Revolution in Iran

[Journey_man]

Of course it does. The wheat and the tares. The tares are bundled up and tossed into the fire. That is what happens during the tribulation. The wheat is harvested and taken to the barn, that is a general harvest. But the law of God says before you can have a general harvest there must be the firstfruits offered to God. Shavuot was the feast in which they offered the firstfruits of wheat to God. When Jesus was resurrected others were raised from the dead with Him. That was on the first feast of firstfruits, which is the barley harvest. You are to offer a sheaf of barley to God. That is what Jesus did.

So according to the law of God, first you offer the first fruits to God, then you have the general harvest. Finally, there is the gleanings. That also is in the law, it is for the poor, you are not allowed to harvest everything from your field, you have to leave some for the poor to glean. We see this in Ruth, she gleans after the general harvest.

So that is three reapings: Firstfruits

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

harvest, and gleanings.

Revelation 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

I don't believe that those "types and shadows" you mentioned in the OT scriptures, support the idea of 3 raptures.

Revelation 14:4 is focusing on the spiritual purity and total devotion of the church to Jesus Christ. The 144,000 mentioned are seen as a symbolic representation of the entire redeemed people of God, often highlighting their endurance through tribulation rather than a literal group of celibate Jewish men.

The 144,000 are a "token" or "earnest" of a much larger, future harvest of redeemed souls. They represent the consecrated remnant who are set apart for special service and belong entirely to God.
Revelation 14:14 represents the second coming of Jesus Christ to execute final judgment. The "one like a son of man" on a white cloud is recognized as Christ returning to harvest the earth, symbolizing the separation of the righteous from the wicked at the end of the age.
The harvest represents the separation of humanity, (gathering believers first, then the gathering of the wicked for judgment).

The "sharp sickle" indicates that the time of God's patience has ended and the final, righteous judgment has arrived. This is the "fall season" of redemptive history, where the fruits of sin are reaped.

 

[ZNP]

Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”

The bottom line is many people need to go through a world war in order to give God glory and to know that He is the Lord. Think about that movie Hacksaw Ridge. Suppose God who is omniscient selected all those soldiers to be in that company knowing that this would be the only way they could come to see God and know that He is Lord.

 

[ZNP]

Church, sect, and cult leaders have predicted the end of the world hundreds of times throughout history, with over 200 specific dates for apocalyptic events having been recorded. These predictions have occurred in almost every generation for the past 2,000 years.
Failed doomsday predictions are a persistent feature of some religious movements, with some leaders—such as Harold Camping—predicting the end of the world as many as 12 times.
In the Year 1000: Many Christians in Europe feared the end of the world at the turn of the first millennium.
In 1843-1844: William Miller (Millerites) predicted the Second Coming in 1843, which did not occur. It was recalculated to October 22, 1844, known as the "Great Disappointment".
In 1910: The return of Halley’s Comet caused a global panic, with many predicting the comet’s tail would destroy all life.
In 1914 & 1975: Jehovah’s Witnesses prophesied the end of the world in 1914, and later suggested 1975.
In 1997: Heaven's Gate cult leader Marshall Applewhite convinced 39 followers to commit suicide to be transported to a spaceship following the Hale-Bopp comet.
In 2000 (Y2K): Various groups predicted the turn of the millennium would bring about the Biblical apocalypse or massive technological collapse.
In 2011: Harold Camping publicly predicted May 21, 2011, for the Rapture, later shifting it to October 21, 2011, after the first date failed.
2012: Misinterpretation of the Maya Long Count calendar led to widespread predictions of a 2012 apocalypse

Research, such as that detailed in "When Prophecy Fails", shows that failed prophecies often strengthen the commitment of the most devout followers, leading to "dissonance reduction" where followers rationalize the error and often shift to a new, future date.

Yes, and all of that is a fulfillment of the Lord's word that this would happen. Think how incredible it is that 2,000 years ago a preacher in Israel would prophecy that this would happen two thousand years later and it did happen.

Now why do you think the enemy would do this? What was the purpose of getting all these groups all hyped up about the end of the age? The event at the end of the first millennium was more like Y2K, more like people thinking something momentous would happen at the end of the thousand years. But these false prophets started heating up around the time of the earth being evangelized, first by Christians in the British empire and then by Christians in America.

These false prophets are a response by the Prince of darkness to the gospel going out, revival taking place, and the word of God being preached and proclaimed.

So then what is Satan's strategy? He knows that once the entire earth has been evangelized the end will come. The prophecy is in three stages. In Luke we go out to proclaim the gospel, in Mark the gospel is preached in the whole earth and in Matthew it is published in the whole earth. So then as this happens Satan wants the church to avoid prophecies of the end of the end of the age. If the whole church sees these things approaching it will cause an even bigger revival. He wants the church ignorant of the mark of the beast and the antichrist and how to identify them. That is the only chance he has of being able to deceive God's elect. Because of those false prophets the church treats anything about the 2nd coming as the third rail on the subway, something you can't touch. They have fallen for Satan's strategy. The proper response of seeing a false prophet lead people astray concerning the end of the age is not to bury your head in the sand but to educate the church on these things so that they will not be deceived.

 

[ZNP]

I don't believe that those "types and shadows" you mentioned in the OT scriptures, support the idea of 3 raptures.

Revelation 14:4 is focusing on the spiritual purity and total devotion of the church to Jesus Christ. The 144,000 mentioned are seen as a symbolic representation of the entire redeemed people of God, often highlighting their endurance through tribulation rather than a literal group of celibate Jewish men.

The 144,000 are a "token" or "earnest" of a much larger, future harvest of redeemed souls. They represent the consecrated remnant who are set apart for special service and belong entirely to God.
Revelation 14:14 represents the second coming of Jesus Christ to execute final judgment. The "one like a son of man" on a white cloud is recognized as Christ returning to harvest the earth, symbolizing the separation of the righteous from the wicked at the end of the age.
The harvest represents the separation of humanity, (gathering believers first, then the gathering of the wicked for judgment).

The "sharp sickle" indicates that the time of God's patience has ended and the final, righteous judgment has arrived. This is the "fall season" of redemptive history, where the fruits of sin are reaped.

Of course, you have a very general understanding of the Bible according to your opinion. 45 years ago a brother told me that you can't study a book of the Bible until you have read it 100 times. Once you have read the Bible 100 times you will be able to have a renewed mind on these things.

 

[HeIsHere]

No doubt those head coverings will come off with the blast from Mr Ts nooks blow them off . Do you think that and no toilets, running water electric, food will endear those liberated Muslim women?
How is it you, and the my desire for peace abroad and a restoration of stability here surprise you?

Is this /\ ok?

The talking point "we are setting them free" is not based in any reality and completely nonsensical.
The people who resort to this narrative, know very little about Iranian society, economics, geopolitics and spout what they have been told to believe, it is as simple as that.

The spreading of "liberal democracy" is a cover, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan being prime examples.
The flow of money demonstrates conclusively the funding, from whom, to whom.

Not being a warmonger has been become the ultimate evil for the "end times" dispensational crowd.

 

[HeIsHere]

The banner Isaiah is referring to is Christ and the "you" he is referring to is Zion, ie., the body of Christ. And guess who bows down before her? This is obviously referring to that Isaiah prophecy

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9​

Always the OT as though Christ Jesus never came.
sigh.

 

[Slimsumo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2041634797685006411

Aaand Iran won the war. The west is just too weak against men who are radical and willing to sacrifice, something the U.S didnt want to do again. So much for wiping out civilization, regime change and deadlines.

So far the US has lost (with the biggest budget by far) to:
Vietnamese farmers
Iranian terrorists with no airforce or navy
Afghani goat herders

Wrap it up

 

[HeIsHere]

US accepts Iran's 10-point plan as basis for 2-week negotiations. Iran says it's not an end to the war unless all conditions are met. Hard to imagine the US agreeing to this, but let's hope Trump found his off-ramp.

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The settler colony has been asking for an invasion of Iran each year since Ronald Reagan, if not before, and each Pres. has refused,

then we have DT under duress has no choice and gives it a go, but it seems even "the files" have not provided the required leverage

for him to go complete scorched earth, yet.

 

[cv5]

And the conundrum for them?

When in history has this ever happened? Everything has been fulfilled according to their theory.

It's the beginning of the 1000 year reign. Pretrib rapture has taken place and the tribulation is ended......And Israel is once again in the blessing of God and His "go to" nation.

Moreover, Israel has been recommissioned to their original mandate:
as witnesses and preachers and teachers to the gentile world.

 

[Texasgal]

Aaand Iran won the war. The west is just too weak against men who are radical and willing to sacrifice, something the U.S didnt want to do again. So much for wiping out civilization, regime change and deadlines.

So far the US has lost (with the biggest budget by far) to:
Vietnamese farmers
Iranian terrorists with no airforce or navy
Afghani goat herders

Wrap it up

If you can’t dictate where the battlefield is, it’s difficult to win the war. The battlefield of all those wars where decided by the enemy.

As of now Trump has not won the war, and he has left a bundle of loose ends.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Always the OT as though Christ Jesus never came.
sigh.

The unbelieving pharisees and their spiritual progeny don't believe the NT, so the old is all that they have.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Moreover, Israel has been recommissioned to their original mandate:
as witnesses and preachers and teachers to the gentile world.

Are they proclaiming the gospel? If not then whose message are they proclaiming? If it's not the gospel then it's not God's message

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If you can’t dictate where the battlefield is, it’s difficult to win the war. The battlefield of all those wars where decided by the enemy.

As of now Trump has not won the war, and he has left a bundle of loose ends.

Trump will never win the war. It is written that what is most likely China will occupy that area at some point in time just prior to Jesus' return. Everything we're witnessing now is preparation for that

 

[cv5]

The banner Isaiah is referring to is Christ and the "you" he is referring to is Zion, ie., the body of Christ. And guess who bows down before her? This is obviously referring to that Isaiah prophecy

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9​

Augustinian hogwash. Undoubtedly Zion here is the (formerly) disposed, desolate, captive Nation Israel.

Isa 49:14
But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.

Isa 49:21
Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

Isa 49:25
But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

Isa 49:26
And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

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1.) In Isaiah, “Zion” (צִיּוֹן) most often refers to:

Jerusalem (the city)
e.g., Isaiah 1:8; 3:16; 52:1
The people of Israel/Judah (especially covenant community)
e.g., Isaiah 1:27; 10:24; 51:16
The land / restored national entity
e.g., Isaiah 35:10; 62:1

So yes—city, people, and land are tightly intertwined, and Isaiah often shifts fluidly between them.

2.) Where it gets broader (important nuance)

There are passages where “Zion” clearly expands beyond a strictly geographic or ethnic sense:

Zion as an idealized, redeemed community
Isaiah 2:2–3: “out of Zion shall go forth the law”
This is not just a city—it’s the spiritual center of God’s rule over the nations
Zion as the focus of future global worship
Isaiah 60; 66:20
Nations streaming to Zion → more than just local geography
Zion personified
Isaiah 62:5: Zion as a bride
Isaiah 54: Zion as a restored woman/mother

These uses go beyond simple “city/land/people” and move into symbolic or theological identity.

3. Theological compression

Isaiah deliberately compresses multiple meanings into one term:

Geographic → Jerusalem
Ethnic → Israel/Jacob
Spiritual → God’s redeemed people
Eschatological → future kingdom center

That’s why it feels consistent—because the meanings overlap rather than contradict.

4. Bottom line
Zion can be personified
Zion can represent a future, idealized, global reality
Zion can function as a theological symbol, not just a literal referent

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If Iran does not capitulate to trumps demands to open the strait, what will be the consequences of that action on the United States? Why can't trump be a little more humble and stop talking so threatening and braggadocious towards Iran?

 

[cv5]

The banner Isaiah is referring to is Christ and the "you" he is referring to is Zion, ie., the body of Christ. And guess who bows down before her? This is obviously referring to that Isaiah prophecy

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9​

There you go @Journey_man . Maybe you could give your pastor a jingle and email him these posts.
God knows (and I know) that he needs to read them!

In Isaiah 49:14, “Zion” is clearly personified:

“But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me…”

What does “Zion” mean here?

In the context of Book of Isaiah 49:

It is not merely the physical city
It is not just the land
It is the people of Israel (especially exiled Judah)
→ but expressed as a single person (a woman/mother)

So here, “Zion” =
the covenant people experiencing abandonment
poetically portrayed as a grieving woman

Why personification matters

The next verses make this unmistakable:

Isaiah 49:15: “Can a woman forget her nursing child…?”
Isaiah 49:18: children returning to Zion
Isaiah 49:21: Zion asking, “Who has begotten me these?”

This only works if:

Zion = mother
Israelites = her children

So the prophet is using poetic imagery, not just geography.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What does “Zion” mean here?

In the context of Book of Isaiah 49:

It is not merely the physical city
It is not just the land
It is the people of Israel (especially exiled Judah)
→ but expressed as a single person (a woman/mother)

Zion is the believing portion of Israel. All believers in Christ are Zion's children

 

[HeIsHere]

I wonder when the US will run out of "enemies" always new ones coming out of the wood work!

 

[HeIsHere]

Zion as the focus of future global worship

So very, very sad.
Dear Lord ... help this person.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Vance not going to negotiations, so just Witcoff and Kushner, who Iran already said they won't negotiate with. Iran insisted that Lebanon be included in the cease fire, but Israel says no, so the Strait is now closed.