant literal vineyards (v.35)?
Ezekiel 38-39 — Gog of Magog leads a coalition (including Persia/Iran, Cush, Put) against Israel.
- Persia, Cush, and Put are unambiguously literal nation-states in every other use in the Hebrew Bible. By what interpretive rule do they remain literal while Israel alone becomes symbolic within the same sentence?
- The aftermath describes seven months of burying the dead in Israel and seven years of burning weapons (39:9,12) — what spiritual community buries spiritual corpses for a literal seven-month period on a literal piece of geography called "the Valley of Hamon-Gog"?
Luke 21:24 — Jerusalem trampled by Gentiles "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
- The word until (ἄχρι) implies a terminus — a point at which Gentile domination of Jerusalem ends. If Jerusalem is the church, what does it mean for Gentiles to stop trampling the church — and hasn't the church always been predominantly Gentile?
- Jesus is answering a question about a specific physical temple his disciples could point to (v.5) — at what point does literal architecture become a metaphor within the same discourse?
Daniel 9:27 — The Antichrist makes a covenant, then ends sacrifice and offering at the midpoint.
- "Sacrifice and offering" (הַזֶּבַח וּמִנְחָה) are the precise technical terms of the Levitical sacrificial system. For this prophecy to be fulfilled spiritually, does the church need to first re-establish a literal sacrificial system — and if not, what exactly is being stopped?
Romans 11:26 — "All Israel will be saved."
- Paul has spent three chapters (Romans 9-11) carefully distinguishing ethnic Israel from Gentile believers, explicitly grieving that his own kinsmen according to the flesh (9:3) are currently enemies of the gospel (11:28). If "all Israel" here means the church, who are the enemies-of-the-gospel branches that get re-grafted in (11:23-24)?
Genesis 15:18 — Land covenant from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates given to Abram's offspring.
- This covenant has never been fulfilled in its full geographical extent in any period of Israelite or church history. If "offspring" means spiritual children by faith, which Gentile Christians are currently in legal possession of the territory between the Nile and the Euphrates — and does real estate transfer spiritually?
Yes, now that you say that. Israel is much bigger than what you see on the map. Israel spans out into the whole earth.
Right now the youth in schools and college, are taking up bibles. It's coming, because when all those kids get out of school...