Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins
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Rock music is not the cause of suicides. Sure there are bad rock songs but many good ones too. This is yet again this person typing his own opinion and calling it a fact. Chosenbyhim, you need to be careful on who you follow and believe, this man clearly has you convinced but he is wrong.
Elvis Presley was brought up by a very Christian mother by accounts given - who was of the old AOG thinking ... and he was very influenced by her... Most of his life was spend by him expressing gospel music in fact...
...it was when I saw the 2 DVD set 'He Touched Me' - a documentary about Elvis life story, I was quite moved - and developed a far greater regard for that man, then I previously had. Regardless of the hiccups and mistakes he made in his life, as most do --- he was actually doing a great deal in his own way to honour God and present Him to the public and the world of musical fame when you see his life story - a shame his end was so tragic.
From historical records, he had a health condition that his mother had, and had to take handfuls of pills, and one of them that was fatal to him was prescribed or put into the cocktail of medication that he had to take...
...it was when I saw the 2 DVD set 'He Touched Me' - a documentary about Elvis life story, I was quite moved - and developed a far greater regard for that man, then I previously had. Regardless of the hiccups and mistakes he made in his life, as most do --- he was actually doing a great deal in his own way to honour God and present Him to the public and the world of musical fame when you see his life story - a shame his end was so tragic.
From historical records, he had a health condition that his mother had, and had to take handfuls of pills, and one of them that was fatal to him was prescribed or put into the cocktail of medication that he had to take...
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Rock music may not be the caused of suicide but it triggers the lonely souls to commit such act especially the young people who got bullied at school...or having emotional problem maybe inside the family etc...
I used to be a fan of listening with rock music. ive got lots of tapes and cds such as gunz and roses..bon jovi..metallica..slayer..pantera..van halen..skidrow..motley Crue..judas priest...twisted sister..iron maiden..scorpions..u2..queen..gin blossom etc..All these nonsense stuffs might not encourage me to commit suicide back then in fact it gave me some kind of excitement however it makes my heart so rebellious to my parents and at school(to my teachers)during high school. I became a very problem for them. I learned to have bad companies who were also fun of rock music. We learned to smoke marijuana...alcohol drinking...smoking cigs etc..doing all those bad stuffs were like portraying the rock artists like ourselves. We thought it's so cool but it's really not. Until ive got born again and renouncing all those bad habits...i burned all my rock cds and tapes.
Christian rock and Worldly rock are just the same tract. After my conversion...someone told me at church that i could no longer listen to secular rock music anymore but I could prefer christian rock instead if i wanted to. But when i started listening a christian rock- the same rebellious feeling came back when i was not saved so i decided to stop listening rock music wether it's christian rock or worldly rock.
The Lord doesn't need music which irritates the ears and encourages the flesh. We worship God in stillness and in solemn peace...a peaceful music that can glorify the soul and Spirit .
I used to be a fan of listening with rock music. ive got lots of tapes and cds such as gunz and roses..bon jovi..metallica..slayer..pantera..van halen..skidrow..motley Crue..judas priest...twisted sister..iron maiden..scorpions..u2..queen..gin blossom etc..All these nonsense stuffs might not encourage me to commit suicide back then in fact it gave me some kind of excitement however it makes my heart so rebellious to my parents and at school(to my teachers)during high school. I became a very problem for them. I learned to have bad companies who were also fun of rock music. We learned to smoke marijuana...alcohol drinking...smoking cigs etc..doing all those bad stuffs were like portraying the rock artists like ourselves. We thought it's so cool but it's really not. Until ive got born again and renouncing all those bad habits...i burned all my rock cds and tapes.
Christian rock and Worldly rock are just the same tract. After my conversion...someone told me at church that i could no longer listen to secular rock music anymore but I could prefer christian rock instead if i wanted to. But when i started listening a christian rock- the same rebellious feeling came back when i was not saved so i decided to stop listening rock music wether it's christian rock or worldly rock.
The Lord doesn't need music which irritates the ears and encourages the flesh. We worship God in stillness and in solemn peace...a peaceful music that can glorify the soul and Spirit .
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Kerry
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When we look at music, we must look at where the inspiration comes from. Most modern day Christian groups will tell you that they got there inspiration from some secular singers. A documentary with the beach boys and others groups said that they could use gospel undertones in there music and actually have their listeners worshiping satan. Because they are so caught up in the beat and not paying attention to the lyrics.
It just seems a bit strange though,you hardly ever hear the same people talk about Country Western music. For some reason I find that stuff is some of the most depressing music around. That stuff is no better. It's not the music itself,it's a matter of what is already in the heart. Music gives voice to what is there in the heart. The heart of the matter in any of this is understanding how this affects you. If one thinks this doesn't happen with people who have listened to country,classical or any other style of music you are sadly mistaken. Do we honestly think it was country or rock music that they used during the Third Reich or did they use Wagner?
How about this song? Are the lyrics clear? Is the message very clear?
Creed - Petra
[video=youtube;hT9QxwZA5gk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT9QxwZA5gk[/video]I believe in God the Father, maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ His only son, I believe in the virgin birth.
I believe in the Man of Sorrows, bruised for iniquities.
I believe in the lamb who was crucified, and hung between two thieves.
I believe in the resurrection, on the third and glorious day
I believe in the empty tomb, and the stone that the angel rolled away
He descended and set the captives free
And now He sits at God's right hand and prepares a place for me
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He sent His spirit, to comfort and to reveal
To lead us into truth and light, to baptize and to seal
I believe He will come back, the way He went away and..
Receive us all unto Himself but no man know that day
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He is the judge, of all things small and great
The resurrected souls of men, receive from Him their fate
Some to death and some to life, some to their reward
Some to sing eternal praise, forever to the Lord
And through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
And in Jesus Christ His only son, I believe in the virgin birth.
I believe in the Man of Sorrows, bruised for iniquities.
I believe in the lamb who was crucified, and hung between two thieves.
I believe in the resurrection, on the third and glorious day
I believe in the empty tomb, and the stone that the angel rolled away
He descended and set the captives free
And now He sits at God's right hand and prepares a place for me
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He sent His spirit, to comfort and to reveal
To lead us into truth and light, to baptize and to seal
I believe He will come back, the way He went away and..
Receive us all unto Himself but no man know that day
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He is the judge, of all things small and great
The resurrected souls of men, receive from Him their fate
Some to death and some to life, some to their reward
Some to sing eternal praise, forever to the Lord
And through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
How about this one?
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In the Likeness of You - Petra
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Let me awake forever
In the likeness
In the likeness of You
Now I lay me down to sleep
My heart and soul are Yours to keep
I close my eyes and try to see
More of You and less of me
Jesus, I'm trusting in You
So while I'm sleeping
Keep me dreaming
Of when I will awake
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Resurrected by Your righteousness
In Your likeness
In the likeness of You
Men dream of fortune and fame
Making the rules, naming the game
And men dream of things they can hold
Money and power, silver and gold
Jesus, I'm dreaming of You
Take me and melt me, mold me
Until I am complete
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Resurrected by Your righteousness
In the likeness of You
In the likeness of You
So faithful and true
Let me awake forever in the likeness of You
The likeness of You
I want to be
I want to be like You
In all I say
In all I do
More lyrics: Petra Lyrics
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Let me awake forever
In the likeness
In the likeness of You
Now I lay me down to sleep
My heart and soul are Yours to keep
I close my eyes and try to see
More of You and less of me
Jesus, I'm trusting in You
So while I'm sleeping
Keep me dreaming
Of when I will awake
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Resurrected by Your righteousness
In Your likeness
In the likeness of You
Men dream of fortune and fame
Making the rules, naming the game
And men dream of things they can hold
Money and power, silver and gold
Jesus, I'm dreaming of You
Take me and melt me, mold me
Until I am complete
In the likeness of You
Recreated, renewed
Resurrected by Your righteousness
In the likeness of You
In the likeness of You
So faithful and true
Let me awake forever in the likeness of You
The likeness of You
I want to be
I want to be like You
In all I say
In all I do
More lyrics: Petra Lyrics
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What is your point? Do you honestly believe that today's modern rockers are Christ like? The country western genre has most certainly moved toward the rock music genre. Hard to tell them apart except for the lyrics most of the time.
I fear the music is the greatest threat to the spiritual well-being of the church today. I would rather attend a small store front church with no instruments where the old hymns of the faith are sung than a mega-church where thousands are gathered to be entertained. I do not attend church to be entertained by the music. I attend to be fed from the preaching of God's word. I'll take Fanny Crosby over Amy Grant any and every day of the week.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I attend a small storefwont church where the hyms are still sung an then after the hyms we spend some time rocking out to our loving God an then we hear his word preached from a very good christian man.
The whole point goes into who are they pointing to? It calls for testing and discernment. Always has. Not all that say they are Christian are. Has been that way since the church first started.
Non Christians rockers of course not. They never were.
The country western never was any better. (Know that for a fact because my father listened to that all the time,if you think Hank Williams,and all the old time country was all that great HAH) Add to that a lot of them would be singing about cheating,drinking and living a hard life and then turning around with a few gospels songs thrown in.
Where did I say that I go to church to be entertained? Sorry I go to an LCMS not really big on entertainment.
Where did I say I listen to Amy Grant? Her stuff to me is cheap,shallow and feeble.
That's great that you like Fanny Crosby. But I find I range from the times of quiet reflection of who God is to the times I just want to shout at top of my lungs with every ounce of energy that is within me to praise my heavenly Father. Is that wrong?
Or is that a personal freedom that is given to us by God that is neither right nor wrong?
The whole thing goes back to one thing are you doing this to honor Him or yourself?
Sarah you know something, I did not consider the type of music that the third Reich was using during their campaign, I do know for a fact that they used 20th century FOX as part of their propaganda to help in bringing in Hitler's New Order.
And I do agree with you Sarah that Country Western music is no better because it is just as secular, worldly, and carnal like Rock & Roll. But the point of the OP was to show that there is power ibehind music and if it is the wrong kind of music, well, it is going to have a bad effect on people. But consider this Sarah, Satan when he was created as Lucifer, there were tabrets and pipes which were prepared in him in the day of his creation, so he was created to make music. I mean think about that. There is more behind this Christian Rock and CCM issue than at first may appear.
But it has been shown, that Rock music exalts the flesh because it is mainly bass and rhythm. Do an experiment sometime, listen to a rock song for a couple of minutes and see how it elevates your flesh. And then listen to sone nice classical music like Beethoven and you'll the difference.
I know of a brother in the Lord, who said that at one time when he was not doing too good in his fellowship with the Lord, that he had went with his friend to an Aero Smith rock concert. And he said at that concert he could see some of the girls who were up in the front row before the stage, and those girls were just raking their clothes off! You see? It is flesh. Rock & Roll music exalts the flesh. Anything with a heavy drum beat.
And yea; I understand that a lot of people do overlook the evils of Country Western. Truth of the matter be told, it is just as bad as rock & roll and hip hop. It's just country western has a softer beat. So people think to themselves, "oh it must not be too bad" because it has a nice and soft beat to it." But a lot of Country music these days have worldly and carnal lyrics, so yea it is no better than rock & roll.
Well Sarah, petra sure does have a lot of the right words, except where he said that Jesus was God's only Son. That is a contradiction in the Scriptures. Because when we get saved, we become the sons of God.
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. [2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. [3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now if he would have said that Jesus was God's only Begotten Son, well then that would have been right & correct. Other than that, he had a lot of the right words. So the lyrics for the most part were good except where he made that contradiction. And again, does he have a lot of the right lyrics? Sure, for the most part. But still Sarah, he is using the wrong kind of music. I listened through that whole music video, and I am telling you Petra sounded just like the world, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, the only difference is the lyrics.
Plus at the last half of the song, at certain points I could barely make out what he was saying due to all the screaming and shouting along with the high sounding rock music.
You know years ago, before I got right with the Lord, the music I used to be into was Reggae, Soca, and Calypso. As well as Zouk, Kompa, and a little bit of African music ( High Life, Soukous, Makossa, etc). And long before I had gotten into the various forms of Island and Caribbean Music, I had gotten into Techno and Trance. But again, I had to realize that listening to Reggae or Calypso or any of the other types of wordly music was not bringing glory to the Lord. It was not Spiritual music like the Hymns were.
So I also used to be big into all kinds of music as you can obviously tell from a little bit of my testimony, but the bottom line Sarah is that God calls us out of the world's system and to be separate from it. And that includes the world's music. The music of the world.
You are quite correct that it requires discernment. The problem is that we must establish the frame of reference to make the discernment. I do not see this issue as a matter of musical taste. I consider emotion far too fickle to be relied upon. Yet I find rock music to be very emotional by it's nature. We can trace rock music's roots back through Haitian immigrants and their voo-doo cultism. The rock culture of the sixties coined the phrase if it feels good do it. The rock music embraced the philosophy and built upon it. Now we bring that into the church where it is blended into our worship? The church looks to hedonism for it's discernment instead of the purity and holiness of it's Savior. I am saying this in the abstract and not toward any specific individual. If we lose sight of the holiness and purity of Christ we cannot make holy and pure judgments. Perhaps we should consider the possibility of silent worship resulting in greater joy than anything man can produce. Paul exhorts Timothy to be instant to preach the word. 2 Tim 4:2
For the cause of Christ
Roger
WHat a load of cack. Orchestral music has just as much bass and rhythm as rock. I also get more of an experience of "exalting of the flesh" from composers like Beethoven than a lot of the rubbish that passes itself for music in style of rock.
So basically then if the King James only cult are going to get into power they will have to ban all music that is not Orchestral.
Sorry, but the Bible says God's only Son (capitalized) is Jesus, that is true. We have become sons (lowercase) of God by believing in the name of Jesus and accepting as Savior and Lord of our lives. As for rock music killing, lyrics can influence emotions, the choice still comes to the person listening to it, what mood are they in? what is their life like? and other questions.
Acts 5:29
We must obey God rather than man.
This is confusing, you consider music is all bad becuase of "The Beat", yet you are bringing lyrics into it. So songs with a heavy beat that say "Jesus is Lord" is ok then? Previously you said it was not.
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