Roe vs WADE is : GONE......

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Amanuensis

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How long did God permit abortion to remain legal before the court said Roe was over?
It's still legal in many states it's just no longer a constitutional right. We have to keep praying for it to be illegal in those states.

Another thing we need to keep praying for schools to stop teaching our children that it is ok to sin with homosexual sins.

We must keep praying for God to stop them and do what we need to do pass laws to protect the children from indoctrination to tempt them to sin. Jesus said it would be better to have a millstone tied around their necks and cast into the sea than for these people to tempt the children to sin. They will face a horrible judgment for that.

Now we need to be like the widow who kept asking the judge to avenge her of her adversary and ask that the Lord would stop these evil wicked people from tempting the children to sin. Jesus is looking for people to keep praying and not give up.
 

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How long did God permit abortion to remain legal before the court said Roe was over?
50 years.

Since one day is as a thousand years to God, 50 years is as one hour.
 

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A life for a life.
So, in an hour God let millions of the unborn perish?
Women should be put to death for having an abortion?

If that were the wager there'd be no Hebrews surviving the old testament. Having taken countless lives at Jehovah's command.
 

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Cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

So, in an hour God let millions of the unborn perish?
This is not the minority report. God has given us free will and He doesn't arrest us for crimes we haven't committed. He warns us, he warns us repeatedly, we get harbingers of the coming judgement like 9/11 and the 2008 mortgage meltdown.

Women should be put to death for having an abortion?
I did not say that and neither did God. Jesus is Lord, He will judge and He will judge according to the heart. These issues are far too complex for me to determine guilt, innocence, and judgement. I am just a witness. I have witnessed that the Bible condemns abortion. It also condemns rape and obviously if the abortion were done to save the life of the mother that would factor in as well. Also, why would you think that "a life for a life" would only refer to the mother? What about those people who work in abortion clinics, or those politicians who justify this, or those justices who "legalized" it unconstitutionally? What about those corporations that push abortions because they don't want those babies interfering with the amount of work their workers will do? In a democracy every citizen bears some responsibility for the laws of the land.

If that were the wager there'd be no Hebrews surviving the old testament. Having taken countless lives at Jehovah's command.
You can take that up with the Lord at the judgement seat. Are you saying the Lord is a hard man? This reminds me of something the Lord once said.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth



This is not the minority report. God has given us free will and He doesn't arrest us for crimes we haven't committed. He warns us, he warns us repeatedly, we get harbingers of the coming judgement like 9/11 and the 2008 mortgage meltdown.



I did not say that and neither did God. Jesus is Lord, He will judge and He will judge according to the heart. These issues are far too complex for me to determine guilt, innocence, and judgement. I am just a witness. I have witnessed that the Bible condemns abortion. It also condemns rape and obviously if the abortion were done to save the life of the mother that would factor in as well. Also, why would you think that "a life for a life" would only refer to the mother? What about those people who work in abortion clinics, or those politicians who justify this, or those justices who "legalized" it unconstitutionally? What about those corporations that push abortions because they don't want those babies interfering with the amount of work their workers will do? In a democracy every citizen bears some responsibility for the laws of the land.

You can take that up with the Lord at the judgement seat. Are you saying the Lord is a hard man? This reminds me of something the Lord once said.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
When you make a cryptic remark regarding my question as to what does God tally as the unborn babies lost to abortion, "a life for a life", it sounds like you're saying women's lives should be the cost for the abortion of their babies.
Now you're deferring to God and his judgement.

We don't have free will. Proverbs 16:4 tell us that. Though people can abrogate that too.

And if you think people should pay their life for taking a life, you have to consider and address the countless lives God's Hebrew armies took at his command.

The greatest mass murderer in history tells us of that himself.
To deny that is to deny the Bible.
 

ZNP

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When you make a cryptic remark regarding my question as to what does God tally as the unborn babies lost to abortion, "a life for a life", it sounds like you're saying women's lives should be the cost for the abortion of their babies.
Now you're deferring to God and his judgement.
I was quoting a prophecy made the other day and which I posted on this forum. It is a simple calculation based on righteousness and well established in the Bible. This is why Jesus had to die on the cross, His life was given as a substitutionary sacrifice.

You can received His sacrifice, His blood, but by doing so you must also obey His commands. If you claim to love the Lord then you would do what He says.

We don't have free will. Proverbs 16:4 tell us that. Though people can abrogate that too.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

That is the nail on which you hang your doctrine that man doesn't have free will? Pharaoh hardened his heart against the Lord, that was his choice, but after he made that choice God hardened his heart even more, that was God's choice. When God made man with a free will that doesn't mean that God doesn't also have a free will.

And if you think people should pay their life for taking a life, you have to consider and address the countless lives God's Hebrew armies took at his command.

The greatest mass murderer in history tells us of that himself.
To deny that is to deny the Bible.
Yes I have considered that. I have also considered that you are calling God the greatest mass murderer in history (is that a reference to Noah's flood?) This is why I quoted Matthew 25:24, the Lord doesn't deny that He is a hard man.

When I cook I chop up vegetables and I often will throw some in the garbage that others might feel didn't have to go in the garbage. I am the cook, I get to decide what I keep and what I discard. God is the creator, who are you to tell Him what He can and cannot do? Still if that is your strategy for when you appear before the judgement seat, then have at it (personally I would suggest you get a better advocate than the idiot who came up with that defense).
 
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I was quoting a prophecy made the other day and which I posted on this forum. It is a simple calculation based on righteousness and well established in the Bible. This is why Jesus had to die on the cross, His life was given as a substitutionary sacrifice.

You can received His sacrifice, His blood, but by doing so you must also obey His commands. If you claim to love the Lord then you would do what He says.



Proverbs 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

That is the nail on which you hang your doctrine that man doesn't have free will? Pharaoh hardened his heart against the Lord, that was his choice, but after he made that choice God hardened his heart even more, that was God's choice. When God made man with a free will that doesn't mean that God doesn't also have a free will.


Yes I have considered that. I have also considered that you are calling God the greatest mass murderer in history (is that a reference to Noah's flood?) This is why I quoted Matthew 25:24, the Lord doesn't deny that He is a hard man.

When I cook I chop up vegetables and I often will throw some in the garbage that others might feel didn't have to go in the garbage. I am the cook, I get to decide what I keep and what I discard. God is the creator, who are you to tell Him what He can and cannot do? Still if that is your strategy for when you appear before the judgement seat, then have at it (personally I would suggest you get a better advocate than the idiot who came up with that defense).
I cited the wrong verse in Proverbs. Proverbs 16:9.
 

ZNP

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I cited the wrong verse in Proverbs. Proverbs 16:9.
9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

When I play chess I have a strategy, but I have to adjust my moves with every move the opponent plays. I have free will, but so does my opponent.

Man has free will, God has free will, Satan has free will, and every other person on this planet has a free will.
 
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9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

When I play chess I have a strategy, but I have to adjust my moves with every move the opponent plays. I have free will, but so does my opponent.

Man has free will, God has free will, Satan has free will, and every other person on this planet has a free will.
God is absolutely sovereign. You're conflating free choice with free will.

https://www.compellingtruth.org/humanity-free-will.html
 

ZNP

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God is absolutely sovereign. You're conflating free choice with free will.

https://www.compellingtruth.org/humanity-free-will.html
The Whiny Brat defense

That definition of free will is absurd.

Gas prices are $5 a gallon. Does that affect my decision to drive somewhere for vacation? Yes. Does this mean I don't have "free will" but rather "free choice". That is gobbledegook.

If you don't have free will then you are not accountable for the choices you make. That means there is no sin. There are no trespasses. Blame God for everything. This is the whiny brat defense.
 

ZNP

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Proof that you have free will

There are people who teach that there is no hell. The Bible says there is a hell and yet they teach there isn't. Others teach that homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible says it is but they say it isn't. Others say that fornication is not a sin. Others say that abortion is not a sin.

How is it that people can say all kinds of contradictory things, even things that contradict very clear words in the Bible? It is because they have a free will.

Now does saying there is no hell make it true? No. Does saying that sins are not sins make it true? No. Does saying you don't have free will mean you will not be held accountable for the things you have done? No.

Jesus is Lord, not you. In the final analysis the word of God is the word of God and your words will condemn you or justify you.
 
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The Whiny Brat defensehank you

That definition of free will is absurd.

Gas prices are $5 a gallon. Does that affect my decision to drive somewhere for vacation? Yes. Does this mean I don't have "free will" but rather "free choice". That is gobbledegook.

If you don't have free will then you are not accountable for the choices you make. That means there is no sin. There are no trespasses. Blame God for everything. This is the whiny brat defense.
The Whiny Brat defense

That definition of free will is absurd.

Gas prices are $5 a gallon. Does that affect my decision to drive somewhere for vacation? Yes. Does this mean I don't have "free will" but rather "free choice". That is gobbledegook.

If you don't have free will then you are not accountable for the choices you make. That means there is no sin. There are no trespasses. Blame God for everything. This is the whiny brat defense.
Thank you for your time.