Rome vs Melchizedek

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Melchizedek was a high priest of the Most High God contemporary with
Abraham. (Gen 14:18-20, Heb 5:10)

Mel, along with Abraham, existed prior to the covenanted law that Yhvh's
people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy.

Deut 5:2-4 . .Yhvh our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. Yhvh did
not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us
alive here today.

This is very important seeing as how the covenant's law wasn't set up to be
enforced ex post facto; i.e. it isn't retroactive.

Gal 3:17. . The law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward,
does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to cancel the
promise.

Enacting the Jews' covenant after their father's time, instead of before him
or with him, was done to protect Abraham's covenant from his posterity's
curse-worthy failures to comply with their covenant. In other words; no
matter how many times, nor in how many ways, Abraham's posterity breaks
the laws of their own covenant, they cannot endanger the fulfillment of their
father's covenant; which is a really good thing because otherwise neither
Christ nor his believing followers would benefit from one of the promises God
made in Abraham's covenant.

Gal 3:8 . . Scripture, which saw in advance that God would justify the
Gentiles by faith, foretold the good news to Abraham, saying, “Through you
shall all the nations be blessed.” (cf. Gen 12:3)

Continuing:

Rom 4:15 . .The law produces wrath; but where there is no law, neither is
there violation.

In other words: where there is no law, there is no law to break. However;
it's not saying that things like dishonesty weren't sins back in those days
because they were.

Rom 5:13a . . Up to the time of the law, sin was in the world,

Rom 4:15 is only saying that seeing as how God hadn't as yet enacted a law
forbidding dishonesty in Abraham's day, then whenever Abraham lied; God
didn't write him up for it.

Rom 5:13b . . . Sin is not accounted when there is no law.

The koiné Greek word translated "accounted" is ellogeo (el-log-eh'-o) which
essentially speaks of keeping records.

So; seeing as how Christ's priesthood is patterned after Melchizedek's rather
than Aaron's (Ps 110:4, Heb 5:1-7:28), and seeing as how Mel officiated
prior to the Jews' covenant; then just as Abraham wasn't written up for
breaking the Jews' covenanted laws; then neither are Christ's constituents
written up for breaking them; which includes the Ten Commandments (Ex
20:1-17, Ex 31:28, Deut 4:13, Deut 10:4).

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
counting their trespasses against them

Now, according to the rules and regulations of the Catholic catechism; when
people pass away with just one un-absolved mortal sin on the books, they
go directly to hell with no stopover in a purgatory. (CCC 1035)

There's a fatal flaw in that rule. Know what it is? Well; according to Rom
4:15, Rom 5:13, and 2Cor 5:19, God isn't keeping books on Christ's
believing followers. In point of fact, none of their sins of any kind are on the
books-- either mortal or venial.

You know what that means? It means that as far as God's criminal justice
system is concerned, Christ's believing followers are fully acquitted and
100% innocent, i.e. as far as God's criminal justice system is concerned;
Christ's believing followers never committed even one single sin in their
entire lives! So when the archives are reviewed as per Rev 20:11-15, there
will be nothing recorded in them with which to accuse Christ's believing
followers.

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The Publican's Experience

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Luke 18:14 . . I tell you, this man went down to his house forgiven rather
than the other

No; Jesus didn't say "forgiven" he said justified.

The koiné Greek word is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to
regard as innocent.

In order for God to grant the tax man innocence, He couldn't merely forgive
him; no, God had to exonerate him; and how does one do that when there is
evidence enough to convict?

Well, according to the Bible, Christ was restored to life for our justification
(Rom 4:25). In other words; though Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to
obtain forgiveness for people's sins; his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to
make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal, i.e. exoneration; which
can be defined as an adjudication of innocence.

Acquittals are normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to
convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to
cook the books so that it appears the tax collector never did anything bad.
On the surface; this looks very illegal, but from God's perspective it's all on
the up and up.

This is a serious issue under the terms and conditions of the covenant that
Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. The covenant's sacrifices obtained forgiveness for the people,
but the sacrifices did not, and could not, obtain them exoneration. No, a
record of their disobedience remained on the books, hanging over their
heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review.

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Melchizedek is (still) a Priest of the Most High God!...I (myself) refer to Him as the Spirit of God. The "invisible" God, That Messiah spoke of. Fighting battles and wars, on behalf of the Lord God's (as was His Name/Title, designated to Him in Genesis, in the express purpose of IDENTIFYING the "governmental structure" of the Kingdom of God, as well as the Kingdom of Light....anyway) creation whom the "we" (ELOHIM) "Made in OUR image". (not myself....obviously,I'm just punchin' keys here...:cool:) striving in the keeping at bay (if you will), the katabol , (overthrow, or forces still present on the ground, to which the old heaven and earth age had been DESTROYED!...and ultimitely, this current earth and heaven age, to which [ultimitely, again], was/is created for Jesus the Messiah) After, the garden of Eden incident, up to Abram!

Lol...I have to admit, I was kinda laughing at your post, as I was trying "follow" your thought, as it seemed to swing so widely from this way to that way.....That is until I started writing my explanation of what I am thinking you were/are trying to communicate. and finding that it is indeed, very difficult to "illustrate", or draw "word pictures", in an effectual way, of describing that which is spiritually descerned. With such a lack of "vocabulary"
, as I have!..Not by my choice mind ya, as I was instructed to do it this way, so as not to have the certain vanity, and usages of buzzwords that "Preachers of the Sheepskins", use to elevate themselves, in the eyes us poor people!
 
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Q: Don't Catholics obtain justification when they go to confession?

A: The Roman church's reconciliatory process is somewhat limited in its
scope. It's primarily designed for absolution; i.e. while it forgives a sinner's
debt to God's law, it does nothing to delete the sinner's history.

In other words: sinners leave the confessional with their rap sheets and their
indictments intact and unchanged. That's unfortunate because those records
are subject to review at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15 where they can, and will, be used to adjudge people as
undesirable immigrants, so to speak; thus barring them from crossing the
border into heaven

Justification, on the other hand, as per the koiné Greek word dikaioo,
completely deletes the sinner's history; i.e. dikaioo wipes their records so
clean and efficiently that there is nothing left that can in any way be used to
prove that the sinner has ever been anything less than 100% innocent.

Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that
sinners need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping
records on them.

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
counting their trespasses against them

The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee)
which means to take an inventory.

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