Twelve'r Shi'ism predates the current government in Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Imams . Many middle eastern nations have twelver's in their population but are not the majority. In Iran their are 90 million people and 95% of them are Twelver's. 85.5 million of the 90 million citizens in Iran will fight to their deaths.
Revolution in Iran
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Right but that's why you need to understand the uniqueness of Iran's system. They're not just Twelvers, they go an extra step in claiming the Supreme Leader can actually communicate with the dead. Even other Shia countries don't have this insanity, it's peculiar to Iran alone.
Here I posted these way way long ago, but it's good to do some refreshing I guess. And next time don't leave Pezeshkian and Ejei alive they were appointed to death for a reason.
Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist - Wikipedia
Guardian Council - Wikipedia
Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia
In the book of Revelation we learn that Satan is bound for 1,000 years and then loosed for a little while. So if they believe the 7 year tribulation took place in 70 AD do they also believe Satan was imprisoned for the next 1,000 years and that he was released for a short while around 1070 AD?So then you are saying that Christ is ruling HIMSELF with a rod of iron?
Somehow they think Nero was alive in 70 AD also, even though he died 2 years before. The problem with the heresy of preterism is besides just you know being damned for eternity for denying key points of the Gospel, is that even in the secular history they are wrong and can't even get the Roman histories right.
Such an incoherent 19th century aberration, it is your faulty eschatology that holds to a zero-sum, all or nothing nonsense.
The entire New Testament declines to drive the dispensationalist wedge/splicology between Israel and the church, quite the opposite.
Once again..
The natural branches (Israel of the flesh) were cut off due to unbelief (11:20), and the wild branches (the Gentiles) were grafted in by faith.
There is no clearer picture of the continuity of the believers.
There are not two olive trees, but one, and that tree is Jesus.
I love when they try to premise their heresy on Romans 11, because Romans 11 basically says they're broken off for their unbelief and thrown away like the jews that they are inwardly, and outright states that the jews could be grafted in again by believing in God again, praise Jesus.
Romans 11:17-24
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 ;For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:17-24
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 ;For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Fantasy. Absolutely no witness of this in scripture, and in fact it is the complete opposite of everything scripture witnesses.
Bafflegab from somebody who supposes and demands that the root of the olive tree is dead as a doorknob.
My opinion: you have eaten too many conspiracy theory mushrooms and they have addled your mind and yellowed your teeth.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:24
For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
But it happens in Romans 11:28 they are enemies of the gospel, yet beloved cause of election. There you go. There are elect unbelievers all throughout the Bible, every single Israelite who was ever in Baal worship was still "elect" but not saved. Election does not equal salvation every time. Thats where our disagreement is at.
They already tried that through the Kurds, who kept the weapons for themselves lol
Has there been an actual revolution though? Kind of hard to argue with somene who is going to pop you between the eyes
when you show enthusiasm for all the religious demons to disappear.
Its truly a spiritual battle being fought in the physical. And I do think about how all the nations are going to turn on Israel one of these days
when you show enthusiasm for all the religious demons to disappear.
Its truly a spiritual battle being fought in the physical. And I do think about how all the nations are going to turn on Israel one of these days
Basically what they are teaching is that Christ failed with regards to His people and has to return to get it right.
They are the spiritual progeny oh the pharisees who believed basically the same.
Indeed, denies the efficacy of Christ, His message to ALL people and they make Him a failure.
They are just looking for ways to put a positive spin, they know they cannot win this war and it was foolish to start, kinda puts a damper on the whole "all are coming against Israel" nonsense.
Of course they can be grafted into Christ if they believe. Who disputes that?