"Rosh" is not a Biblical reference to Russia!

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Nov 23, 2011
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Rosh is not a Biblical reference to Russia!

"According to certain interpretations focusing on Ezekiel 38:2, current

political developments involving the Russians and Iranians have been

predicted in the Bible. In the King James Version this verse reads:

"Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief

prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him" (italics

supplied). The Hebrew word for "chief" (ro'sh) was transliterated by

the Septuagint as a proper name, Ros.

"According to The Late Great Planet Earth, the phenomenally popular

book by Hal Lindsey and C.C. Carlson, Gog and Magog denote the

Scythians (=Russia), Rosh is Russian, Meshech is Moscow, and Tubal

is Tobolsk. (1) ... To support these identifications Lindsey appeals to

the venerable commentary of C.F. Keil and F. Delitzcsch on Ezekiel, (2)

and to the entries of the great Hebrew scholar, Wilhelm Gesenius. (3)

"These identifications were also promulgated by the old Scofield

Reference Bible:
"The reference to Meshech and Tubal (Moscow and

Tobolsk) is a clear mark of identification (i.e., with Russia)". (4) The

New Scofield Reference Bible is not as explicit: "The reference is to

the powers in the north of Europe, headed by Russia." (5).

"In a more recent work Lindsey interprets Ezekiel 38:5 as a prediction

that Russia will soon Persia (Iran)." (6)..."

"For one thing, even if one were to transliterate the Hebrew ro'sh as a

proper name (as do the Jerusalem Bible, the New English Bible, and the

New American Standard Bible) rather than translate it as "chief" (as do

the King James, Revised Standard, New American Bible, and New

International Version), it can have nothing to do with modern "Russia."

This would be a gross anachronism, for the modern name is based

upon the name Rus, which was brought into the region of Kiev, north

of the Black Sea, by the Vikings only in the Middle Ages. ...".

[pp. 19-20.].

[Foes from the Northern Frontier: Invading Hordes from the Russian

Steppes. Edwin Yamauchi. Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI:

1982.].

Notes.

1. The Late Great Planet Earth, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1970),

pp. 63-65.

2. Biblical Commentary on the Prophecies of Ezekiel (Edinburgh,

Scotland: T. and T. Clark, 1891), vol. 2, p. 157. Lindsey gives neither

the date nor the page reference. I am indebted to Roger Chambers,

who provided them for me in a graduate paper.

3. A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, 20th ed.

(Boston: Crocker and Brewster, 1872), pp. 534, 626, 955, 1121.

4. The Scofield Reference Bible, ed. C.I. Scofield (New York: Oxford

University Pres, 1917), p. 883.

5. New Scofield Reference Bible, ed. E.S. English (New York: Oxford

University Press, 1967), p. 881.

6. Hal Lindsey, The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon (New York:

Bantam, 1980), pp. 67-68. For critiques of Lindsey's interpretations,

see D.M. Beegle, Prophecy and Prediction (Ann Arbor: Pryor Pettingill,

1978); ch. 16, especially pp. 218-219; T. Boersma, Is the Bible a

Jigsaw Puzzle? (St. Catharines: Paideia, 1978), ch. 8; C. Vanderwaal,

Hal Lindsey and Biblical Prophecy (St. Catharines: Paideia, 1978); pp.

78-80.

 
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RachelBibleStudent

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even if 'rosh' is translated as the adjective 'chief' and not as the proper name of a nation...there is still more than enough evidence to connect gog and magog with russia and the russian orthodox church...
 
Nov 23, 2011
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even if 'rosh' is translated as the adjective 'chief' and not as the proper name of a nation...there is still more than enough evidence to connect gog and magog with russia and the russian orthodox church...

Rachel, You're out of your mind. That (your) delusion comes from the enemy of Jesus Christ. God save you. In Erie PA
Scott Harrington Erie PA
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian;616864 said:
Rachel, You're sadly delusional. God bless you! That (your) delusion comes from the enemy of Jesus Christ. God save you. In Erie PA
Scott Harrington Erie PA
 
May 18, 2011
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This is correct, Rosh has nothing to do with Russia, it is the hebrew word for head/ and can be for chief. Rosh, Tubal, Tarshish, Gomer,etc. are cities from ancient Turkey, when it was all Assyria and Asia Minor. Gomer was called the far north. Which scripture says the armies from the North. Now many may have migrated to lower Russia, but no known cities (that I've found in research) even existed at the time of these prophecies being written from Ezekiel.

Also Gog of Magog originates from Turkey. It is his discendants that some say migrated to Russia centuries later. Shalom
 
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Laodicea

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Japeth had a son called Magog
Genesis 10:2
(2) The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

 
May 18, 2011
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You got it Lao, take a step further, his sons were, Gomer, Magog, Tubal, Meshech. All mentioned in Ez. Also Gomer had, Togarmah. Javan had Tarshish. Gen. 10L2-4.


Ham who was cursed, had, Cush, Mizraim(Egypt), Put(sudan), and Canaan.
 
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Laodicea

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You got it Lao, take a step further, his sons were, Gomer, Magog, Tubal, Meshech. All mentioned in Ez. Also Gomer had, Togarmah. Javan had Tarshish. Gen. 10L2-4.


Ham who was cursed, had, Cush, Mizraim(Egypt), Put(sudan), and Canaan.
I agree Genesis is a book of beginnings. Beginning of this world, languages, nations etc
 
Nov 23, 2011
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[SIZE=3 said:
RachelBibleStudent;616863]even if 'rosh' is translated as the adjective

'chief' and not as the proper name of a nation...there is still more than

enough evidence to connect gog and magog with russia and the russian

orthodox church...
Dear RachelBibleStudent and friends:

Please investigate the following sites:


"Rosh" Is Not Russia September 6, 2008 True Discernment
http:/// truediscernment.com/2008/09/06/"rosh"-is-not-russia/

Mystery of Rosh by Ray Ganon
Prophezine - Bible Prophecy & World Events Prophezine Bible Prophecy Today according to this source, "Rosh" in the Bible
meaning (being) Russia comes from the Muslim (Islamic) Quran!

God save us. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

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I agree Genesis is a book of beginnings. Beginning of this world, languages, nations etc

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Amen, YHVH's word says He knows the end from the beginning. Shalom
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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even without interpreting 'rosh' as representing rus or russia...there is all of this evidence...

descendants of magog cover most of the world...but in ancient times magog was most closely associated with the scythians of southern russia... meshech refers to moscow... and tubal is connected with tbilisi in the nation of georgia...which russia seems determined to annex into its empire...

the nation being addressed is definitely russia...

then there is gog of the land of magog himself...chief 'prince' of tubal and meshech...in the biblical usage the 'prince' of a nation was its spiritual guardian...an angelic or demonic entity...

in the russian language the word for god is 'bog'...which is already very close to gog...just one hebrew letter apart in fact... the word 'bog' is now used to refer to the christian God...but before christian evangelists came to russia various pagan deities were worshipped as 'bogs' for centuries...

the two primary slavic bogs of pre christian russia were belobog or the 'white god'...also called perun...and chernobog or the 'black god'...also known as veles... they were often portrayed as enemies but also often regarded as two aspects of the same entity...one for heaven and one for earth...

perun was a god of thunder and storms and a thrower of lightning bolts...like the greek zeus or the roman jupiter or the norse odin...or more importantly...like the egyptian set and the babylonian marduk and the canaanite baal-hadad...

perun was also a god of war...so there is a 'god of fortresses' honored by a 'king' to the far north of israel...where have i heard that before?

veles on the other hand was a serpent god with the horns of a ram...associated with dragons and the underworld and magical arts...sort of like satan...and also similar to the 'goat headed god' baphomet of eliphas levi's occult system...who was inspired by the ram headed god banebdjedet of mendes in egypt...

veles' name is similar in spelling and pronunciation to belos...as in zeus belos and jupiter belus...greek and roman titles for the babylonian god marduk...which agrees with the understanding of perun and veles as two sides of the same coin...

veles is also related linguistically to the vedic deity vala...who was the enemy of the vedic indra...another god of storms and the vedic equivalent of perun... and in persian zoroastrianism indra was the name of a 'demon of shining light'...an association with the biblical lucifer whose name means 'light bearer' should be obvious...

the first 'christian' ruler of kievan rus was vladimir the great...who worshipped both perun and veles and offered human sacrifices to them before converting to eastern orthodoxism...which he chose based on reports from his enjoys who were impressed by its ceremony and ritual...

even after his conversion vladimir equated the christian God with his former god perun and also with elijah who was dubbed 'saint elijah the thunderer'...an association that the russian orthodox church continues to this day...

so russia fits with the regional references to magog and tubal and meshech...and its national church allows jesus christ who in their language is called 'bog' to be considered the son of a slavic analog of baal that bears a family resemblance to satan himself...
 
Nov 23, 2011
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even without interpreting 'rosh' as representing rus or russia...there is all of this evidence...

descendants of magog cover most of the world...but in ancient times magog was most closely associated with the scythians of southern russia... meshech refers to moscow... and tubal is connected with tbilisi in the nation of georgia...which russia seems determined to annex into its empire...

the nation being addressed is definitely russia...

then there is gog of the land of magog himself...chief 'prince' of tubal and meshech...in the biblical usage the 'prince' of a nation was its spiritual guardian...an angelic or demonic entity...

in the russian language the word for god is 'bog'...which is already very close to gog...just one hebrew letter apart in fact... the word 'bog' is now used to refer to the christian God...but before christian evangelists came to russia various pagan deities were worshipped as 'bogs' for centuries...

the two primary slavic bogs of pre christian russia were belobog or the 'white god'...also called perun...and chernobog or the 'black god'...also known as veles... they were often portrayed as enemies but also often regarded as two aspects of the same entity...one for heaven and one for earth...

perun was a god of thunder and storms and a thrower of lightning bolts...like the greek zeus or the roman jupiter or the norse odin...or more importantly...like the egyptian set and the babylonian marduk and the canaanite baal-hadad...

perun was also a god of war...so there is a 'god of fortresses' honored by a 'king' to the far north of israel...where have i heard that before?

veles on the other hand was a serpent god with the horns of a ram...associated with dragons and the underworld and magical arts...sort of like satan...and also similar to the 'goat headed god' baphomet of eliphas levi's occult system...who was inspired by the ram headed god banebdjedet of mendes in egypt...

veles' name is similar in spelling and pronunciation to belos...as in zeus belos and jupiter belus...greek and roman titles for the babylonian god marduk...which agrees with the understanding of perun and veles as two sides of the same coin...

veles is also related linguistically to the vedic deity vala...who was the enemy of the vedic indra...another god of storms and the vedic equivalent of perun... and in persian zoroastrianism indra was the name of a 'demon of shining light'...an association with the biblical lucifer whose name means 'light bearer' should be obvious...

the first 'christian' ruler of kievan rus was vladimir the great...who worshipped both perun and veles and offered human sacrifices to them before converting to eastern orthodoxism...which he chose based on reports from his enjoys who were impressed by its ceremony and ritual...

even after his conversion vladimir equated the christian God with his former god perun and also with elijah who was dubbed 'saint elijah the thunderer'...an association that the russian orthodox church continues to this day...

so russia fits with the regional references to magog and tubal and meshech...and its national church allows jesus christ who in their language is called 'bog' to be considered the son of a slavic analog of baal that bears a family resemblance to satan himself...

That is perfectly ABSURD, Rachel. That's a word trick. Bog and God being alike. I can find baseball
in Genesis: In the big inning (in the beginning). See how it is possible to play with letters of words to produce false results? Anyway, neither of us is a foreign language expert, so there is no proof of Gog and Bog being etymologically related because they "sound the same". Sounding the same is MERE COINCIDENCE, not SEMANTIC MEANING.
God bless you. In Erie Scott
PS Don't tell us you believe in Michael Drosnin's "The Bible Code" books theory? Your reasoning is similar to that gnostic nonsense!
 
Nov 23, 2011
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[quote=RachelBibleStudent;616958]even without interpreting 'rosh' as

representing rus or russia...there is all of this evidence...

descendants of magog cover most of the world...but in ancient times

magog was most closely associated with the scythians of southern

russia... meshech refers to moscow... and tubal is connected with tbilisi

in the nation of georgia...which russia seems determined to annex into

its empire...


the nation being addressed is definitely russia...


then there is gog of the land of magog himself...chief 'prince' of tubal

and meshech...in the biblical usage the 'prince' of a nation was its

spiritual guardian...an angelic or demonic entity...


in the russian language the word for god is 'bog'...which is already very

close to gog...just one hebrew letter apart in fact... the word 'bog' is

now used to refer to the christian God...but before christian evangelists

came to russia various pagan deities were worshipped as 'bogs' for

centuries...


the two primary slavic bogs of pre christian russia were belobog or the

'white god'...also called perun...and chernobog or the 'black god'...also

known as veles... they were often portrayed as enemies but also often

regarded as two aspects of the same entity...one for heaven and one for

earth...


perun was a god of thunder and storms and a thrower of lightning

bolts...like the greek zeus or the roman jupiter or the norse odin...or

more importantly...like the egyptian set and the babylonian marduk and

the canaanite baal-hadad...


perun was also a god of war...so there is a 'god of fortresses' honored

by a 'king' to the far north of israel...where have i heard that before?


veles on the other hand was a serpent god with the horns of a

ram...associated with dragons and the underworld and magical

arts...sort of like satan...and also similar to the 'goat headed god'

baphomet of eliphas levi's occult system...who was inspired by the ram

headed god banebdjedet of mendes in egypt...


veles' name is similar in spelling and pronunciation to belos...as in zeus

belos and jupiter belus...greek and roman titles for the babylonian god

marduk...which agrees with the understanding of perun and veles as

two sides of the same coin...


veles is also related linguistically to the vedic deity vala...who was the

enemy of the vedic indra...another god of storms and the vedic

equivalent of perun... and in persian zoroastrianism indra was the

name of a 'demon of shining light'...an association with the biblical

lucifer whose name means 'light bearer' should be obvious...


the first 'christian' ruler of kievan rus was vladimir the great...who

worshipped both perun and veles and offered human sacrifices to them

before converting to eastern orthodoxism...which he chose based on

reports from his enjoys who were impressed by its ceremony and

ritual...


even after his conversion vladimir equated the christian God with his

former god perun and also with elijah who was dubbed 'saint elijah the

thunderer'...an association that the russian orthodox church continues

to this day...


so russia fits with the regional references to magog and tubal and

meshech...and its national church allows jesus christ who in their

language is called 'bog' to be considered the son of a slavic analog of

baal that bears a family resemblance to satan himself...

[/quote]

Dear Rachel. What you are saying just is not true. The ROC worships

the true God. The ROC believes John 15:26. The Protestants and

Catholics add "AND THE SON" to John 15:26, thus MAKING NULL AND

VOID WHAT OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST SAID. It is an error to

speak against the Church Christ founded. Western Christendom has

changed many teachings of the Bible. Some of the people on this

site, who are not Russian Orthodox, say "Jesus is not God". No

Russian Orthodox Christian says "Jesus is not God". That would

be excommunication from Christ and His Church. God save us.

In Erie Scott R. Harrington
 
Nov 23, 2011
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RachelBibleStudent;616863 said:
even if 'rosh' is translated as the

adjective 'chief' and not as the proper name of a nation...there is

still more than enough evidence to connect gog and magog with

russia and the russian orthodox church...
"Will There Be a Russian Invasion of Israel?" by Thomas

Williamson, 3131 S. Archer Avenue, Chicago, IL 60608

http:// www.thomaswilliamson.net/russian_invasion.html

God save us from false beliefs and of saying that the Bible

teaches doctrines that the Bible does NOT teach. These are

doctrines of demons inspired by traditions of men, whether

Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Nestorian, Arian, Sabellian,

or Protestant, Mormon, etc. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

January 2012 AD