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Inquisitor said:
Sunday is not the sabbath day.

I don't rest on Sunday nor does anyone I have ever known.

The Jews were under covenant law (Exodus 24) to rest on the sabbath day.

Gentiles are not under the law (Exodus 24) unless they are circumcised because that's what the law states.

We Gentiles are under grace now and the law belonged to Israel.

You have been sold a dud TMS and your not alone in that.
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Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

We were strangers to the Jews and the Sabbath applied to the strangers that knew about it and were among the Jews.


Eph 2:11-14
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Made both one.

ONE FAITH.

Eph 2:18-20
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

We are all one in Christ... so we should all keep the law or all transgress the law... no divide.
 
Ceph said:
The 7th day isn't an actual weekday, it's the day of Gods rest, where no work will have to be done by anyone. No fear, no striving, no worrying about the cold or how tired you are, just the ability to do anything however you want in pure Godly bliss.
Why do 7th day adventists lean so hard on the particular day of the week being the 'right one'? Is there an actual obervable truth in Scripture that God will condemn someone for keeping a sabbath on a 'wrong day'? Isn't the fact that a sabbath is kept at all a sincere act of devotion to God, even if the Sabbath is a tuesday for some people?
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It comes down to your love and knowledge of God.

Every time God's people disobeyed Him, God was upset.

There were consequences when Adam disobeyed, there were consequences when Cain killed Abel. And the flood tells us that God doesn't just graciously overlook sin.

Gen 6:6-7
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;...

Exo 16:27-28
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

How long do you refuse to keep Gods commandments?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
it isn't about a particular day or one law.
It is about keeping all of Gods commandments because we love God.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
 
I don't refuse to keep Gods commandments. God doesn't just graciously overlook sin? He overlooks your sin when you accuse others of these things. You're not blamed by me at all, but I know what you affirm isn't entirely correct.

Does the Spirit testify to you that everyone must observe saturday as the sabbath day? When you directly ask God concerning this, does He uphold you?

This is also in Gods Commandments:
Romans 14—
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Those men defiantly refused to rest on the 7th day, the day explicitly appointed to them at the scene having it in their mind that they were breaking the Commandment, because they hated Moses and hated God.
 
The one commandment that God said to remember, is the one that most people choose to forget.

Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Most are willing to say that 9 of the commandments are good to keep and that we should all aim to keep them.
But the 4th is different, ? even when God said to remember it and even when there is nothing said in the scriptures that tells us to stop keeping it holy.
 
God made the 7th day Holy.

When did that sanctified blessing stop?

Christ did not say He stopped or change the sabbath. His closest friends keep it Holy after He died. If Christ did not change it then when did it change?

HISTORY states that the sabbath was kept for 100's of years and some kept it longer. But the RC Church forced people to worship on Sunday. The papacy changed it. They admit the change.


Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
 
Exo 20:8-11 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Remember it...
The seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD... not the sabbath of the Jews, or the sabbath of Moses, but the sabbath of the LORD thy God..

It is God's sabbath and that's what makes it important. He tells us to remember it. Why..? verse 11

Why remember the LORDS sabbath day? For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Lord did not need to rest but He blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

When the creation and the fact that God is creator becomes irrelevant, that's when the sabbath becomes void.
 
You can't just undo the faithfulness of people who've sincerely worshipped on Sunday to God.
You're not above those people who produce good fruit, even fruit that excells yours in causing others to see the light. You were converted and edified by people who deem the sunday a sabbath.
I explicitly say, 'people who deem the sunday a sabbath'. The sunday is a man-made invention, and the scriptures don't explicitly say what day of the week it is from creation until now. But it gives men freedom to set themselves apart for God, even as they are able.
 
A man who helps his nighbor, gives alms to the poor, prays for the troubled, walks with God, exposes His soul to the Light, confesses his sins, overcomes the world with his faith, and is a good man according to scriptures wherever he goes; yet is a sinner who's condemned and taking the mark of the beast, because he rests to the Lord on Sunday.
That's the one thing that makes satan win: observing the sabbath on a day that isn't saturday.

Are you sure about that?
 
Saying what's right is better than saying what upholds yourself among the people you favor.
 
Ceph said:
You can't just undo the faithfulness of people who've sincerely worshipped on Sunday to God.
You're not above those people who produce good fruit, even fruit that excells yours in causing others to see the light. You were converted and edified by people who deem the sunday a sabbath.
I explicitly say, 'people who deem the sunday a sabbath'. The sunday is a man-made invention, and the scriptures don't explicitly say what day of the week it is from creation until now. But it gives men freedom to set themselves apart for God, even as they are able.
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We should worship God every day and give ourselves to God every day but it is clearly stated that the 7th day is the sabbath of the LORD.

The sabbath of man is when they set a time different to the Lord. Man made rules are not God's..

God specifically said that one tree in the Garden will result in your death.

God specifically said the 7th day is the sabbath of the LORD.

God is judge and Its not for me to judge people. But the seventh day is the sabbath.
 
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