Revolution in Iran

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There's not one covenant, and there's much more than 7 too. A big error recurring the preterists have is they're getting all the covenants and key points of the Gospel and the wider Bible confused with eachother and then denying outright the reality of the Bible and then claiming the Second Coming of Jesus and the Apocalypse occured in 70 AD to justify their modern hatred of the jews, their open calls to faithlessness in the Bible, why they supported the literal IRGC pagan terrorist cult committing the biggest genocide event so far in this 21st century.
 
I believe God has one people, those in Christ, the first converts were Jews, the early church was both Jew and Gentile and that is why I know there is not a dual track where one group is raptured away.
I can assure 1000% there is no rapture coming.
Never mentioned the rapture.

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% deity and 100 % humanity.

He is a JEW in His humanity........Israel is His blood.

Are you going to disavow your physical (blood) children?
 
So are you telling me Jesus led an army and slew Gog and his army in the the valley of Hamongog like Ezekiel 38 and 39 and Revelation 19 state?

Now now, lets not get silly here.
Revelations is a figurative book, and it refers to OT events figuratively

return instead to the actual topic of the present day geopolitics and the issue of Iran.

Ok then.
There is no revolution going on in Iran.
Your lying (American) regime has become "Israel's" bitch.

As for the Virgin Bride vs the Mother of Whores. Well I have to ask what your body count is to determine whether or not you drank out of Mystery Babylon's cup of whoredom and abomination

Oh yes, and the mother of harlots in Rev. 18 is modern Israel.
 
Never mentioned the rapture.

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% deity and 100 % humanity.

He is a JEW in His humanity........Israel is His blood.

Are you going to disavow your physical (blood) children?

I really do not get what you are saying.

Yes Jesus was from a specific blood line, that does not make that bloodline exceptional, it did however give a lineage to prove He was the Messiah as foretold in the OT.

My God is not a racist, where one group is better than another, that is almost like Calvinism.
 
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I believe God has one people, those in Christ, the first converts were Jews, the early church was both Jew and Gentile and that is why I know there is not a dual track where one group is raptured away.
I can assure 1000% there is no rapture coming.

I think you are mistaken.
If you are half Jewish the other half of you will be raptured away!
 
Now now, lets not get silly here.
Revelations is a figurative book, and it refers to OT events figuratively



Ok then.
There is no revolution going on in Iran.
Your lying (American) regime has become "Israel's" bitch.



Oh yes, and the mother of harlots in Rev. 18 is modern Israel.
It is not figurative, that's your problem. You don't believe the Bible that's why the preterist heresy and all these other spiritual and very physical problems like your antisemitism that derive from it will lead you to hellfire according to the Bible and the Holy Ecumenical Creeds that define the religion of Christianity. Hence discarding the heresy is the first major step necessary to understanding the Bible like you claim you want to do. If you can't do that then I should think you're not really sincere about escaping from Mystery Babylon the kingdom of whores and all who committed whoredom and that you will simply die in the war still in her chains and go to hell by default. I will be one of the knights of Revelation 14, by faith in God I will be saved and praise Jesus.
 
I really do not get what you are saying.

Yes Jesus was from a specific blood line
He is a JEW. He Is Israel.

100% Physical/human/humanity.

Israel is blind, antagonistic to His truth and hated by the world........

I would watch very closely if I was following the world's opinion.
 
He is a JEW. He Is Israel.

100% Physical/human/humanity.

Israel is blind, antagonistic to His truth and hated by the world........

I would watch very closely if I was following the world's opinion.

Okay.
 
I believe God has one people, those in Christ, the first converts were Jews, the early church was both Jew and Gentile and that is why I know there is not a dual track where one group is raptured away.
I can assure 1000% there is no rapture coming.
Wrong again. There is no "dual track".
All those "faithing in Him" πιστεύω εἰς αὐτόν (pisteuō eis auton) are those who entered into the New Covenant ketubah contract.

Christ Jesus, having paid the settlement price in His own blood, is now obligated, by virtue of His impeccable character, to fulfill the harpazo aka the rapture.

In other words, in this present Church age ALL those who drink the cup of betrothal get "raptured".

1. The Legally Binding Nature of a Sealed Covenant
In the ancient world, a covenant (berith in Hebrew) was not a casual contract. When sealed with blood, it became an absolute, unbreakable bond of life and death. By pouring out His own blood to seal the New Covenant, Christ legally bound Himself to the terms of that agreement.
Because He cannot lie and cannot break His word, His promises cease to be mere possibilities—they become absolute certainty. In covenant theology, God "binds" Himself. Therefore, the execution of the final phase (the Harpazo or rapture) is a guaranteed legal fulfillment of the contract He initiated.

2. The Bridegroom's Return is Mandatory
Under the ancient Galilean wedding framework, once the Mohar (purchase price) was paid and the cup was drank, the groom was legally married to the bride, even though they lived apart during the preparation phase.
The groom had to return to fetch his bride. He could not simply change his mind and leave her stranded at her father's house; that would be a catastrophic violation of the marriage covenant. Christ, having paid the ultimate price, must return to claim the possession He purchased.
 
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Seriously though Sis. The whole world hates or is against Israel.

The world has never been right.

The whole world of "christians" believe we can lose salvation or we are not really saved.

The whole world of "Christians" believe we can't believe on the Lord Jesus for salvation.

Very few believe in HIS Freegrace....................That is a big indication that we are on the right track.
 
You may have some emotional attachment to this created dual track schedule first concocted by Lacunza, but if you think rationally it cannot be disputed that Paul was writing to his contemporaries about what was happening at that time.

Now if you want to treat scripture like a schedule and not use reasoning and logic regarding audience relevance that is your choice.

Until you abandon your faulty hermeneutic of plain interpretation as though it was written to you there is absolutely not proof in scripture that will suffice.

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It does not say “and to seeds,” as of many, but as of One, “and to your seed,” who is Christ.
Gal. 3:16

Now if you⁺ are of Christ, then you⁺ are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.
Gal. 3:29

We are entering dangerous times when one is given a slur for trusting the inspired words of Paul inspired one Lord and Savior who clearly stated "it is finished"

Dangerous times indeed by those with in the walls of the church.
Act 3:21 - Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a prominent Messianic Jewish theologian and founder of Ariel Ministries, uses **Acts 3:21** as a cornerstone text to systematically dismantle Preterism (the belief that major end-time prophecies, including the Second Coming, were fulfilled in AD 70) and to firmly establish Dispensationalism.

His argument hinges entirely on the precise grammatical architecture of the Greek text, specifically the relationship between the verb "must receive" and the critical word translated as "until."
Here is how Fruchtenbaum uses the exacting Greek of Acts 3:21 to make his case.

## 1. The Grammatical Anchors in the Greek Text
To understand Fruchtenbaum's argument, we have to look directly at the underlying Greek clause:
> **ὃν δεῖ οὐρανὸν μὲν δέξασθαι ἄχρι χρόνων ἀποκαταστάσεως πάντων...**
> *(hon dei ouranon men dexasthai achri chronōn apokatastaseōs pantōn...)*
>
There are three critical Greek words here that Fruchtenbaum isolates to build his theological proof:
* **δέξασθαι (*dexasthai*):** The tense here is the aorist infinitive of **δέχομαι** (*dechomai*), meaning "to receive" or "to welcome and retain." Coupled with **δεῖ** (*dei* - "it is necessary" or "must"), it means heaven is under a divine necessity to retain Jesus.
* **ἄχρι (*achri*):** This is the absolute linguistic pivot of the verse. It is a preposition meaning **"until"** or **"up to the point of."** It serves as a strict, unyielding marker of terminal duration.
* **ἀποκαταστάσεως (*apokatastaseōs*):** The genitive form of *apokatastasis*, meaning **"restitution,"** **"restoration,"** or "re-establishment of a thing to its pristine, original state."

## 2. Falsifying Preterism via *Achri* ("Until")
Preterism argues that Jesus spiritually "returned" in judgment in AD 70 to destroy Jerusalem, effectively wrapping up the prophetic program for Israel and transitioning fully into the Church age.
Fruchtenbaum uses **ἄχρι** (*achri*) as a logical guillotine against this view:
* **The Constraint of Location:** The Greek text dictates a strict timeline of physical location. Jesus *must* be retained in heaven **ἄχρι** (until) a highly specific epic milestone occurs: the *apokatastasis* (the restoration of all things spoken by the prophets).
* **The AD 70 Contradiction:** If Preterism is true, and Jesus's prophetic return or major covenant shift occurred in AD 70, then AD 70 must represent the "restoration of all things spoken by the prophets."
* **The Reality of AD 70:** However, AD 70 was a time of catastrophic *destruction*, exile, slaughter, and the dismantling of the Jewish commonwealth—the exact opposite of restoration. Israel was driven into the nations, and the micro-details of the Old Testament prophets (like the global peace of Isaiah 11 or the physical borders of Ezekiel 48) were completely unfulfilled.
Because **ἄχρι** demands that Jesus stays in heaven *up to the exact point* that these prophetic restorations actually happen, He could not have returned or concluded His prophetic timeline in AD 70. Preterism fails because the condition of *achri* was never met in the first century.

## 3. Proving Dispensationalism via *Apokatastasis* ("Restoration")
Dispensationalism is built on the premise that God maintains a clear distinction between Israel and the Church, and that God's literal promises of national, territorial, and spiritual restoration to Israel must be fulfilled in a future, literal Messianic Kingdom (the Millennium).
Fruchtenbaum demonstrates that Acts 3:21 explicitly requires this dispensational framework:
### The Scope of the Restoration
Peter explicitly qualifies *what* is being restored: **"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."**
* The only prophets that existed "since the world began" up to Peter’s day were the Old Testament prophets.
* What did those prophets predict? They didn't predict the Church (which Paul calls a hidden mystery in Ephesians 3). They predicted the literal, national restoration of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, the throne of David established in Jerusalem, and the lifting of the Adamic curse from the physical earth.
### The Chronological Mechanics
By using the aorist infinitive ***dexasthai*** (to receive/retain) bounded by ***achri*** (until), Peter lays out a chronological sequence that necessitates a future dispensation:
Therefore, Jesus cannot leave heaven to set up His kingdom until the time comes for those literal, national, and terrestrial Old Testament prophecies to be actualized.

> ### Fruchtenbaum's Verdict
> Acts 3:21 acts as a divine structural anchor. By using **ἄχρι**, God locked Jesus's physical return to the literal fulfillment of Israel's prophetic restoration (*apokatastasis*). Because that comprehensive restoration did not happen in AD 70, Preterism is grammatically impossible. And because the text demands a literal fulfillment of what the Old Testament prophets explicitly detailed, Dispensationalism is the only theological system that preserves the i
ntegrity of the Greek text.
>
 
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As far as Israel is loosely connected to the topic, that's the thing is the covenants around salvations and Jesus crucifixion which were fulfilled more closely around the 30s AD rather than the 70s is one major covenants and branch of prophecies. The covenants establishing the race of Israel made with Abraham these another. The covenants and prophecies with Moses and pertaining to the Law and nationhood of Israel yet another. For that matter the Apocalypse and Second Coming is also another. That's where a big recurring problem in the side debate digression is the confusion of the covenants. Basically trying to deny the promise of the Second Coming of Christ and the legitimacy of the jewish race's claim to their sovereign nationstate of Israel by misconstruing the Crucifixion of Christ and the covenants pertaining to salvation and faith. And then just outright denying the Session of Christ and the Second Coming by claiming they already happened when clearly no they did not.
 
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Act 3:21 - Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a prominent Messianic Jewish theologian and founder of Ariel Ministries, uses **Acts 3:21** as a cornerstone text to systematically dismantle Preterism (the belief that major end-time prophecies, including the Second Coming, were fulfilled in AD 70) and to firmly establish Dispensationalism.

His argument hinges entirely on the precise grammatical architecture of the Greek text, specifically the relationship between the verb "must receive" and the critical word translated as "until."
Here is how Fruchtenbaum uses the exacting Greek of Acts 3:21 to make his case.

## 1. The Grammatical Anchors in the Greek Text
To understand Fruchtenbaum's argument, we have to look directly at the underlying Greek clause:
> **ὃν δεῖ οὐρανὸν μὲν δέξασθαι ἄχρι χρόνων ἀποκαταστάσεως πάντων...**
> *(hon dei ouranon men dexasthai achri chronōn apokatastaseōs pantōn...)*
>
There are three critical Greek words here that Fruchtenbaum isolates to build his theological proof:
* **δέξασθαι (*dexasthai*):** The tense here is the aorist infinitive of **δέχομαι** (*dechomai*), meaning "to receive" or "to welcome and retain." Coupled with **δεῖ** (*dei* - "it is necessary" or "must"), it means heaven is under a divine necessity to retain Jesus.
* **ἄχρι (*achri*):** This is the absolute linguistic pivot of the verse. It is a preposition meaning **"until"** or **"up to the point of."** It serves as a strict, unyielding marker of terminal duration.
* **ἀποκαταστάσεως (*apokatastaseōs*):** The genitive form of *apokatastasis*, meaning **"restitution,"** **"restoration,"** or "re-establishment of a thing to its pristine, original state."

## 2. Falsifying Preterism via *Achri* ("Until")
Preterism argues that Jesus spiritually "returned" in judgment in AD 70 to destroy Jerusalem, effectively wrapping up the prophetic program for Israel and transitioning fully into the Church age.
Fruchtenbaum uses **ἄχρι** (*achri*) as a logical guillotine against this view:
* **The Constraint of Location:** The Greek text dictates a strict timeline of physical location. Jesus *must* be retained in heaven **ἄχρι** (until) a highly specific epic milestone occurs: the *apokatastasis* (the restoration of all things spoken by the prophets).
* **The AD 70 Contradiction:** If Preterism is true, and Jesus's prophetic return or major covenant shift occurred in AD 70, then AD 70 must represent the "restoration of all things spoken by the prophets."
* **The Reality of AD 70:** However, AD 70 was a time of catastrophic *destruction*, exile, slaughter, and the dismantling of the Jewish commonwealth—the exact opposite of restoration. Israel was driven into the nations, and the micro-details of the Old Testament prophets (like the global peace of Isaiah 11 or the physical borders of Ezekiel 48) were completely unfulfilled.
Because **ἄχρι** demands that Jesus stays in heaven *up to the exact point* that these prophetic restorations actually happen, He could not have returned or concluded His prophetic timeline in AD 70. Preterism fails because the condition of *achri* was never met in the first century.

## 3. Proving Dispensationalism via *Apokatastasis* ("Restoration")
Dispensationalism is built on the premise that God maintains a clear distinction between Israel and the Church, and that God's literal promises of national, territorial, and spiritual restoration to Israel must be fulfilled in a future, literal Messianic Kingdom (the Millennium).
Fruchtenbaum demonstrates that Acts 3:21 explicitly requires this dispensational framework:
### The Scope of the Restoration
Peter explicitly qualifies *what* is being restored: **"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."**
* The only prophets that existed "since the world began" up to Peter’s day were the Old Testament prophets.
* What did those prophets predict? They didn't predict the Church (which Paul calls a hidden mystery in Ephesians 3). They predicted the literal, national restoration of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, the throne of David established in Jerusalem, and the lifting of the Adamic curse from the physical earth.
### The Chronological Mechanics
By using the aorist infinitive ***dexasthai*** (to receive/retain) bounded by ***achri*** (until), Peter lays out a chronological sequence that necessitates a future dispensation:
Therefore, Jesus cannot leave heaven to set up His kingdom until the time comes for those literal, national, and terrestrial Old Testament prophecies to be actualized.

> ### Fruchtenbaum's Verdict
> Acts 3:21 acts as a divine structural anchor. By using **ἄχρι**, God locked Jesus's physical return to the literal fulfillment of Israel's prophetic restoration (*apokatastasis*). Because that comprehensive restoration did not happen in AD 70, Preterism is grammatically impossible. And because the text demands a literal fulfillment of what the Old Testament prophets explicitly detailed, Dispensationalism is the only theological system that preserves the i
ntegrity of the Greek text.
>
Wont be refuted by the naysayers. They lack the depth.
 
you will simply die in the war still in her chains and go to hell by default

I am one of those types that talk about Jesus a lot.
I think I would ruin the atmosphere in hell.
You could just sentence me to the singles forum like you were going to before,
But that might not work too well either.
I am deeply in love with my wife and children, and an ugly 58 year old.
 
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Wont be refuted by the naysayers. They lack the depth.
Surely it is the state of being vehemently antithetical to the restoration of the Nation Israel that is causing their mental block.

Act 1:6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

In dispensational theology, particularly from a Messianic Jewish perspective like that of Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, the link between Acts 1:6 and Acts 3:21 is foundational. It provides a direct defense for a future, literal, national restoration of the kingdom to Israel.
Fruchtenbaum harmonizes these two verses through the specific meaning of the word "restore" and the Greek noun ἀποκαταστάσεως (apokatastaseōs).

1. The Linguistic Link: Verbal vs. Noun Forms
Fruchtenbaum points out that the language in both passages explicitly points to the exact same prophetic event:
Acts 1:6: The disciples ask, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore (ἀποκαθιστάνεις - apokathistaneis) again the kingdom to Israel?"
Acts 3:21: Peter preaches that Jesus must remain in heaven "until the times of restoration (ἀποκαταστάσεως - apokatastaseōs) of all things..."

By using the verb form in Acts 1 and the noun form in Acts 3, Luke (the author of Acts) connects the action the disciples were looking for with the epoch Peter is predicting.
 
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Surely it is the state of being vehemently antithetical to the restoration of the Nation Israel that is causing their mental block.

Act 1:6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
No. The Kingdom of Israel will never be restored. ..................Never stated in scripture.

It is not a matter of if. It is a matter of WHEN.

How can believers not see this?....Oh wait.
 
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I am one of those types that talk about Jesus a lot.
I think I would ruin the atmosphere in hell.
You could just sentence me to the singles forum like you were going to before,
But that might not work too well either.
I am deeply in love with my wife and children, and an ugly 58 year old.
All the more the reason to abandon the heresy that denies Jesus and his Second Coming and why to become a Christian.
Well I'm not sentencing you to the singles forum, just like with the Bible you should read the whole thing and be honest with what it says. I'm saying that or the BDF might be the better section for a digression about Mystery Babylon the kingdom of the whores whose body counts are higher than 1 to testify against their unfaithfulness to both God and man.
 
All the more the reason to abandon the heresy that denies Jesus and his Second Coming and why to become a Christian.
Well I'm not sentencing you to the singles forum, just like with the Bible you should read the whole thing and be honest with what it says. I'm saying that or the BDF might be the better section for a digression about Mystery Babylon the kingdom of the whores whose body counts are higher than 1 to testify against their unfaithfulness to both God and man.

Well now that I have finally brought the geopolitical matters to their logical conclusion, ie that there is no revolution going on in Iran and we have all been lied to, we are ready to move on.

I accept your slight softening of my sentence, and as a token of my gratitude invite you to a free pre-trib rapture.
Unfortunately however there is a small requirement with the deal.
You will need to prove your faith by taking our beautifully packaged PTRapture TM injection.
It comes in flavors of your choice.
Strawberry, banana and vanilla.
Of course it is not mandatory, but if you wish to decline the offer you will have to stick out the tribulation and wait for the next bus.
 
Well now that I have finally brought the geopolitical matters to their logical conclusion, ie that there is no revolution going on in Iran and we have all been lied to, we are ready to move on.

I accept your slight softening of my sentence, and as a token of my gratitude invite you to a free pre-trib rapture.
Unfortunately however there is a small requirement with the deal.
You will need to prove your faith by taking our beautifully packaged PTRapture TM injection.
It comes in flavors of your choice.
Strawberry, banana and vanilla.
Of course it is not mandatory, but if you wish to decline the offer you will have to stick out the tribulation and wait for the next bus.
Yes your denial of the current geopolitical reality is very much tied to your heresy, see the similarities in the cognitive patterns it causes and errors? You are right you have been lied to about Iran, those that led you caused you to err and go astray and so you are on the side of the liars who are trying to run cover for literally pagans that massacred their own people and started a war with America and Israel, just like they misled you to unbelief in the Gospel and the Bible. See this is why you discard the preterist heresy first, then it makes your Bible cover to cover readthrough like real easy, like way super easy, fun even I dare say. This then will have a compounding effect on the study of the Athanasian Creed and the correct theology and understanding of the scriptures so that you can choose to be saved and become a Christian, or have more excuses taken away from you at Judgment Day, praise Jesus.
 
Yes your denial of the current geopolitical reality is very much tied to your heresy, see the similarities in the cognitive patterns it causes and errors?

So here is confirmation from you that Biblical interpretations and geopolitical for many people are connected?
That of course means that this whole time I have not been off topic.

So what then has been motivating you to send me off to all these different places including hell?
Why would you bother to tell someone who has obviously read the Bible from cover to cover many times over before you were in nappies to read the Bible?
What really led you to telling me that I do not believe the Bible?
Be honest, because it is already obvious to everyone.

I pointed out to you that the Gog/Magog references in Rev.20 and Ezekiel 38 are two events with ONE thing in common.
That is not complicated, and it makes sense to me.
If I believe the Bible in a way that makes sense, that does not make me an unbeliever.
The trouble is that it also makes sense to you, and you have so much pride that you can not make an adjustment even that small.

Take a break from moralizing and show some humility for a change.
 
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