Revolution in Iran
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How do you explain Abraham being the father of all Jews, Christians and Muslims. So are all three included in that covenant. If so then Israel is nothing special.These matters go right to the backbone of OT theology: which covenants are explicitly called everlasting and unconditional, especially those tied to land, throne, and national identity.
Below is a clear, text-based breakdown with the key Hebrew terms and passages.
1. The Abrahamic Covenant — Everlasting land + nation
Core passages
- Genesis 12:1–3
- Genesis 15:18–21
- Genesis 17:7–8
Key statement
Hebrew terms:
- “berit olam” (בְּרִית עוֹלָם) = everlasting covenant
- “achuzzat olam” (אֲחֻזַּת עוֹלָם) = everlasting possession (land)
Why it’s unconditional
- In Genesis 15, only God (symbolized by fire) passes between the pieces.
- Abraham does not pass through → no bilateral obligation.
This is a unilateral grant covenant:
- Land
- Seed (nation)
- Blessing
2. The Davidic Covenant — Everlasting throne/kingship
Core passages
- 2 Samuel 7:12–16
- Psalm 89:3–4, 34–37
- Psalm 132:11–12
Key statement
Hebrew terms:
- “ad olam” (עַד־עוֹלָם) = forever
- “olam” repeatedly applied to throne and dynasty
Unconditional nature (with discipline clause)
- Psalm 89 is decisive:
- Kings may be judged
- Covenant itself cannot be annulled
3. The Land Covenant (Deuteronomic expansion)
Often treated as an extension of Abrahamic promises.
Key passage
- Deuteronomy 30:1–10
Key idea
- Even after exile:
Nature
- Not called explicitly “everlasting” in the same formula as Genesis 17,
- Guarantees final restoration to the land
- Based on prior unconditional oath to Abraham
- The operational outworking of the Abrahamic land promise
4. The New Covenant — Everlasting spiritual + national restoration
Core passages
- Jeremiah 31:31–37
- Ezekiel 36:24–28
- Ezekiel 37:26–28
Key statement
Hebrew:
- berit olam again
Why it’s unconditional
- God says repeatedly: “I will…”
- New heart
- Indwelling Spirit
- National regathering
- Permanent relationship
Permanence clause (very strong)
Jeremiah 31:
5. The Priesthood Covenant (Phinehas)
Often overlooked but explicitly everlasting.
Key passage
- Numbers 25:10–13
Key statement
Hebrew:
- “berit kehunnat olam” = everlasting priesthood covenant
Nature
- Granted to Phinehas
- Zealous act
- Line of Aaron
6. The Noahic Covenant — Everlasting stability of the earth
Key passage
- Genesis 9:8–17
Key statement
Scope
- Not Israel-specific
- No global flood again
- Stability of creation order
- Explicitly unconditional and everlasting
7. Summary Table
Covenant Recipient What is guaranteed Everlasting language Unconditional? Abrahamic Abraham & seed Land, nation, blessing Yes (berit olam) Yes Davidic David Throne/kingship Yes (ad olam) Yes New Covenant Israel (and wider application) Spiritual renewal + restoration Yes Yes Land (Deut 30) Israel Regathering to land Implied Yes (based on Abrahamic) Phinehas Priestly line Priesthood Yes Yes Noahic All humanity Earth stability Yes Yes
8. Big-picture synthesis
These covenants form a coherent framework:
- Abrahamic → Who owns the land
- Davidic → Who rules the kingdom
- New Covenant → How the people are transformed
- Priestly (Phinehas) → Who mediates worship
- Noahic → Why history continues at all
Final observation
The repeated use of “olam” (everlasting) across multiple independent covenants is not accidental.
- Land (geographical)
- Throne (political)
- People (spiritual)
- Worship (priestly)
And again, I can just insert Church in every one of thos passages that mentions Israel or the Jews and I would be Biblically correct.
Satan's ultimate purpose is to replace the Kingdom of God. In order to do that, he must have control of both the church and the nation of Israel.
Jeremiah 33: 19-22
"And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: “This is what the LORD says: If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that day and night cease to occupy their appointed time, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant and with My ministers the Levites who are priests, so that David will not have a son to reign on his throne. As the hosts of heaven cannot be counted and as the sand on the seashore cannot be measured, so too will I multiply the descendants of My servant David and the Levites who minister before Me.”
Jeremiah 31:35 & 36
Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of Hosts is His name: “Only if this fixed order departed from My presence, declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease to be a nation before Me.”…
Last I checked, the moon and stars are out and the sun rose this morning. One day, that will change. The new heavens and new earth will need no natural light. Then all distinctions between Israel and gentiles will be erased. Until then, Israel exists as "the nation formed in one day".
Israel is unique. It survives and thrives, 8 million Jews in an ocean of 400 million plus hostile Muslims. Only God can give that kind of protection.
Abraham is the father of the Jews. Ishmael is the child of presumption, Abraham trying to force God's hand. So no, all three are not included in the covenant. Think about it. If Muslims are covenant people, how come they seek to erase Jews and Christians from the earth?
Read Romans 9, 10 and 11. Those chapters make no sense if there is no literal Israel. The Church is grafted into Israel. I know only a little about horticulture. I do know this: you do not cut down the tree where the graft is inserted. Without Israel, the church would not exist.
God could have chosen anyone, anywhere at any time to be the instrument for the coming of the Messiah. He chose Israel. I've learned not to argue with God. He always wins.
I was answering your question if God had made an everlasting covenant with Israel, and provided scripture witnessing to the fact that he, in fact, did. The new covenant has made with the houses of Judah and Israel. However, no one can enter that covenant apart from faith in Christ, and anyone can enter that covenant through faith. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
Anyone on earth is included in the new covenant through faith. Abraham is the father of all who believe. Muslims don't believe, so they are not children of Abraham; but Christians do bleieve, so they are his seed. I have no idea what you are going on about
At the moment Israel is getting pummeled by Hezbollah in Lebanon, an IDF commander just publicly stated that the IDF is on the verge of collapse, Israel has virtually run out of air defense missiles so that Iran can pretty much hit it at will, and Israel is a very small country that Iran, Yemen and Hezbollah could make unlivable in short order. When Israel resorts to nuclear weapons in order to save itself from destruction are you going to be saying that God saved it?
Multiple redundant boilerplate confirmations by God Himself of the perpetual eternal nature of those covenants and promises not good enough for @Journey_man ?
Pity. I expect that his journey will be long, hard, and lead to nowhere.
This war is nothing like the Iraq war. Due to......satellites and sensors.
There are VASTLY more satellites and IMMENSELY improved aircraft sensor packages.
The result of which is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater intel and tracking.
Add to that AI that digests this huge amount of data and spits out all the right locations.
IRGC is back in the stone age in this regard. They cannot cope with the precise tracking and targeting.
Every leader will be found and eliminated and they know it.
There are VASTLY more satellites and IMMENSELY improved aircraft sensor packages.
The result of which is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater intel and tracking.
Add to that AI that digests this huge amount of data and spits out all the right locations.
IRGC is back in the stone age in this regard. They cannot cope with the precise tracking and targeting.
Every leader will be found and eliminated and they know it.
You are seeing different reports from what I'm seeing. Anyone who thought this war would be short and sweet has not been paying attention. Israel has also been building up forces to take on Iran.
If you want something to worry about, Pakistan is at war with Afghanistan. Courtesy of Joe Biden, the Taliban is armed to the teeth. If the Taliban gets its hands on Pakistan's nukes, any catastrophe is possible. I hope you are a praying person.
By the way, the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons is a miracle. Israel did not use them in the Yom Kippor war, even though it looked like they would be overrun. I doubt that they would waste them on Iran now.
Someone is out of touch with reality, based on the response you received.
I am wondering if they themselves are propagandists.
IMO you're really a sick, lost person if you think nuclear weapons are a miracle of God.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Revelation 13:13-14
I am really beginning to understand this now, it is has become abundantly clear to me.
Please get help.
On the contrary, truly understanding eschatology is certainly a SURVIVAL issue.
If you do not know what to WATCH for, your will not be WATCHING and be caught unawares.
Not only that, it is clear that Lord Jesus is using conscientious WATCHFULNESS as a "filter" to discriminate those who TRULY study and then believe on His word from those who are unbelieving and heedless.
Then the awful consequences.
Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
I take it these will be shocked to discover that they "missed the rapture", as they were not PREPARING for the soon arrival of the Bridegroom.
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Luk 19:44
“and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
The Israelites should have known the prophetic timetable per Daniel the Prophet's and others writings. Yet they CHOSE to remain heedless and willfully ignorant. So it shall be in the "imminent rapture" and "end-times", to which we are drawing inexorably near.
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Luk 12:35
“Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;
Luk 12:36
“and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.
Luk 12:37
“Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.
Luk 12:39
“But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Luk 12:40
“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
Luk 12:45
“But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk,
Luk 12:46
“the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Qatar is full of regrets now that their IRGC mad dog cohorts put a knife in their back.